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Pope Benedict denounces gay marriage
during his annual Christmas message

New York Daily News, by Carol Kuruvilla

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 12/22/2012 9:06:30 PM

Pope Benedict used his annual Christmas message to denounce gay marriage, saying that it destroyed the “essence of the human creature.” In one of his most important speeches of the year, the Pope stressed that a person’s gender identity is God-given and unchangeable. As a result, he sees gay marriage as a “manipulation of nature.” "People dispute the idea that they have a nature, given to them by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being," he said at the Vatican on Friday. "They deny their nature and decide that it is not something

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My Pope sends a clear message to the Faithful and smacks 0bama with a spiritual punch. Interesting message to give on Christmas.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: southron, 12/22/2012 9:16:31 PM     (No. 9079976)

We should be thankful we have this Pope. Few if any of other leaders will speak out.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: sunsong, 12/22/2012 9:18:44 PM     (No. 9079979)

Sorry to see the Pope place himself on the wrong side of human rights and history. But I guess it takes a person of vision to see beyond this day.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: 3rdjerseyman, 12/22/2012 9:22:49 PM     (No. 9079982)

Gay marriage is an impossibility. It may be something, but it can´t be marriage. Calling fire water won´t make it wet. If you want electricity you can´t get it...well you figure it out.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: pinkpanther, 12/22/2012 9:25:13 PM     (No. 9079983)

#2 They have the same rights as everyone else, what they want is SPECIAL rights! There is nothing visionary about sodomy or trying to change the very definition of an ancient institution. This Pope is a man of vision, holiness and courage to say what he said....just because YOU don´t agree with him doesn´t mean he´s wrong.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: snowcloud, 12/22/2012 9:28:30 PM     (No. 9079986)

Good for him. God bless him.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: lavalette, 12/22/2012 9:32:56 PM     (No. 9079989)

The Pope speaks sense to a sensual world.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: synchronicity, 12/22/2012 9:39:43 PM     (No. 9079992)

Looks like he´s decided there are things more important than the Nobel peace prize - good for him!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/22/2012 10:07:40 PM     (No. 9080007)

Thank you, B16!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: tedinmich, 12/22/2012 10:13:39 PM     (No. 9080010)

#2-You sound like one of those no nothing obama voters!

Ted in Michigan

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Reply 10 - Posted by: hot coffee, 12/22/2012 10:17:27 PM     (No. 9080012)

We Catholics appreciate this message. However, when the Pope starting eating a Chick-fil-A sandwich right after Mass, even I thought that was a little over the top.

(Just kidding. I doubt Romans have enough good taste to have a Chick-fil-A store)

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Reply 11 - Posted by: anonymous, 12/22/2012 10:29:11 PM     (No. 9080020)

I think gay marriage is more a manipulation of words than a manipulation of nature. Consequently, you´ve got a culture war going on that is at least as much about words as it is about homosexuality.

If anything, homosexuality in general is a reflection of nature and not a polar opposite to it. It exists right throughout the animal kingdom.

As to the Pope´s message, I think the Pope is trying to make an argument against homosexuality in general rather than gay marriage specifically. He also seems to bring gender into the discussion, the point being that the duty of the genders is to unite and procreate. Not even an ardent gay activist would deny this but my point is that it is cruel to expect a person who is exclusively oriented to the same sex to abide by behavior that goes completely against that which is normal for him or her.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Gretchen, 12/22/2012 10:39:49 PM     (No. 9080024)

A good part of the Pope´s message, which was wise beyond the world´s knowing, was that one´s sex is not something that can be made or unmade by man. I believe he is addressing the transgender issue, getting to the core of existing as a human being versus human doing.

Likewise, homosexuality is disordered precisely because it goes against the natural order as created by God.

