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body and a taste for
beefsteak: Meet Elsie Scheel,
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171 pounds, a pear-shaped
body and a taste for
beefsteak: Meet Elsie Scheel,
the Cornell student declared
1912´s perfect woman

Daily Mail (UK), by Tamara Abraham

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Posted By:JoniTx, 12/22/2012 8:56:54 AM

Today´s perfect woman might closely resemble a Victoria´s Secret model. But 100 years ago, the female physical ideal was very different. A series of articles in 1912 and early 1913 saw Brooklyn-born Cornell student Elsie Scheel, 24, hailed ´the most nearly perfect physical specimen of womanhood´. The 24-year-old, who was selected by university medical examiner Dr Esther Parker from a group of over 400 women, was described by the New York Times as ´a light-haired, blue-eyed girl whose very presence bespeaks perfect health.´

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Attila DiMedici, 12/22/2012 9:13:07 AM     (No. 9079164)

Still works for me.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: capuzzi2, 12/22/2012 9:16:21 AM     (No. 9079170)

Yuck

I hate fat on a woman

I love the Daily Mail. Great pics and a variety of random interesting articles.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Phosphene, 12/22/2012 9:26:08 AM     (No. 9079186)

Yama-hama, it´s fright night.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/22/2012 9:36:19 AM     (No. 9079204)

If I could only grow 6 inches taller, I´d be perfect !
In today´s world, there is far too much emphasis on appearance, and almost none on intelligence and goodness.
I only looked at tall men, and married one and suffered for 28 years. I finally woke up and divorced him. I was asked out on a date by a short man, who turned out to be THE last perfect man on earth and we had a blissful happy marriage for 24 years, until his death last year. His sense of honor and decency, and respect for me and his warmth and love will sustain me to the end of my days.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds, 12/22/2012 9:39:30 AM     (No. 9079208)

Mrs Greyhounds is almost the same size, except she runs marathons and triathlons for fun...

And after 35 years, I´d marry her again!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: shamrock, 12/22/2012 9:42:37 AM     (No. 9079212)

Marilyn Monroe was considered chunky. Go figure.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: neanderthal, 12/22/2012 9:42:44 AM     (No. 9079213)

It used to be that men had an instinct for preferring females that appeared to 1. be able to deliver without much trouble (ample hips), 2. could survive long periods of stress (extra fat), and 3. would be able to nurse a child adequately (breast size).
I´m not sure what their instinct is for now. Apparently,it´s for females who will 1. never have enough of anything, 2. will make endless demands, 3. always be somewhere or going somewhere and getting ready to go somewhere and 4.will always decide when it´s convenient enough so a guy can relieve himself of the 50,000 sperm he creates every day.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jorgecito, 12/22/2012 9:58:05 AM     (No. 9079233)


Elsie Scheel was very, very attractive to most men in 1912 ... she would also have been attractive to most men for all the eons men have existed before that!

There´s a good reason for that. Healthy body fat is essential for healthy pregnancies, and perpetuating humankind.

It is only in the last few decades, when the tastes of homosexual men began to dominate our culture, that rail-thin women became the ideal body type.

This is how we get sentiments like those expressed by #2 (who is disgusted by "fat on a woman").

Decades of propaganda from Madison Avenue and Hollywood have convinced even heterosexual men that a normal, healthy woman is unattractive.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Muncssister, 12/22/2012 10:08:33 AM     (No. 9079248)

Seems fairly heavy to me. Personally, I know I look and feel better at a smaller weight. Of course, a size 12/14 in 1912 is probably a size 8 by today´s standards. Vanity sizing throws a a major kink in this article. And #7, breast size has absolutely no bearing on successful breastfeeding.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: chumley, 12/22/2012 10:08:47 AM     (No. 9079250)

If we completely ignore personality, intellect, sense of humor, adventure and character, and focus only on looks, I am partial to the taller, thinner girls.
Luckily for me, I don´t ignore the aforementioned qualities.
I don´t want to perpetuate humankind. I just want to stay in practice.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: jed, 12/22/2012 10:09:58 AM     (No. 9079251)

Eat healthy, exercise, be the size you are and be attracted to who you want......Everything else is just more crap.

