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left note on his plan,
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Firefighters´ ambush killer
left note on his plan,
had same rifle as Conn. gunman

CBS News, by Staff

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Posted By:JoniTx, 12/25/2012 2:46:30 PM

WEBSTER, N.Y.- The ex-con who lured firefighters to their deaths in a blaze of gunfire left a typewritten note saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people," police said Tuesday. Police Chief Gerald Pickering said 62-year-old William Spengler, who served 17 years in prison for the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother, armed himself with a revolver, a shotgun and a semiautomatic rifle before he set his house ablaze to lure first responders into a death trap before dawn on Christmas Eve.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 12/25/2012 2:58:49 PM     (No. 9083219)

The Connecticut killer didn´t use a rifle CBS but you know that don´t you?

It just doesn´t fit your gun control narrative

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/25/2012 3:05:10 PM     (No. 9083226)

One thing we know about killers who get the death penalty,they don´t kill again.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: youngtexan, 12/25/2012 3:12:08 PM     (No. 9083232)

omg. This is article is so stupid.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Keekng, 12/25/2012 3:19:01 PM     (No. 9083239)

Too bad he was not summarily executed for murdering his grandmother.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Gagolfer, 12/25/2012 3:24:48 PM     (No. 9083249)

2, yes the CT shooter used only the rifle to kill all 26 in the school. That was announced a week ago Saturday by the police and medical examiner. Only used a handgun on himself. CBS is right.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/25/2012 3:36:59 PM     (No. 9083258)

He was convicted of killing his grandmother. So ... how´d he get the guns? In NY? Where there´s strict gun control.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: philsner, 12/25/2012 3:37:35 PM     (No. 9083259)

They had to mention that the rifle had that scary "flash suppression". But someone who was at the scene said he "saw the muzzle flash coming at him", so flash suppression obviously doesn´t do much.
But it is an "evil feature".

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Reply 8 - Posted by: retiree, 12/25/2012 3:39:25 PM     (No. 9083262)

He should never have been let out of prison.


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Reply 9 - Posted by: Dreemaun, 12/25/2012 3:39:30 PM     (No. 9083263)

The only thing this article makes a case for is the death penalty.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: bamboozle, 12/25/2012 3:43:57 PM     (No. 9083269)

Why did he only get 17 years for beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds, 12/25/2012 3:47:16 PM     (No. 9083273)

Flash suppression works to protect the shooter from being blinded. I you´re down range, I.e. the target, you can see the flash...

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Soldiers Father, 12/25/2012 4:36:57 PM     (No. 9083306)

Why did the Conn Police let this guy have the same rifle used by the Conn gunman. If they had kept it locked up the firemen would still be alive. S//

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 12/25/2012 4:38:25 PM     (No. 9083308)

#6- I´d read that the rifle stayed in the car.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Kansas Conservative, 12/25/2012 4:48:05 PM     (No. 9083319)

You can thank the liberals for letting this lunatic free after murdering someone. I would have this guy strapped to an electric chair for what he did to his grandmother.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: fireman28, 12/25/2012 5:18:11 PM     (No. 9083344)

How did CBS discover that Conn police let this guy borrow the kid´s rifle?

Very negligent of police. Someone needs to be fired.



s/o

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Reply 16 - Posted by: flatwater, 12/25/2012 6:19:46 PM     (No. 9083390)

He murdered his grandmother in 1980.

What was this sick fiend doing walking free?

That rifle didn´t murder those firemen. They are dead because some were too GUTLESS to bring him to justice the FIRST time he murdered.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 12/25/2012 6:22:58 PM     (No. 9083396)

Why didn´t New York´s gun control laws work? Clearly a felon can´t possess a firearm. I thought gun control would solve these problems. Why don´t nuts and criminals abide by our laws?

(shaking my head)

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mustang flyer, 12/25/2012 7:02:35 PM     (No. 9083420)

Let me see...this lunatic KILLS his grandmother with a HAMMER which makes it real up close and personal, you get splattered with blood and brains...he goes to jail but they let him out...now the judge here was a real winner with a criminal that kills with his hands and kills an old woman to boot...whare are the bleeding hearts that this loon was deserving to live after this crime much less let him out EVER? By the way, no hammers were withdrawn from the marketplace. The dude was crazy as a lark but TURNED LOOSE and when he kills again the blame goes on the instrument!!! Is this a sick or just overly stupid society??? Take my guns and not let me defend myself and my family from the mistakes of stupid judges? ...try it...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 12/25/2012 7:08:51 PM     (No. 9083424)

#19- Thank you very much for that.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 12/25/2012 7:09:17 PM     (No. 9083425)