The man is a theological genius, as well as a good and holy Pope. I wish him God´s blessing for Christmas and the New Year.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/22/2012 11:32:46 PM     (No. 9080083)

#2 & 13, religious leadership doesn´t come from reading polls. And I guarantee that the Pope is not coordinating with the GOP. Therefore his position can´t cause damage to the GOP. Also, I´d be willing to believe that the strongest supporters of gay marriage do not believe in God and therefore feel religious liberty is unimportant.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: DocH, 12/22/2012 11:47:41 PM     (No. 9080090)

"The wrong side of history?" Oh, please, give us all a break. Warmed-over, quasi-digested and regurgitated Marxism vs. obedience to the One who created us? That does, however, present the choice fairly. Trust man, or trust God. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: smcchk, 12/23/2012 12:26:53 AM     (No. 9080111)

Sorry, #2, for being insulted by some for expressing your opinion. I am never sure why tolerance for homosexuality makes some people crazy? Homosexuality is a part of someone´s nature as much as heterosexuality is. I respect Pope Benedict but I disagree with this stance.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: columba, 12/23/2012 12:30:02 AM     (No. 9080113)

Denounce is a typical emotion-tugging headline word. The Pope actually said:

the Pope stressed that a person’s gender identity is God-given and unchangeable. As a result, he sees gay marriage as a “manipulation of nature.”

"People dispute the idea that they have a nature, given to them by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being," "They deny their nature and decide that it is not something previously given to them, but that they make it for themselves."

Some people these days even refuse to label their children "boy" or "girl" so as to not "force stereotypes" on them. This is crazy.

Benedict XVI speaks a welcome piece of Truth.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: realrep, 12/23/2012 1:23:27 AM     (No. 9080142)

It looks like the Pope understands Romans 1.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: miceal, 12/23/2012 6:23:19 AM     (No. 9080236)

He placed a "line in the sand." I admire him for his stance....

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Reply 19 - Posted by: knowThem, 12/23/2012 6:42:12 AM     (No. 9080245)

Thank you papa. Today there is not that many brave enough to say it loud and clear. He has my prayers and of my household. This is the last stance of the Western World Christianity and the brainwashed masses can shout all they want I know w/ Whom I stand in that battle.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Judith, 12/23/2012 6:50:51 AM     (No. 9080252)

Well, this should certainly set them off. Wonder what MORE they can do to the Catholic church to destroy it? I´m sure we will find out shortly.
As for the argument about being born a certain way? That argument can apply to a wide variety of behaviors (choices, if you will)that are not healthy for our society. And according to people that study these things, the family unit is essential to a healthy culture. Some parody of that (including ALL the ex-wives, ex-husbands, step-parents and ennumerable half-siblings, and this farce of gay marriage)is destructive. And ALL are choices.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: bmw50, 12/23/2012 7:12:28 AM     (No. 9080274)

Our Creator determines what is right and wrong, not to limit mankind, but to liberate mankind and for the betterment of mankind.
This is gone on from before Adam and Eve when Satan said he will be like God. When men or women think they know better, what is right and wrong, ignoring the values and moral standard handed to us by God through scripture, they are thinking just like Satan and will fall just like Satan, individually and collectively as a culture and nation.
Marriage is an institution created by God, defined by God, for mankind, who do people think they are that they can re-define it?
Homosexuality is a perversion of the relationship that God reserved for marriage. It is a relationship based on lust not love. It will never be marriage. It can´t be equal with heterosexual marriage, it can´t reproduce itself. It must rely on heterosexual relationships to give them children. It destroys heterosexual marriage because it is based solely on sex (which destroys heterosexual marriages). It is destructive to humanity since it can´t reproduce (the human race would cease to exist in less the 50 years). It has been destructive to free speech because the gay movement won´t discuss the issue, they get their way by claiming the opposition is homophobic. It divides and destroys societies, because they classify people as bigots, racists, narrow minded and hateful; when they are not. It elevates the gay above heterosexuals because they believe their opinion is better and is all that matters.

The Pope is right.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Rinktum, 12/23/2012 7:36:23 AM     (No. 9080293)

When man is the arbitrator of what is right and what is wrong we live in chaos as the "absolutes" are ever changing. This thinking began in the garden with Adam and Eve and continues to this day. What seems "right" to man is not always right in the eyes of God. At this special time of the year we are reminded that God sent His son and by our faith in Him, we are made right with God; not because of anything we could ever do but by merely accepting the gift of God through faith.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 12/23/2012 7:42:26 AM     (No. 9080299)

Billy Graham´s Christmas Prayer said the same thing... God bless these still courageous gentlemen.

Above poster is correct, it started in Heaven...

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Reply 24 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/23/2012 7:59:58 AM     (No. 9080318)

Yes, #13- it is also said that more Americans voted for Obama than Romney. I don´t believe that, either.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: LZK, 12/23/2012 8:15:25 AM     (No. 9080341)

I like the Pope´s thinking and message.....

BUT -- many will scream "bigot" -- soooooooo I say -- "let God sort it out"...

