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NRA chief calls for armed guards in schools
in first post-Newtown press conference

New York Daily News, by Kristen A. Lee

Original Article

Posted By:FlyRight, 12/22/2012 6:47:39 AM

The head of the National Rifle Association said that armed guards in schools are needed to protect our children from the “genuine monsters” walking among us during a press conference interrupted twice by protesters. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” said NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre during the powerful pro-gun group´s first press conference following the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/22/2012 6:53:45 AM     (No. 9078960)

The left is really up in arms over this simplistic solution.

Nothing short of confiscation will satisfy these people.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 12/22/2012 7:07:45 AM     (No. 9078973)

Read “An Opinion on Gun Control” which makes an excellent case for armed teachers in schools: http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=716472

I learned that for several years now Utah has had armed teachers!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: bubby, 12/22/2012 7:11:41 AM     (No. 9078976)

He´s right and the police aren´t the only good guys. The old saying " I carry a gun because I can´t carry a cop." still holds true more today than ever. The left and msm has so demonized guns and gun owners that most of the "good guys" are scared to death to own a gun let alone get the proper training to conceal carry. We have let the radical left disarm us without a whimper. Without the NRA the 2nd Amendment would have been nullified by now.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: JimS, 12/22/2012 7:34:43 AM     (No. 9078997)

Yes, #4, and the Aurora theater was a Gun-Free Zone, that did not permit their patrons to conceal carry--though the killer did anyhow.
And in the case of the Tucson mall, the killer shot himself when confronted with an armed civilian.
Mass shootings in Newtown, Aurora, Va Tech, Columbine all have one thing in common--they were Gun Free Zones, so only the cowardly killer was armed
Get it now?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: BcdErick, 12/22/2012 7:37:26 AM     (No. 9079000)

#4, you´re wrong, totally wrong. The LSM is the enemy. They want to confiscate our guns. They despise and literally hate anyone who disagrees with their Orwellian groupthink. LaPierre is a very smart man. I belong to the NRA and I don´t even live in the US at the moment. I guess you´re not paying attention.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: ebgodard, 12/22/2012 7:39:13 AM     (No. 9079003)

Lunatics don´t attack police stations, not because they have respect for or are afraid of the law. it´s because cops have guns and will shoot back. Mall cops in schools aren´t the answer. They´re never in the right place at the right time. I say get 5 volunteer teachers and administrators, do pysch backgrounds, train the heck out of them. Make them go to the firing range on a regular basis. Have the guns secured. Pay them extra. Send out a message loud and clear that our schools are armed. If the Principal had a weapon she would not have had to use her body to try and stop this guy. She was absolutely defenseless.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Mazeman, 12/22/2012 7:39:15 AM     (No. 9079005)

The answeri s to allow concealed carry everywhere. No more gun-free zones, which is where all these killings have occurred.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: bubby, 12/22/2012 7:50:39 AM     (No. 9079017)

#4 FYI. The killings in the movie theater in Colorado were at the only movie theater in area that banned guns. The killer had to drive past several other theaters showing that same movie because he knew which one allowed guns. He may have been crazy but he wasn´t stupid. Gun free zones are nothing but killing zones for those bent on doing evil, wanting to harm others.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: DHS, 12/22/2012 7:55:20 AM     (No. 9079027)

I´m with Rabbit on this one - it was a tone-deaf speech with the wrong message at the wrong time.

An national opportunity to stress all the good things we´ve done as an organization, our willingness to reach out to others that disagree with us and reach a consensus that addresses the needs of a country neck-deep in violence, poor mental health care, and figure-it-out-yourself fire-arms safety - lost with another one of Wayne´s "more guns are the solution" rambles.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: BcdErick, 12/22/2012 7:58:18 AM     (No. 9079033)

#7, that´s the right impulse. However, my mother was a school teacher for 39 years. I know she could never shoot anybody, no matter how justified. I think a lot of teachers are like that. It´s not simple. It´s not just the kids that need to be protected, it´s the teachers too. The good ones are in the love and nurturing business. And watching the kids grow and mature is very satisfying.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: John Moses Browning, 12/22/2012 8:10:02 AM     (No. 9079048)

The link below is on the must reads list this morning with your comment after.

NRA chief calls for armed guards in schools
in first post-Newtown press conference

"Seems clear the first person to get shot
would be the retired cop on the job."

This comment could be from the New York Times or any other left wing rag.
Is Lucianne.com now anti gun? Please tell me no.
Trained armed men in the schools could stop this problem today. Why in the world would we want to continue to leave our women and children unprotected?
We arm our airline pilots. Our "leaders" are all protected by armed men. Sidwell Friends in D.C. where the elite children go has guards. Protection for the elite but not for the rest of us?






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Reply 12 - Posted by: feebie, 12/22/2012 8:14:12 AM     (No. 9079060)

I´m a staunch supporter of the Second. I think this is ridiculous.

