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Stigmatizing Gun Owners
Makes Civil Debate Impossible

Commentary Magazine, by Jonathan S. Tobin

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 12/27/2012 10:28:44 PM

The decision of a newspaper in New York’s Westchester County to publish an interactive map that allowed readers to discover the names and addresses of owners of legal guns is generally being debated as one about whether the Gannett-owned Journal News showed good judgment. It didn’t, but the problem goes a lot deeper than whether or not a newspaper ought to publicize information that is legally available to the public in this manner. The controversy goes to the heart of the entire discussion about guns in this country. No matter what those behind this stunt say

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: curious1, 12/27/2012 11:26:32 PM     (No. 9086867)

This isn´t something up for debate. The second amendment was put there due to the justifiable fears of a tyrannical government - which we have now. The LPs (Libtards/Progtards) pushing to disarm the citizenry are domestic enemies of the constitution and traitorous enemies of this Republic. Every one of them needs a fair 3 min trial and execution - we used to execute traitors, why has it fallen out of favor?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 12/27/2012 11:27:40 PM     (No. 9086869)

....and therefore a Laurel and Hardy handshake to the blogger who published the names, addresses and phone numbers of the paper`s editor`s and other management staff. In fact, too bad they were not plastered on a freeway billboard or perhaps write them on the moon where everybody can see them.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/28/2012 4:46:10 AM     (No. 9086994)

I´d like to see a map showing where every welfare parasite lives.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: pineledger, 12/28/2012 7:11:27 AM     (No. 9087058)

3, would that include 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Bulldog65, 12/28/2012 7:25:34 AM     (No. 9087073)

Email those people on the staff of the paper

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bpl40, 12/28/2012 7:28:25 AM     (No. 9087076)

Agree with #1. What debate?? The very fact that you feel there is room for debate here is a non-starter. Help from our legal experts here. The Constitution is amendable but the Bill of Rights is not. Is that right?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: GardenGal, 12/28/2012 7:29:47 AM     (No. 9087077)

We are military and we were transferred to the first state we have ever lived which is reliably red. My youngest was telling me how, while she misses her friends from the blue area we lived in, she really likes this place better. WHat is the big difference- civility. No one, not even others of other religions, make fun of her Christianity. I noticed another big difference- no deer problem- yes, there are deer, but no problem unlike the blue states. But then all these wonderful civil people have guns. They are very popular here. Oh, and we have less accidental shootings than in a blue area we lived in.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Michaelus, 12/28/2012 8:03:00 AM     (No. 9087124)

#6 any of the first ten amendments can be repealed - or they can just be ignored if you get the right people running things. Today we completely ignore the 4th and 10th Amendments. The 3rd has been ignored since 1862. The 1st has been ignored since the 1970´s and is explicitly overruled by Obamacare´s prohibition of Catholics exercising their ancient religious duty to care for the sick.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rakasha, 12/28/2012 8:04:26 AM     (No. 9087128)

I´m going to sugggest that we take what they have intended for evil and use it to our good. I don´t imagine that most of us discuss firearms with casual friends and aquaintances - not because we are ashamed or embarrassed, but because we don´t always know how they will react. Those who live in areas where these lists have been published may now have an advantage.

If you find out that the nice elderly couple across the street have the same taste as you, or the young couple down the road, whose kids always play with your kids, don´t think the second amendment is just about hunting, consider starting up a conversation with them that might be a little awkward at first, but could lead to a strengthening of your community. Maybe there are people in your church or theatre group that you would never have guessed at. Find each other. Build the relationships. Know whom you can depend on.

Though it´s not what they had in mind, they have given us a tool that we can use to make ouselves stronger. And it might be very important for us to use it in such a time as this.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: M2, 12/28/2012 8:08:31 AM     (No. 9087131)

OPEN LETTER TO GUN-CONFISCATION ADVOCATES:

Will you give up your right to own a gun for protection when you move into your trendy "diverse" neighborhood?

Will you forever refuse to hire a security guard for your family´s protection?

Will you patronize a bank that has no security guard in a neighborhood not as nice as your own?

Will you board an airplane that has not run travelers through a gun-detector as you watch the turbaned men pass through unchecked? (oops, is that profiling?)

Will you send your children to a "gun-free" school in a neighborhood that´s got a history of allowing delinquents to roam free?

Will you insist everyone give up their guns, including yourself, in a neighborhood where there have been armed B&E´s?

Just ask liberals if gun ownership is always bad. Then ask them under what circumstances they might want a gun for themselves or their family. Bet you get, "If there were no guns, there would be no murders", the most easily-disproved statement possible.


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Reply 11 - Posted by: Barbarian Heretic, 12/28/2012 8:46:16 AM     (No. 9087187)

Inre: #6

The entire Constitution, including the Bill of Rights is subject to ammendment. The "Bill of Roghts" is itself merely the first 10 Ammendments that were agreed after passage of the original document.

Tobin is absolutely correct in the column; The Left does not accept the SCOTUS´ Heller decision as legitimate. They don´t want to "control" guns. They want to "remove" them as a means to control people.

And the American people know this- which is why gun sales continue at an unprecedented pace since Obama took office.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: wherewithal, 12/28/2012 8:57:46 AM     (No. 9087206)

There is no room for debate. The Second Amendment was included to allow us to protect ourselves from this type of politician. No permit required, other than the Constitution.