Someday when these people stand before their Maker -- they will be "surprised"....

The homo/sexuals are looking for approval. I´m so sick to death of it all -- blah/blah/blah.... I understand in California anyone can perform a wedding ceremony. So -- have at it -- do your dance and say the words and shut up already.

LZK

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Reply 26 - Posted by: treyb, 12/23/2012 8:32:10 AM     (No. 9080370)

American Catholics no longer listen to directives from the Vatican unless it is convenient.

This is a good thing.

Once the Pope gets done making another meaningless speech, perhaps he will take time to meet with the victims of the horrendous sex abuse that he has helped to cover up.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: NancyD, 12/23/2012 8:36:23 AM     (No. 9080379)

I agree with the Pope and I´m so glad that someone has finally spoken up.

In God´s vision, male and female were created to procreate. Two men or Two women cannot do that without retrieving something from the opposite sex.

It´s all a farce, a distortion of the human being to contort to their "feelings" or "wants".

If they can´t "have" what they want, we´re considered intolerant.

Even though THEY are wrong.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: OhMy, 12/23/2012 8:37:15 AM     (No. 9080381)

This brings up a practice of most churches in relation to the state. When a marriage occurs records are sent in to the state to register the marriage with the state. I believe this practice should be stopped the minute gay marriage becomes legal in any jurisdiction. The minister should only give the couple the address/phone # of the govt registrar and leave it up to them to fill out those papers. The Church ceremony would be recognizing the marriage in the Church community only. The state has become an unreliable partner in upholding the sanctity of marriage. Their standards for marriage, divorce, and common law relationships are all lax. Any sense of commitment is gone. All they really do is increase the taxes on the married couple. Since they do not believe marriage is anything important it is just an excuse to raise taxes on people who still uphold something important. The gays can and should go into a govt office and apply for higher taxes and leave the churches alone!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 12/23/2012 9:26:14 AM     (No. 9080453)

The Holy Scriptures denounce and warn against engaging in homosexuality.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: jorgecito, 12/23/2012 10:00:32 AM     (No. 9080517)

#11, you started out well with "gay marriage is more a manipulation of words" ... however you lost me with your last statement. No one who adheres to the traditional meaning of the word "marriage," including the pope, is being "cruel," nor forcing anyone to do anything.

But back to word manipulation: This is a long-time tactic of the Left --to change the very meaning of commonly understood words.

The Left accomplishes this through constant repetition in the media, and totalitarian tactics.

When we think about the Left´s attempt to change the very meaning of the word "marriage," we should remember Orwell´s Ministry of Truth:
"WAR IS PEACE." "FREEDOM IS SLAVERY." "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."
And 2 + 2 = 5, if Big Brother media and government insist it must be so.


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Reply 31 - Posted by: planetgeo, 12/23/2012 10:26:21 AM     (No. 9080564)

The origins of "marriage" pre-date any organized religion. Primitive societies understood the societal values of recognizing the bond between a particular man and a particular woman. And it had nothing to do with such concepts as God, sanctity, or human nature. Rather, it was rooted in the practical need to keep peace in the tribe or village, by defining property rights.

Ooga now belong to Mok. And Ooga´s first male child now have the right to Mok´s stuff when Mok die. Anybody who messes with this gets run out of the tribe, or worse. If Mok and Jok get it on, nobody care.

The white dress, church, sanctity, and gay-marriage-envy nonsense came later.

So, exactly what is the societal value to our tribe if we say, OK, Mok and Jok can not only get it on (as they always have and nobody still care) but now also get the white dress, church-of-anyone-can-get-it-on-with-anyone-else, sort-of-sanctity, and sort-of-marriage thingy?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: gramma b, 12/23/2012 10:39:38 AM     (No. 9080580)

This non-Catholic is grateful to the Pope for standing firm on this. May it ever be so. I like the say the Catholic church describes homosexual behavior as "objectively disordered." It clearly is. Sexual attraction and sexual intercourse have an obvious biological purpose. The urge to imitate intercourse -- and that´s all they can do -- with a person of the same sex is an obvious dysfunction. The rest of society has no obligation to join in their delusions.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: gramma b, 12/23/2012 10:44:57 AM     (No. 9080589)

. . . I like the WAY the Catholic church describes . . .