Why punish the innocent for a very small probability that this would happen AND not tackle the real issue, common denominator in all these shootings is a mentally I´ll individual.

Allow teachers and school staff to voluntarily bring a gun if they wish. Offer training. Run drills. But don´t create a militerized zone for kids. Why should they be subjected to normalize guards with guns everywhere in America.

Take a step back folks.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 12/22/2012 8:20:34 AM     (No. 9079064)

First of all, I also thought LaPierre sounded tone deaf. He should have just stayed quiet, no statement at all, or a press release. Why read it in public raising the Code Pink protestor possibility? And if he planned to take no questions, again - why read it in public? He stammered quite a bit - just didn´t sound authentic.

Second, an armed and well-trained security at the locked door might have stopped Lanza. Maybe, maybe not. We´ll never know now. But armed and well-trained teachers and admin staff inside certainly would have. And I don´t believe, as #11 indicated, that a properly trained and motivated teacher would not have shot back - rather than allow 20 little first-graders to be murdered right in front of her? Are you serious?

Station those willing and prepared teachers and staff in their usual places, and no intruder will ever be able to know which ones are, and which ones aren´t. My word, if I were a teacher, I´d VOLUNTEER for this duty and train to the school district´s desire and standards ON MY OWN.

Or watch babies be slaughtered right in front of me? And me next? Yeah ... no way.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/22/2012 8:21:16 AM     (No. 9079065)

This constant mind numbing hum drum just validates the fact that the Looney Left, the Dumbs, & the Lame Brain News Media are insane...my challenge to them "shut up for a change" and OBJECTIVELY read LaPierre´s & Hutchinson´s speech/remarks...there are fresh viable ideas and a near term solution. In we want to protect our schools or any other venue considered to be a soft target/relatively risk free zone for these perpetrators, let us do it through strength!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 12/22/2012 8:27:03 AM     (No. 9079075)

Join the NRA today!!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: feebie, 12/22/2012 8:31:49 AM     (No. 9079082)

Right on, #15, right on.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 12/22/2012 8:37:39 AM     (No. 9079094)

A police officer with a conventional sidearm could have provided little extra protection from a suicidal mentally ill shooter bent on mass murder and heavily armed with a semi-automatic rifle as well as other weapons. It would have been better than nothing, of course - and with luck, it might even have reduced the number of victims. I would not want to bet on it, however. The marginal utility of such measures scarcely justifies their economic and social cost. And the cop-in-every-school suggestion plays into the hands of gun control advocates, who can plausibly claim that if matters have indeed gotten so bad as to require such measures for the (alleged) protection of children, stricter gun control is certainly warranted as well.

We do not have the facts about the Sandy Hook massacre. Nothing so far has been reported to indicate that it could have been foreseen or prevented. A great deal of mis- or dis-information is being spread by the media and columnists about laws pertaining to emergency mental health evaluation. There is no excuse for this, since anybody interested can Google Connecticut emergency mental health laws and read the statutes for themselves. This takes about 2 minutes or less, depending upon one´s reading speed. Every single opinion I have read thus far on the alleged deficiency of laws concerning involuntary mental hospitalization conflates and thus confuses the entirely separate issues of emergency evaluation and civil commitment. They are not the same thing.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: BcdErick, 12/22/2012 8:48:57 AM     (No. 9079109)

#15, that´s a very good post. I´m not going to argue with you. All I will say is that I grew up around elementary schools and I would visit my mother at her "job". The whole mindset, the way of life, was very different than what is required to anticipate such a threat and then use deadly force to stop it. That wariness is, by design, not there. That is why we, as a society, must protect them. That´s my point.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 12/22/2012 8:49:53 AM     (No. 9079112)

I see the usual let´s all surrender to the media crowd is out in full force this morning.

You don´t see these nutjobs going after their 15 minutes of fame by trying to shoot up the local VFW fish fry or a biker bar on Saturday night. They pick places known to be gun free zones because while they may be crazy they are far from stupid.

As for guns and schools, I have it on pretty good authority that every time there is a school shooting a whole lot of local school employees in my district violate state law by bringing their guns to work. What are they thinking? That should it happen here they can get to their car and back in less than minute while it will take the cops ten minutes to get there.



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Reply 20 - Posted by: mrduc, 12/22/2012 8:53:04 AM     (No. 9079120)

I think the facts are purposely being withheld to advance the left´s true agenda. The presstitutes are carrying water for the left with purposeful misdirection and obfuscation of the truth. If the left were serious about the safety of the public, labeled under the figleaf term, ´gun control´, they would have been in the inner cities taking ILLEGAL guns out of the hands of the criminals. Years ago. Yet, night after night, week after week, year after year, the slaughter continues in our inner cities; innocents and not-so-innocents get shot and NOTHING is done. I guess to the LIEberals, white innocents have more value than black or hispanic innocents. And therein is how LIEberals expose how racist LIEberals truly are.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: bigken2, 12/22/2012 9:25:08 AM     (No. 9079183)

obama says he wants gun owners to enter the dilog on guns and when we do we are ridaculed and called raticals and racest the nra ideas would actualy work and libs just cannot have that

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Reply 22 - Posted by: O.S. Banker, 12/22/2012 9:26:15 AM     (No. 9079188)

Comments regarding the mindset of Elementary School Teachers are legitimate, but as one poster noted, on a voluntary basis, they could be a significant deterrent. The issue regarding the effectiveness of a side are vs an assailant armed with a rifle are a little specious...If your field of combat is an open field with 100 yds distance the issue is legitimate. In close quarters combat the side arm can be very effective.