What next? The government mandate you have to marry who they think is best, so more will feel better about themselves?


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Reply 12 - Posted by: Cinwasp, 12/22/2012 10:15:24 AM     (No. 9079259)

# 5 scared me for a second!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: kanphil, 12/22/2012 10:15:59 AM     (No. 9079261)

Sounds like my kind of woman. She´d keep a fella warm through those long winter nights on the ranch.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: zzzghy, 12/22/2012 10:28:32 AM     (No. 9079289)

I´m with #13. And in the summer, me and the dog can sit in her shade.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Java D, 12/22/2012 10:29:54 AM     (No. 9079291)

The Venus de Milo is beautiful by any standards in any century.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: grambo, 12/22/2012 10:39:57 AM     (No. 9079312)

Sounds like the pear-shaped six foot linebacker with size 13 feet is out.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/22/2012 10:40:54 AM     (No. 9079318)

So, #2, what´s your BMI?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/22/2012 10:49:36 AM     (No. 9079339)

In many regions of Africa today Elsie would be considered too slender to be the perfect woman.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: capuzzi2, 12/22/2012 10:51:23 AM     (No. 9079345)

#5

I´ve got one like that too. Makes me feel old.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Susannah, 12/22/2012 10:53:44 AM     (No. 9079355)

Elsie was 5´7", which would have made her quite tall for a woman of her generation. She´d actually be taller than the average American woman now, wouldn´t she?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: bezalel, 12/22/2012 10:53:54 AM     (No. 9079357)

A perfect woman . . . one that can´t outrun you.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Phosphene, 12/22/2012 10:56:50 AM     (No. 9079362)

"If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life.
Never make a pretty woman your wife.
So from my personal point of view.
Get an ugly girl to marry you."



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Reply 23 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 12/22/2012 11:13:24 AM     (No. 9079391)

Is the top of her head flat? Does her family own a liquor store? Can she cook?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: bgarrett, 12/22/2012 11:17:53 AM     (No. 9079408)

How do you brace a tramp?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: seal010101, 12/22/2012 11:18:55 AM     (No. 9079411)

I want to meet these "bracing tramps" she spoke of.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Calico Al, 12/22/2012 11:21:12 AM     (No. 9079414)

Could be a point guard in the WBA.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Dreemaun, 12/22/2012 11:31:24 AM     (No. 9079439)

Who knew? If I had been born 4 decades earlier I could have been the Cindy Crawford of my day.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 12/22/2012 11:40:52 AM     (No. 9079453)

FTA: "She had ´no liking for candy and did not have a taste for ´delicacies´, and - quite remarkably - had ´never taken a drink of tea or coffee in her life.´ The result? ´She has never been ill and doesn´t know what fear is´ - indeed, she believes women would be happier if they ´got over the fear of things´."

Well, now, I think there is quite a bit of wisdom there. It sounds like she had a very healthy approach to life and living (unlike many today). Perhaps Nanny Bloomberg could learn a thing or two from her

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Reply 29 - Posted by: snakeoil, 12/22/2012 11:56:07 AM     (No. 9079473)

Next thing you know Hillary will be Playboy´s Playmate of the Month. I like women who can fit into one zip code.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 12/22/2012 11:57:56 AM     (No. 9079475)

Perfection,as a human ideal, has no foundation in reality. There are as many perfect people as there are people in the world. If you like starving yourself perpetually so you can have a body that other believe is ideal, then you have achieved your level of perfection. If you don´t give a rip what other people think about your body, love eating Philly cheese steaks every day, twice a day- that´s your level of perfection. Everything else is just mental metaphysics.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: MOBeef4u, 12/22/2012 11:58:26 AM     (No. 9079476)