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Vivi, 12/23/2012 11:08:07 AM     (No. 9080613)

When I was preparing to be married in the Church I asked our priest about the marriage license etc. He said of course he would sign it but the truth is the Church doesn´t care if we are legally married or not.

Agree with the Church or not when it comes to gay marriage, this is a free country. The trouble is that the state is now imposing it´s view of acceptable religion on religious institutions and denying them their guaranteed religious liberties.

The reason this is an issue now is that it´s not so far fetched to believe that our current government would require churches to perform gay marriages. After all the state is now requiring religious institutions to go against their own beliefs and pay for medical procedures that the Church believes ends a human life.

So it´s not a shock to anyone that the Church doesn´t condone gay marriage, or divorce, or any kind of sex outside of marriage for that matter. It used be that the solution was, if you don´t believe that don´t be Catholic. With our current statist government it may not be that simple going forward.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: NotaBene, 12/23/2012 11:09:02 AM     (No. 9080614)

B16 stands for all Western Civilization. In the age of Obama we need a sane leader.

Once all sodomite love wishes are fulfilled the progressives will find something else to agitate about. They seek the destruction of Christianity.

Merry Christmas.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/23/2012 11:16:24 AM     (No. 9080626)

But what an interesting thing to say! That a person´s human identity is linked to gender identity and if that you throw the second one overboard you lose the first. That is interesting! #11 many species also practice cannibalism but it also isn´t natural to ours. You have to know what you are. If you try to reform yourself into what you aren´t, you may merely break the whole vessel to pieces. We haven´t got that much authority over Nature.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: RancherJack, 12/23/2012 11:24:23 AM     (No. 9080639)

No disrespect to those who respect this Pope, but in his message I did not see that he called homosexuality a grave sin as defined by our Almighty Creator God.

He spoke of "family values".

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Reply 38 - Posted by: bluefindad, 12/23/2012 11:37:04 AM     (No. 9080661)

While not a Catholic, I greatly appreciate the Pope´s message. He is lending eloquence to common sense, arrived at through countless generations. God´s decrees are filled with wisdom. He instructs us for our betterment - to avoid pain and sorrow.

Those who advocate same-sex marriage are short-sighted and unwise. God decreed marriage because he realized that raising children - "civilizing them" is a tremendous task, requiring countless hours of instruction, correction, reward and repetition. Without such an effort, the number of feral children increases, eventually to the point where civil society is overthrown and all are motivated by greed and the lust for power. For this reason, marriage is sanctified, and our fathers - being wiser and farther-sighted than this self-celebrating generation, sought to uplift marriage and honor it.

Marriage has declined as an honored institution. The mistakes are many - beginning with the relaxation of the grounds for divorce. ´Gay marriage´ makes a mockery of the sanctified union, and will further degrade its importance.

The number of feral offspring in the population has been continually increasing, and will reach the tipping point within a generation. A larger proportion of children experience a fragmented upbringing, lacking in the consistent application of the rules of civility. Young people I speak with bemoan the lack of civility, honesty and decency among their peers - yet advocate ´gay marriage´. They do not see the long-term consequences.

They will not like the world they are creating.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: udanja99, 12/23/2012 11:42:21 AM     (No. 9080667)

#22, if American Catholics no longer listen to the Pope, why is my local parish standing room only at all 6 weekend masses?

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Reply 40 - Posted by: udanja99, 12/23/2012 11:43:53 AM     (No. 9080670)

Sorry, that should have been #27.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: tnorling, 12/23/2012 11:51:31 AM     (No. 9080685)

Hmmm. This is a non-issue until it drives fiscally conservative social liberals into the democrat camp. When the divorce rate gets below what, 70%, then perhaps we can start talking about the "sanctity" of marriage. This is also in large part simply a semantic argument. Those on both sides of the issue who are single issue or nearly single issue voters on this should think again, or just think.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 12/23/2012 12:04:44 PM     (No. 9080699)

Good for Pope Benedict. But, you know, you can only blame a defective gene pool only so much on ther gay issue in general. A political sickness has more to do with it; the old legislate for votes mentality that infected our government starting a long time ago.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: ohyababy, 12/23/2012 12:32:14 PM     (No. 9080736)

This from a man who heads an organization whose clergy sexually molested and abused children for decades - the same organization which has paid out Two Billion dollars to their victims. Who heads an organization which moved these sexual predators from parish to parish as they could continue to prey upon children again and again. This man and his organization have lost the right to declare they have any moral leadership ever again on any subject.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: OhMy, 12/23/2012 12:43:15 PM     (No. 9080747)