This is what results when you allow the children of Cain to drive God out of every aspect of our lives.

Before you get my legal and unregistered gun I´ll pry your gun from your cold, dead hand, then I will have more to fight you with.

p.s. bring extra ammunition, I will make good use of it.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 12/28/2012 9:13:32 AM     (No. 9087230)

Thank you #12. I agree, except I´m taking the gun-grabber´s gun while his body is still warm. There are likely to be more coming, and I owe it to my neighbors to "finish what I started." (But really to deal with what the grabbers would have started, and likely die in the process.)

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bpl40, 12/28/2012 9:35:48 AM     (No. 9087269)

Thnks. #s 8 & 11. Here is my reasoning. All the ten amendments of the Bill of Rights are in form of an admonition to various branches of government not to interfere or try to limit or negate natural, god given rights possessed by the People. Going back to Jefferson´s comment that the god that gave us life also gave us liberty at the same time. The Amendments themselves grant no rights, so there is nothing to take away. Repealing or ignoring any of the provisions of the First Ten is granting government the power to deny that which is not given by them. The entire Constitutional construct and the Republic comes apart if that is tried.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: janjan, 12/28/2012 9:35:53 AM     (No. 9087270)

Reporter of the Story:
Dwight R Worley
23006 139 Ave
Springfield Gardens, NY 11413
(718) 527-0832

Journal News President:
Janet Hasson
3 Gate House Lane Mamaroneck, NY 10534
(914) 694-5204

Editors:

Cyndee Royle
1133 Westchester Avenue, Suite N110
White Plains, NY 10604
(914) 694-9300

Nancy Cutler
9 Woodwind Lane
Spring Valley, NY
(845) 354-3485



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Reply 16 - Posted by: larryp, 12/28/2012 9:56:20 AM     (No. 9087311)

There is a reason why the Founders set up the Bill of Rights in the order it is. There is not the topic of the fifth Amendment that occurs first place- the right not to self-incriminate. It is not the Tenth amendment topic of the sovreignity of the states in 1st position.
No it is the Freedoms first and then the 2nd -which are the guns to back that Freedom list up.
The founders were and are smart. They knew that every Bill of Rights issue follows from the first two.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: RancherJack, 12/28/2012 10:26:12 AM     (No. 9087374)

#1 for the win.

Not harsh enough, but hey ...



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Reply 18 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 12/28/2012 11:00:56 AM     (No. 9087442)

Like I said before, if we get dis-armed (and by the way, civil war would break out before this would ever have a prayer of happening), then what goes around comes around and the elected big shots and their useful idiots will need to dispatch their security details; THEN we´ll see who´s tough.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: chicodon, 12/28/2012 11:30:16 AM     (No. 9087485)

The problem is that the left does not revere the Constitution except for the parts they can twist into a pretzel to achieve their goals. However, just think where we would be if the Federalists had prevailed and the Bill of Rights had not been included in the Constitution. The left (and most of the ruling class) refuse to accept the tenets of the Second Amendment. It was written ONLY to buffer the people from a future federal government such as we have now.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Italiano, 12/28/2012 11:33:41 AM     (No. 9087495)

I´m not filling out any more paperwork, agreeing to any further restrictions, and I´m sure as hell not giving them up, except maybe a round at a time if/when the need arises.

End of debate.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: joew9, 12/28/2012 12:28:04 PM     (No. 9087582)

Disgusting. They go after the people who aren´t the problem. While ignoring and not even admitting the problem.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: busterman, 12/28/2012 1:30:24 PM     (No. 9087674)

And yet again we have another ´crazy person´ who pushed an innocent man in front of an oncoming train.

This so called ´crazy person´ then ran away.

She ran away.....as if knowing what she had done was wrong.

And liberals call gun owners dangerous.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: peterfleming, 12/28/2012 6:03:33 PM     (No. 9087943)

Simple, just look at those who advocate gun confiscation (control?) , Validimir Putin, Diane Feinstein, Adolph Hitler, Charles Schumer, Fidel Castro, Harry Reid, Chairman Mao, Barack Obamao, Joseph Stalin, Barbara Boxer, Idi Amin, Hilary Clinton, a world full of present and past communist dictators and countries like Communist China, North Korea, all of the Muslim world, and our own immediate world full of American Communist bound politicians movie actors who use guns in movies and who hire armed bodyguards. What a brutal joke on a communist subservient media to see people like Piers Morgan, Diane Sawyer and Tom Brokaw taking only the dictators views.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Bobn.T, 12/28/2012 8:24:53 PM     (No. 9088051)

Sen FineSwine wallows in the Gay Bay filth and wants to impose her Harvey Milk retribution on gun owners.

She is a national disgrace.


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Reply 25 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 12/28/2012 8:39:29 PM     (No. 9088065)

There is no discussion. Leftwingers want our guns, we would be crazy to give them up. You can;t have a discussion about anything with leftists. They lie about everything, especially the motives an character of their enemies - the people who value freedom. America would be better off if we split the country, and the two countries could then establish diplomatic relations. The leftwingers would then have professional liars to handle their end of the "discussion". Our side of the discussion would be "We have you surrounded, and we have all your guns".

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 12/28/2012 8:47:38 PM     (No. 9088074)

The paper´s intent was solely to bully and intimidate. Bullying is something left-wingers do all the time - usually effectively judging from our cowed school and university systems.

This time it didn´t work.

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