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Two firefighters dead after four of
them are hit when shooter guns down
crews responding to Webster, N.Y.,
Christmas Eve house blaze

New York Daily News, by Erik Ortiz

Original Article

Posted By:JoniTx, 12/24/2012 10:51:50 AM

A gunman shot four firefighters and killed two of them at the scene of a house fire in the upstate New York town of Webster on Monday morning, officials said. Details were still emerging as the Monroe County Sherrif´s Office said there could be more than one shooter involved in the attack near Rochester. Authorities didn´t say whether they had apprehended any suspects, but were combing the area.Fire crews were called to the scene on Lake Road just after 5:30 a.m. The shooting, however, forced officials to halt fighting the blaze, which spread to two other neighboring homes,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: ruready?, 12/24/2012 11:10:31 AM     (No. 9081954)

Please forgive my cynicism, but my instincts tell me that liberals have thrown down the gauntlet to push gun control.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 12/24/2012 11:13:10 AM     (No. 9081958)

Pure Evil.


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Reply 3 - Posted by: Scrubber, 12/24/2012 11:15:45 AM     (No. 9081965)

No. 1, that certainly is cynical. It also may very well be true unfortunately.
I´d give it 60/40 you´re right.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 12/24/2012 11:17:16 AM     (No. 9081966)

so sad to read/hear this news. unfortunately, I´m also cynical...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: horacer, 12/24/2012 11:21:10 AM     (No. 9081970)

Things that once were incomprehensible are happening far too often. My prayers to the families, something like this should never happen.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Susannah, 12/24/2012 11:36:48 AM     (No. 9081988)

This is awful, but it´s nothing new in some bad urban areas. Why gangstas would want to shoot firemen is unclear, but it happens. (Quite possibly the shooters are morons.)Remember during Katrina, when people on rooftops shot at their rescuers?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 12/24/2012 11:37:46 AM     (No. 9081990)

After a quick capture, my next hope is that the dirtbag doesn´t survive the arrest process..

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Reply 8 - Posted by: bubby, 12/24/2012 11:40:39 AM     (No. 9081995)

I wonder if the firefighters were white and shooters were black. I´m just curious. If so we will never know due to the msm hiding black on white attacks. If it was reversed it would be front page headline material.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: spahrkl, 12/24/2012 11:50:26 AM     (No. 9082011)

I have some first hand knowledge in this area and I can tell you assults such as this is NOT reported by the MSM. Also the number of criminal acts, conducted by a certain group are not reported and if so some are reported under categories that do not discribe in incident by the law departments and again the MSM.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Italiano, 12/24/2012 11:51:12 AM     (No. 9082012)

During LA riots, going back to Watts in 1965, firefighters are routinely used for target practice by the local gentry.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: snowcloud, 12/24/2012 11:52:16 AM     (No. 9082015)

#1, that was my knee-jerk reaction as well.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/24/2012 11:52:52 AM     (No. 9082017)

If this turns out to be a lefty anarchist or union activist trying to get firemen higher pay, is there any chance the MSM will report that?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Salt5792, 12/24/2012 11:55:39 AM     (No. 9082021)

The shooter must not have been white, otherwise the MSM would have said so.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/24/2012 12:02:40 PM     (No. 9082033)

My first thought was that the shooter is also the arsonist.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable, 12/24/2012 12:03:46 PM     (No. 9082034)

This is a Volunteer Department, these were my Brothers who died...I am a 22 year proud Firefighter and Captain of our Fire Police...this is horrible development..

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Freeloader, 12/24/2012 12:05:27 PM     (No. 9082036)

Re #6..."Why gangstas would want to shoot firemen is unclear..."