Regarding feral offspring #39 they do bring about negative consequences for society especially when one of them is elected twice as president! As a child he was bounced all around parents come and go, mother remarries and divorces, child raised by grandparents. It has been shown children are affected by being put in day care simply because the caregiver is always changing. They can be good caregivers but since they are changing the child feels insecure. Obama has the world by the tail yet he feels insecure. Nothing can fill the void of feeling abandoned as a child. Feel sorry for him if you will but such a person should not be allowed to damage the whole nation as they work out their problems.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: M2, 12/23/2012 1:45:59 PM     (No. 9080832)

Honestly-held beliefs are all over this thread but with the caveat that I am not a Catholic nor do I believe the Pope´s opinions are any more valid than my own, here are my views, admittedly trying to touch all bases:

+ There is no settled science on whether or not homosexuality is genetic.

+ Consensus makes poor truth: just because the majority of people believe something is true/valid does not make it so.

+ To those who say people are born with an orientation toward the same sex, I am "oriented" toward adultery. Because it is a sin, I don´t engage in it.

+ Scripture unambiguously forbids homosexual behavior. God said it, Christians didn´t make this up.

+ God loves homosexuals. He does not love their sins and wants it stopped, just as he abjures all sinners to stop our sins.

+ Every single issue voter (abortion, gay marriage) who stays home because their candidate is iffy on the subject is a vote for the opposite side, who, when they win, further damage our cultural rot.

+ I believe that with the creeping feminization of America came an increase in open homosexuality.

+ In nature, homosexual couplings do not reproduce -- that goes against the way God made animals and people.

+ I do not believe that all homosexual relationship are based solely on sex. I have seen many loving homosexuals who have been together for decades where sex is no longer feasible. They stay for love.

+ We cannot, as a Party, continue to make this an issue. Our freedom and liberty is at stake. We´re losing the country and our positions on homosexuality are not relevant. Our positions on taxes, the Constitution and religious liberty are.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: M2, 12/23/2012 1:48:40 PM     (No. 9080834)

Make that "our freedom and liberty ARE at stake."

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Reply 47 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 12/23/2012 1:50:17 PM     (No. 9080839)

Homosexuals need clinical counseling, not our approval, and certainly not our blessings on their perverted concept of "gay marriage".(It´s biologically impossible!)

God bless Pope Benedict, God Bless America, and thank you God for Jesus and Christmas.

(Did a liberal´s head just explode?...)

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Reply 48 - Posted by: rocco49, 12/23/2012 2:03:20 PM     (No. 9080851)

Yes...#48, you just exploded lefty #44´s head! Way to go! Merry Christmas and Praise the Lord! Hallelujah! All give grace to God!

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Reply 49 - Posted by: M2, 12/23/2012 2:44:59 PM     (No. 9080887)

#49, everything in #44´s post is true, verifiable and hardly "Leftist". Except for his final statement, that is. The CC has hung tough on abortion. For that, they deserve some respect.

The Catholic Church and other denominations have protected (and perpetuated) homosexual pedophiles for ages. It is only recently that the CC has at least made the attempt to clean out its closets.

FWIW, I agree with your praises to God. Merry Christmas to all.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: pepperblue, 12/23/2012 2:47:05 PM     (No. 9080890)

One of the requirements to marry in the Catholic Church is that the couple must be open to children and to be able to consummate (the full union of a man and woman) the marriage. Homosexuals cannot consummate a marriage; therefore, there can be no marriage between homosexuals. I have no problem with Catholic homosexuals living a committed, celibate relationship with a partner and each receiving full governmental benefits for these partnerships.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: rocco49, 12/23/2012 3:14:23 PM     (No. 9080912)

#50, I resent your personal attack on me and I completely disagree with your stating what 44 stated...that truly is LEFTIST rhetoric. Are you an ass-press writer? Sounds like it. I´m a Catholic and proud of it and I despise the attack on Christians from Obama, from the left, and now from two posters on this super site. Quit putting cockroaches in our oatmeal!

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Reply 52 - Posted by: Vivi, 12/23/2012 4:14:42 PM     (No. 9080973)

The left´s view of the Church´s moral authority total depends on the topic at hand. When the Church is in line with their worldview we get Catholics for Obama and company. When not, we get ´´no moral authority´´ based on the scandals from past years.