The current BMI formula is totally pointless since it can´t distinguish between weight from muscle and weight from fat. Think Bruce Willis in "Die Hard", Stallone in "First Blood", Schwarzenegger in anything, all would be deemed obese using this formula.
Regarding Miss Scheel´s curves, she is not fat. We´ve just been so brain-washed by the sight of walking skeletons for models that it seems "normal". The body type of the average Victoria Secret model applies to about 5% of the female population, I think. I doubt that they are much healthier than the rest of us, including us "pears"; the forgotten women of fashion.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: LadyHen, 12/22/2012 12:07:22 PM     (No. 9079486)

Wow... I´m 5´7" and 150 and I am a healthy girl as momma use to say. Tack on 20 lbs on my frame and I would be fat as mud so goes to show how frame, musculature, and body shape make a huge difference. I wonder if she has more muscle as muscle weighs more than fat but it also burns more calories and is much healthier.

As to attraction, sorry folks, it´s biologically hardwired. You are attracted to who you are attracted to and it has nothing to do with personality or sense of humor or if someone is a "nice person." Those are nice accessories and make for happy beta thoughts but in the end, that is all they are. Suck down that red pill guys and gals, it´s for your own good.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 12/22/2012 12:33:13 PM     (No. 9079520)

Perfect woman?

Was she mute?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: neanderthal, 12/22/2012 1:15:16 PM     (No. 9079576)

#9. I worked far too long in the dairy business to buy into that comment.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: PageTurner, 12/22/2012 2:15:43 PM     (No. 9079649)

You can be very attractive at 171 at 5´7", particularly if you are youthful. It would be about a size 10. She probably was very nice looking.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: reefdiver, 12/22/2012 3:03:21 PM     (No. 9079688)

No mention of the 1912 perfect man

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Reply 37 - Posted by: ragenrylie, 12/22/2012 4:12:17 PM     (No. 9079759)

#33 - LOL! (couldn´t find the ´like´ button)

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Reply 38 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 12/22/2012 5:51:00 PM     (No. 9079845)

It is better to have loved a short person,
Than never to have loved a tall...

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Reply 39 - Posted by: smcchk, 12/22/2012 7:30:35 PM     (No. 9079910)

I knew I was born in the wrong era!

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Reply 40 - Posted by: oldsfc, 12/22/2012 8:22:09 PM     (No. 9079936)

She´s what you call warmth in the winter and shade in the summer. Seriously, look at old photos from that era. Most of the well to do women were of ample size. Then look at pictures of pioneer women. The difference is stark.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: chumley, 12/22/2012 8:39:50 PM     (No. 9079948)

I recently saw a picture of my great great grandmother taken around 1860. I hope this does not make me weird, but she was one of the most stunningly beautiful 40 year old women I have ever seen, even by today´s standards.
The problem is, when the picture was taken she was 19.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: anonymous, 12/22/2012 8:53:25 PM     (No. 9079955)

The people who promote the stick-thin female ideal of today are gay men who work in the fashion industry along with their female enablers. Their aim is to de-feminize the female form by reducing it to a boy-like appearance.

The reason they do this is simple: to reduce the difference between the genders. Liberals work on the basis that there must not be any difference between men and women. The reason that liberals choose women as the moveable object in this culture war is because women are highly impressionable when it comes to appearance. Remember that women are sellers by nature, which means they use their appearance to sell themselves to men.

If Elsie Scheel was the ideal a hundred years ago, and a stick-thin model is the ideal today, one shudders as to what might be the case in a hundred years from now. Slowly, we are heading for complete de-humanization.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/22/2012 9:53:57 PM     (No. 9079997)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Doesn´t it worry anyone that the deciding factor is the medical examiner ? Did it help that her mother was also a doctor ?

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Reply 44 - Posted by: msjena, 12/22/2012 10:50:14 PM     (No. 9080037)

5´7" and 171 is quite heavy--not a size 10 even by today´s standards.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/23/2012 3:17:43 AM     (No. 9080177)

I guess the wookie wouldn´t qualify with her humongous rear end.

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