Have you ever listened to the lyrics of present-day "rap music"?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: chumley, 12/24/2012 12:08:35 PM     (No. 9082044)

Like I´ve said before, evil is on the march like we have not seen in a very long time. It is not finished.
The worst thing we can do is allow ourselves to be made defenseless. We all know that is part of evil´s plan.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: DaddyO, 12/24/2012 12:22:36 PM     (No. 9082061)

When they find the scum, what chance do you suppose he possessed the gun illegally, which any number of new laws would not have prevented? And will the media report such developments?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 12/24/2012 12:27:46 PM     (No. 9082073)

This article ends with the reminder about Newtown.
Another article about this fire from the AP ended with a reminder of the violence in this small community last December.
A 15-year-old boy in Webster doused his home with gasoline and set it ablaze, killing his father
and two brothers, 16 and 12.
His mother and 13-year-old sister escaped with injuries.
He is being prosecuted as an adult.
In large groups now, I look at all the young males with suspicion.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: Dante, 12/24/2012 12:33:10 PM     (No. 9082087)

Shooting at firefighters was a frequent occurrence in South Central LA in the past. It was explained as a response to ´them´ entering ´our turf´.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: smcchk, 12/24/2012 12:34:04 PM     (No. 9082088)

There is a bitter, evil zeitgeist in this land right now. I fear it will get worse.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: JAN, 12/24/2012 12:41:57 PM     (No. 9082105)

Remembering back to the Dinkins era, this was quite common. The firefighters would be shot at and in one case a dirtbag scum threw a cinderblock down on the fire truck killing a firefighter.

Slimy lawyering got killer out of jail. He had run off to Dominican Republic. We got him back. The slimy lawyer was Barry Scheck´s partner.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Susannah, 12/24/2012 12:46:45 PM     (No. 9082110)

Fox is reporting that this was a trap, apparently to lure the firemen to the scene. The gunman is dead, although whether shot by a police officer or self-inflicted is unknown.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/24/2012 12:52:39 PM     (No. 9082119)

Oakland is an example of a town where this kind of thing regularly happens. A lot of rough spots have seen this kind of thing. This is not new.

Naturally, the media wants to rush out the first rumors of the incident before any specifics are known. Get everyone freaked out: "guns! guns! guns!" and then, when they find out specific demographics and such ... story´s gone. But the initial reaction remains with the emotionalist puppets.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: 4Justice, 12/24/2012 12:55:14 PM     (No. 9082126)

Yes evil is everywhere now. I am twlling you that mass media glorification of evil is making things a LOT worse. While certain groups are being affected worse than others (yes, I concede that there is a lot more violence among blacks and other people of color these days), it does seem to be mostly prevalent among younger males of all races.

However, with regard to this incident, my first instinct was that the shooter(s) was the arsonist as #15 said.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 12/24/2012 12:56:56 PM     (No. 9082127)

#11 and #21 should cite evidence for what is certainly an urban myth...34 Blacks died in the Watts riots...there were reports some firefighter crews were blocked from fires...my son rose through the ranks of the LAFD over two decades, from his first station assignment in Watts, and didn´t experience being fired upon...ditto his wife, a LAPD sargeant...SOP is for firefighters and EMS roll with LAPD during a riot and even to delay approaches to the every day crime scene until it´s cleared...

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Reply 27 - Posted by: 4Justice, 12/24/2012 12:58:47 PM     (No. 9082130)

telling...not twlling. It is hard typing on a phone. So, it was a set-up/ambush. It figures.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: tyshab, 12/24/2012 1:08:54 PM     (No. 9082144)

Webster is along the northwest edge of the state of NY. As of the 2000 census it was primarily (94.9%) white. Median income in 2000 was $58,000.



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Reply 29 - Posted by: bubby, 12/24/2012 1:14:55 PM     (No. 9082156)

Watts Riot 1965

http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_watts_rebellion_los_angeles_1965/

FTA "Firemen attempting to put out blazes were shot at by residents, and looting was rampant."

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Reply 30 - Posted by: jorgecito, 12/24/2012 1:19:07 PM     (No. 9082167)

I predict this will turn out to be a disgruntled person - perhaps someone who wanted to be a fireman, but was rejected, or expelled from the group.