Can´t have it both ways. Just know that the Church has a fight on it´s hands. The lawsuits against the mandates are working their way through the system. But there´s still a whole lot about the Church the left would like to take aim at beyond forcing it to fund procedures that go against Church teaching. Male only priesthood and gay marriage are the ones they see as most within the government´s domain. Think it´s not coming?

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Reply 53 - Posted by: kelty, 12/23/2012 4:25:00 PM     (No. 9080981)

Marriage is a manipulation of nature. So is celibacy. So is insurance. So is the federal reserve. So is flying to the moon. So is the post office. So are big, pointy hats.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/23/2012 4:29:47 PM     (No. 9080987)

Pope Benedict is right. No discussion otherwise will change my mind.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: ohyababy, 12/23/2012 4:44:42 PM     (No. 9081007)

Sorry #49 my head has not exploded and I´m far from a lefty. I happen to care about all the victims of sexual abuse that the church tried for years to silence. I don´t know do you think it was alright?????

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Reply 56 - Posted by: rocco49, 12/23/2012 5:04:23 PM     (No. 9081031)

Pope Benedict denounces gay marriage....stop wandering and stay on topic, if you can. I agree with the Pope, while you took a nasty swing at him for whatever purpose you had. That still seems "lefty" to me. But I love this site so much that I guess I´ll have to put up with sneak attacks on my Pope. God bless us all this Christmas, and especially Lucianne and staff!

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Reply 57 - Posted by: ohyababy, 12/23/2012 5:08:27 PM     (No. 9081038)

#50 there are none so blind as they who will not see. Nothing lefty about telling the truth with regards to a church which allowed decades of sexual abuse to occur and who´s remedy was to move the abuser around to different parishes so they could abuse more child victims. Unless of course you´re going to tell me conservatives think sexually molestation and physical abuse of children is OK.......

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Reply 58 - Posted by: jlw509, 12/23/2012 6:13:24 PM     (No. 9081100)

Clearly there´s a lot of confusion out there about sex, gender, and even "nature". The fact that something "exists" in nature doesn´t make it good.

I´m sure there are fish that eat their own spawn, spiders that eat their own mates, and canines in heat that will fling themselves against anything furry, fuzzy or firm. That doesn´t make these behaviors norms for human behavior.

"Natural Law" from an ethical point of view is that which perfects our own nature, which promotes flourishing, physical and spiritual, for the person, the family, and the society. In this sense of the word, "using your reason" is natural even if it´s aided by a computer, while "eating a poison" is unnatural, even if it grows on trees.

"Marriage" is part of Natural Law --- whether you´re a Methodist, a Mormon, a Muslim, or a reasonable Multi-culti --- because it stabilizes relations of the procreative kind, and thus unites children with their natural father and mother.

That´s where a child gets his identity --- his sense of natural origin --- his place in an organic kinship system --- and the nurturance and providence of a man and woman who will show him how to be at home in this world with men and women.

Marriage is unique. It is organically intergenerational. And it is irreplaceable.



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Reply 59 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 12/23/2012 6:47:59 PM     (No. 9081140)

I dont usually post twice on a thread, but to the same poster of #44, 56 and 58...enough! We get it! You harp about your perception of sexual abuse as if you were there and know the truth, which, in reality, you probably only read the ass-press reports and believed them all...Pope Benedict denounces gay marriage and so do I. Any alteration and deviation from that sole topic here is your agenda...which souns very "progressive", not conservative, to me. Enough!

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Reply 60 - Posted by: ohyababy, 12/23/2012 7:09:37 PM     (No. 9081165)

#60 You act like you were there too - were you??? Doubtful... Enough, enough - right back at ya!

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Reply 61 - Posted by: knarfski, 12/23/2012 8:01:58 PM     (No. 9081205)

If one is for same-sex marriage, then one should be for bisexual marriage--else one lacks vision and ends up on the wrong side of history. Right #2?