CBS. What about those ´assault scalpels´ used in abortion mills? They kill tens of thousands every year. Hmmm?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/25/2012 7:14:43 PM     (No. 9083433)

This Spengler guy was both a criminal and a nut case. He is almost the exact type of felonious character who most Americans purchase firearms to defend themselves against. Spengler was absolutely prohibited by the current State and Federal gun control laws from purchasing, owning, or using firearms, but those gun control laws did not stop him from getting his hands on a number of guns. Spengler was the perfect example of the old saying, when guns are banned only criminals will have guns.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: tipover, 12/25/2012 7:36:13 PM     (No. 9083451)

No 21; I suspect the confusion comes from the fact that it was a Saiga Shotgun left in the car. One of the more popular versions of the Saiga is magazine fed and "some" might mistake it as an AR platform rifle.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Captain Howdy, 12/25/2012 8:25:33 PM     (No. 9083488)

Does it really matter what type of gun he used to ambush the firemen? I think in this scenario, even a harmless bolt action would have been more than sufficient.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 12/25/2012 8:26:00 PM     (No. 9083489)

i assign just as much guilt for these murders to the judges, social workers and attorneys that let him out as i do to him..

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Reply 25 - Posted by: woodsman, 12/25/2012 8:30:44 PM     (No. 9083492)

This is starting to smell....the perp is always dead in the end and no accounts from survivors other than "officials"...hmmm

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Reply 26 - Posted by: uno, 12/25/2012 8:37:50 PM     (No. 9083496)

Thank you all for the logic above. Too bad logic and sanity got tossed out the court room window decades ago due to Political Correctness and lawyers that cash in on it. This sick, twisted sob should have never been allow to live for such a heinous act let alone EVER been let out of prison...period! Anybody with the mental agility of a small plant stand can see that! Now we have two Firefighters dead for little else but pure stupidity. We need to start holding people responsible for turning demons like this loose to terrorize the general public! Now!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: uno, 12/25/2012 8:41:00 PM     (No. 9083499)

Allow me to add that if we can go after bar tenders and hold them responsible for the actions of a drunk, surely we can go after those who would turn something like this creature loose on the general public!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Safari Man, 12/25/2012 8:41:40 PM     (No. 9083501)

Wouldn´t it be a form of profiling to say that people who own this Bushmaster rifle are somehow more dangerous than others? Are we opening up the prospects of other types of profiling? For example, Gays are more dangerous than straights because they often carry AIDS. Is that where we´re headed?


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Reply 29 - Posted by: rocket scientist, 12/25/2012 8:56:58 PM     (No. 9083518)

That old creep was a nasty piece of work. The picture of him looked like "pure meanness".
Why on earth was he ever let out of prison after committing such a heinous crime as killing an old lady with a hammer? Talk about mentally ill.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/25/2012 9:03:21 PM     (No. 9083525)

Just about any man Spengler´s age who still lives with his mother has serious problems. You have to wonder why his mother lived with him after he murdered her mother?????

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Reply 31 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/25/2012 9:19:57 PM     (No. 9083550)

#30: no one would even know he had the rifle because he wasn´t eligible to buy it legally. So, you´re right, we´d be profiling only legal owners who have never committed a crime with a gun.

This man killed his grandmother with a hammer and got out after 17 years. How many people rot in prison for lesser crimes because of political machinations in our justice system.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jimK1, 12/25/2012 10:30:52 PM     (No. 9083596)

The judge and/or the parole board should be tried for murder.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: andromedastudio, 12/25/2012 11:22:26 PM     (No. 9083626)

This guy murdered someone and the GOVERNMENT let him out. What´s with this? You had him and let him go.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: columba, 12/25/2012 11:23:28 PM     (No. 9083627)

I graduated from high school with a girl named Arlene. Later in life she accidentally inhaled a piece of a tortilla chip. She died in the hospital of internal bleeding of the lung.
It is high time to crack down on tortilla chip purchasers and makers. Make it so that items are not sold so that those chips cannot be made any more. License via the federal government each and every purchase of such chips.
These tragedies must stop.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 12/26/2012 1:59:21 AM     (No. 9083701)

Seventeen years in jail for murdering an old woman? Perhaps the death penalty would have been appropriate instead--there would be two fireman still alive.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/26/2012 4:54:08 AM     (No. 9083731)

Seventeen years for killing his grandmother. His punishment should have been death at the cost of a bullet.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 12/26/2012 5:38:19 AM     (No. 9083738)

Well, we cannot hold the soft-headed judges, social workers, attorneys and parole board officials who freed this guy responsible in any way because they´re all part of the Democrat voter base and motivated by good intentions. Thre - that was easy. s/


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