Either that, or the shooter had a personal grudge against one of the firemen, and everything else was collateral damage.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 12/24/2012 1:47:33 PM     (No. 9082193)

Clearly the link noted in #30 is not the most definitive, because that’s where I went to obtain the MLK, Jr. quote about 34 Blacks dieing which is not correct…Among the 34 was a White firefighter who died when a wall collapsed while fighting a blaze and an officer who was accidentally shot by another officer…

http://www.lafire.com/lastalarm_file/1965-0814_Tilson/WarrenTilson.htm

John McCone headed the post riot commission and it IS definitive…met this good man and former CIA director in the late 60’s in his capacity as a member of LA’s Committee of 25 which effectively ran every component of SoCal public life…McCone elected to focus on Blacks

http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/cityinstress/mccone/part4.html


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Reply 32 - Posted by: NYbob, 12/24/2012 2:21:42 PM     (No. 9082233)

It is reported that ONE shooter is dead at the scene. It may or not be related, but I´m guessing that the shooter is the same guy who was tried, convicted and served 17 years for the manslaughter murder of his grandmother who owned one of the houses that burned. The convict was released in the 1990s. Two of the 4 houses were owned by his family. I don´t think anyone was shot with a handgun. No description of the weapon used, yet.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Italiano, 12/24/2012 2:56:39 PM     (No. 9082265)

#27 / #32, if the reporting at the time was wrong, it was wrong.

There´s a shock.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: 4Justice, 12/24/2012 3:24:44 PM     (No. 9082294)

#25, I know Oakland very well. I spent many years there. I would like to see your sources for these instances that allegedly "regularly happen". I have never heard that before.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/24/2012 3:29:05 PM     (No. 9082299)

Chances are the shooter was another crazy person who was perpetrating as much criminal activity and havoc as possible, while he himself was on a suicide mission.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Susannah, 12/24/2012 3:32:39 PM     (No. 9082302)

His name was William Spangler. He lived in the house with his sister, who has not been accounted for. He set the house and a car afire to lure the firefighters there. His body was found on the lake shore; he had shot himself to death.

It´s unknown why he wanted to ambush the firemen.

Spangler has a long criminal record; he was convicted of murdering his grandmother in 1980.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: juststop, 12/24/2012 3:36:04 PM     (No. 9082310)

#35 I lived in the Oakland Hills for one year. These things regularly happened. Every single day if the week some one was shot. We stayed away from the downtown area.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: troutgreen, 12/24/2012 4:05:11 PM     (No. 9082332)

Where´s the outrage over the ease with which Americans can purchase as many hammers as they want? This insane shooter beat his own mother to death with a hammer several years ago. If he had not been able to get his hands on a hammer, his mother would be alive today.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Bill O Rights, 12/24/2012 4:46:04 PM     (No. 9082354)

The sad irony is that the media´s 24/7 coverage of these events is actually feeding them. These nut jobs are counting on lots of media coverage. If the media spent less time publicizing these events trying to pursue their anti-gun agenda, my guess is that we would see fewer of these events.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: terryh03, 12/24/2012 4:49:55 PM     (No. 9082355)

This reminds me of the race riots of the late 60´s in Cleveland, Ohio. This is what the blacks did back then.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 12/24/2012 7:08:09 PM     (No. 9082475)

Bottom line is the shooter is quite White...Photo: http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-shoots-firefighters-kills-trap-webster-ny-blaze/story?id=18055594


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Reply 42 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/24/2012 8:52:30 PM     (No. 9082556)

Why was the perpetrator out running around after being convicted of murdering his grandmother by repeatedly hitting her in the head with a hammer?

He has already smelled human blood. If he were a bear in the wild and killed a human, they would have hunted him down and killed him on sight. I am not advocating that, but it is obvious that the perpetrator here was a dangerous mental case, he should have been locked up for life.

They say that they can´t find his sister, unfortunately she is probably a murder victim and burnt up in the remains of the house.

Since this perpetrator is a convicted felon and is crazy, the law says that he is prohibited from possessing firearms, but criminals don´t obey the law. The perpetrator here is exactly the type of person that law abiding people have firearms to protect themselves from.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/25/2012 12:56:07 AM     (No. 9082673)

This is another case of the mentally ill killing someone with a gun, yet it will be blamed on the lack of gun control.

Nothing stopped him from obtaining a gun- because legally he could not get a gun permit.

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