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Reply 62 - Posted by: pinkpanther, 12/23/2012 8:24:51 PM     (No. 9081222)

Here is the truth on the sexual abuse scandal. #1 Pope Benedict was NOT the Pope when this happened nor did he know of this. #2 the church put safeguards in place and the majority of these cases stem from before 1990. #3 the majority of victims were post pubescent boys which is pedarest not pedophilia, it was an issue with homosexual priests.#4 the % of offenders is the same as the number of molesters on the staff of Yale when you look at the total number of priest vs offenders. #5 children are more likely to be molested in the public school system where they also have moved teachers and covered it up. Those who are hung up on the sex abuse, if you put your kids in a public school you´re a huge hypocrit and have lost any moral authority to speak on this matter. The Pope is right even if he is the last man left on Earth who holds this opinion. The truth isn´t measured based on how many people agree with it!

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Reply 63 - Posted by: crossmyheart, 12/23/2012 8:58:53 PM     (No. 9081244)

#63. I would add that during the time most all these abuses occured society contributed to the cover-up by blaming victims causing them to be ashamed to come forward. But even then 99.8 % of Priests lived holy lives of sacrifice that most people, including me, didn´t and wouldn´t have the moral courage to live.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: OhMy, 12/23/2012 9:21:44 PM     (No. 9081260)

Re the tangential debate about Church scandals and Church authority to teach there is no doubt that the toleration of homosexual clergy has caused great scandal in the church. I am saddened by it because it does cloud the important work of the church to teach unwelcome truths. I get the impression from some posters here that they are not saddened by it but delighted to have an excuse to ignore the moral authority of the church when it suits them. For them it is a club which gives them an excuse to dismiss everything the church teaches. Clergy and christians have the duty to avoid scandal, even scandal of the simpleminded meaning something which is not really sinful but may appear to be wrong and cause some to stumble. They do not have the obligation however to avoid what is called pharisaical scandal. Our Lord himself was accused of scandalizing the pharisees who claimed not to work on the sabbath etc. They claimed to be so pure and set a much higher standard than Our Lord. If our Lord cannot avoid pharisaical scandal then neither can we nor should we try. No one can be so pure that no fault could be found by someone who is looking for a fault to avoid facing an evident truth!

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Reply 65 - Posted by: Tianne, 12/23/2012 9:23:14 PM     (No. 9081263)

#59 - your comments are rational and irrefutable - thank you.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: ohyababy, 12/25/2012 11:29:53 AM     (No. 9083023)

#63 Cardinal Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, order a priest who sodomized little boys into a mental hospital rather than turning him over to the German police as required by German law. He aided and abetted a criminal and should have been brought up on charges for it. Until the catholic church "cleans" its own house it lacks any moral authority on any issue. These attacks upon catholic young have occurred in numerous countries not just the US which would suggest that there is something terrible wrong with this "church".

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Reply 67 - Posted by: Fledrmaus, 12/25/2012 12:38:52 PM     (No. 9083097)

I´d like to know what lilywhat land Ohcrybaby is posting from which provides him such a lofty perch from which to abuse the Catholic Church. Is it Britain? France? Germany? Or the Holy American Empire, with its adorable "gay" TV sitcoms, homosexual preschool indoctrination and annual Gay Pride parades? Unless he´s posting from Uganda, he´s in no position to sneer at the Pope. The Catholic Church went wrong in the 1960s, with its naive belief that it could learn something from the up-to-date secular culture surrounding it. It didn´t realize in time that all the sentimental sighing from the "All we want..." gang was covering smoke for an infiltration of demonic agents determined to destroy God´s family. They had things their own way for over 3 decades, but the Church woke up at last, and today there´s no welcome mat for perverts in the Church. But that´s not good enough for Ohcrybaby, even though he´s happily swimming in a secular culture that´s more polluted than the Church ever was even in the darkest days of Vatican II fanaticism. He wants to destroy the Catholic Church as much as any homosexual infiltrator.

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Reply 68 - Posted by: ohyababy, 12/25/2012 3:49:10 PM     (No. 9083275)

"Went wrong in the 60s" - oh please - did you conveniently forget about the Inquisition and its many victims? Or how about the church turning its back, its so called moral authority back on the Nazis? The list goes on and on with the abuses committed by this church. You all can keep drinking all the kool-aid you want it doesn´t change the fact this church and it leader have lost all moral authority for the physical abuse, sexual molestation of both girls and boys which included rape and sodomy by priests and who were aided and abetted by moving them from parish to parish rather than turning them over to the police. Before this Pope or this church can denounce anyone they need to clean their own house - plain and simple. Of course I´m sure more papists will continue to make excuses for the sexual and physical violence committed against children - its really all you can do as its all a matter of public and legal record to the offenses committed by this church and its clergy.

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