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´It´s a horrible, terrible, no-good, rotten
idea.´: Controversy as 200 Utah teachers
to be given concealed weapons
training in wake of Sandy Hook

Daily Mail [UK], by James Nye

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 12/27/2012 6:41:10 AM

Utah lawmakers have reacted with contempt for a planned weapons training convention to be held for 200 Utah teachers tomorrow. The Utah Shooting Sports Council has said they usually gather around a dozen teachers each year for training to carry concealed weapons but this year demand skyrocketed after the tuition was offered for free. The powerful lobby claims that the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Connecticut has been the catalyst for the massive interest, but Carol Lear, a chief lawyer for the Utah Office of Education said that the move was a ´terrible idea.´ Arguing that teachers could be

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/27/2012 6:46:23 AM     (No. 9085306)

How dare these teachers taking matters in their own hands. Instead they need to sit back and wait on a benevolent government plan.

You want bigger signs,we can make bigger signs.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 12/27/2012 7:07:02 AM     (No. 9085322)

A lawyer AND a educrat. Her opinion is doubly worthless.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 12/27/2012 7:13:06 AM     (No. 9085325)

When Philadelphia Police officers first acquired their Glock pistols, there were accidents because the police drew their pistols with their fingers on the trigger. Training solved this problem. Accidents will happen, even on professional police forces.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/27/2012 7:16:04 AM     (No. 9085330)

Behold the mindset of the wimpy kid whose parents discouraged her from learning how to defend herself in the schoolyard.
They grow up expecting rainbows and unicorns where reality never intrudes.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: franq, 12/27/2012 7:41:23 AM     (No. 9085351)

How dare they use common sense.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: FunnyGirl, 12/27/2012 8:09:48 AM     (No. 9085395)

Count me as a conservative who doesn´t think this is such a great idea. It isn´t just CWP training that is needed, but also training specific to an event like that which took place in Newtown. I´d prefer to see an armed law enforcement professional than teachers with guns.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: K620, 12/27/2012 8:24:07 AM     (No. 9085416)

I appreciate your thoughts, #6, but I think the main idea is to let nuts like Lanza know that a school will not be a gun-free (or even nearly gun-free)zone -- there will be guns (plural)-- and his chances of "success" greatly diminished.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 12/27/2012 8:26:23 AM     (No. 9085420)

For those of you who want "an armed law enforcement officer" in the schools, think about this, what are they going to be doing the rest of the time when there isn´t a someone attempting to shoot up the school (which for most of them will mean they will never see a shooter)? There are two possibilities, both equally bad. The first is that they will become lazy and complacent because their job is to prevent something that rarely, if ever, happens (most schools never have someone attempt gun violence at the school). The second is mission creep, they gradually become called on to do other tasks (such as break up fights between students, make sure that kids aren´t playing hookie/don´t skip class, etc). Do we really want to make our schools even more like prisons than they already are?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 12/27/2012 8:30:45 AM     (No. 9085428)

When seconds count law enforcement is only minutes away. If some teachers want to take concealed carry training, why is this any business of the Office of Education?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bloviate, 12/27/2012 8:37:33 AM     (No. 9085442)

Teachers have enough to do already. I don´t like the idea having teachers armed very much. All we need is one teacher who is a little off their rocker with a gun!
Hiring a private security firm with well trained men/women would my preference. But they are only to be there for protecting the campus, not to be used for discipline of the students, searching lockers and students. Discipline should be left to the teachers and police if needed.
Also, if the glass (first of all why have glass walls and doors at the entrance of a school) that this wacko shot out would have been bullet proof, he may never have gained entrance to the school.
One other idea would be have all of the doors and windows in the classrooms are bullet proof with an automatic lock down for the doors with one push of a button.


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Reply 11 - Posted by: hershey, 12/27/2012 9:03:39 AM     (No. 9085489)

Like we give a damn what some zit in the UK thinks about how we handle our schools.

They are so mired in anti-gun feelings they send a man to prison for life for defending his home against burglars because he used an unregistered shotgun....

Zits....

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Daisymay, 12/27/2012 9:09:55 AM     (No. 9085499)

I think it´s a good idea. First of all, it takes time for Police to get to a school if called in the case of a shooter. If teachers are armed, they can handle it in a minute and that will save lives. Secondly, how dumb does a shooter have to be to go into a school that everyone has been notified is armed? I think it will stop the copycats in their tracks.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Grambo, 12/27/2012 9:10:14 AM     (No. 9085500)

Memo to fruitcake:

Half of us are armed; you guess which ones.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: hershey, 12/27/2012 9:12:27 AM     (No. 9085506)

No 8 you need to find out what officers do in schools.You know that old hack about walking a mile in anothers moccasins? Spend a
day with a Resource Officer.

I am an ´armed police officer´ and have responsibility for 6 schools in our district.

Yes, I´m walking the halls during class change and when there is no one else in the halls. My door is open to kids with problems and I´ve helped more than a few. I know I´ll be the first one a "Lanza" looks for and I´m always playing ´what if´ games. I have trained in ´first person shooter´ scenarios as well as all other police techniques. I am a sworn officer, not a ´security guy´. I have full police powers.

Yes, I also arrest kids if needed and respond to questions of all types.

You can call it ´mission creep´ if you like but my job has been the same since I started it 8 years ago.

And there is nothing I would like better than to have several trained, armed, staff in our buildings.

I can´t be everywhere all the time.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/27/2012 9:48:53 AM     (No. 9085608)

When I was a senior in high school in 1973, we had 2 undercover police in our school as a result of race issues the previous year. They were easy to spot because even though they were talking to you, their eyes were always scanning the room.

It actually made me feel better as a student knowing they were there. Having said that, with all of the criminal behaviour and bullying on the part of the teachers in this country that we are always reading about, I don´t think it would be wise to arm them. Do you?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: frenesi1, 12/27/2012 10:45:52 AM     (No. 9085731)

I consider this a matter of CHOICE.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: laotzu, 12/27/2012 12:25:06 PM     (No. 9085994)

I truly believe that when the crapola hits the fan nationwide, life in Utah will carry on pretty much as normal. Don´t mess with Texas? Sorry, I think Utah has greater claim on that slogan in the modern era. I carry my gun on every visit to my child´s school in Utah. That would be illegal in Texas.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: craige, 12/27/2012 2:13:06 PM     (No. 9086164)

Dead school children are a small price to pay, if it means keeping government schools ´gun free´.

Unless of course, you´re talking about children of the Elite. They are always protected by men with guns, in expensive private schools.

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