Like it or not, the cop is usually the first victim in an assault where cops are known to be on patrol be it a high end store, a bank, or a armored car service. I consider the comment nothing more than the burden we place on these professionals.

These events will continue and they will get worse. We will harden our defenses and steele our resolve, the perpetrators will refine their tactics and techniques. As long as we place oour emphasis on playing nice rather than serious threat assessment, including disclosure which is hampered by current law, the mentally unstable will have the upper-hand.

As for this entire bovine scat of an anti-bullying campaign, the only thing I ever saw reform a bully under the age of 20 was a good thorough butt whipping, preferrably by one of his former victims. After the age of 20, the bully gets a lawyer and the victim loses. But eventually, they either reform or they suffer the fate of Ken Rex McElroy.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: LZK, 12/22/2012 9:31:32 AM     (No. 9079195)

Good for the NRA....

About time someone makes sense....

The only way to stop these shooters with guns is to match them up with -- a cop with a gun.....

It´s an eye for an eye -- or a bullet for a bullet....

OR -- an ole grannie with a concealed/carry gun hidden in her purse or under/garment.....

I´m ready....let them try and take out one of my grand/babies....

LZK

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Travis Mcgee, 12/22/2012 9:36:10 AM     (No. 9079203)

My observation regarding Wayne´s press conference is that he sounded genuinely angry and sad. I am sure the killing of young children had him just as horrified as the rest of us but he was also tired of the NRA always being linked to these shootings and somehow responsible. Implicit in the reporting is that if the NRA didn´t exist there would be no mass shootings.

Nonsense like "we still haven´t heard from the NRA" or "NRA finally speaks out". Why should they even have to comment?

When Muslim suicide bombers killed innocents in Israel, Spain, and the UK we never heard the media clamoring to hear from Muslim leaders on how to stop the killings. And a strong argument could be made that they probably could.

As for the content of his speech I´m not sure he even knows what to do. His suggestions may or may not reduce incidents like Sandy Hook. One thing is certain though the shootings that have taken place over the last few years are not the fault of the NRA.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/22/2012 10:16:28 AM     (No. 9079262)

As I´ve posted on numerous threads, there are armed deputy sheriffs stationed full time in every high and middle school in my county. Not sure about the elementary schools and will have to look into it. He/she patrols the halls with bullet proof vest, night stick et al. His/her official car is parked right at the main entrance. That presence is not just a deterrent, it keep bad behavior by students in check.

Would be shooters, like muggers, are cowards and are looking for an easy target. Does anyone really think that Lanza would have even entered the parking lot of that school if there had been a sheriff´s car parked there?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: gagolfer, 12/22/2012 10:22:20 AM     (No. 9079275)

There were TWO armed officers at Columbine HIgh School. That worked out well.

How is any school district going to be able to afford an officer at every school 8 hours a day 5 days a week? Even a small town with only one high school has many elementary schools and several middle schools. Who is going to pay the unbelievable cost? Even if a few teachers agreed to be armed this is not a plausible plan to stop one or more crazed idiots with high powered rifles.

The "press conference" was a huge mistake and did more harm than good.



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Reply 27 - Posted by: ASAvet, 12/22/2012 10:30:15 AM     (No. 9079293)

One thing is undeniable -- government is not the answer. All the evidence of that you´ll ever need is Obama put Washington´s most unsufferable buffoon in charge of the task force to find ways to "prevent" massacres like Newton.

As an act of good faith, Obama should proclain Congress, Dept of (in)Justice and the White House to be "gun free zones." No armed secret service or police.

The solution, based upon recommended guidelines, is best left to the school districts. But, armed security personnel in schools makes too much sense, so it´ll never happen.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: tatterdemalion, 12/22/2012 10:32:41 AM     (No. 9079300)

This is a mistake. Make our schools like airports? Shall we then create a TSA for schools? Think people! First question to ask: how will leftists corrupt this idea upon mass implementation?

How many schools are there in the US? 40,000? 50,000? You already have security and swipe cards and an institutional mentality on the part of the administrators. If you add armed gaurds, then you might as well call the schools "low security prisons" and be done with it.

p.s. I bet that some of the more far seeing leftists actually like this idea. Get kids used to living in a police state mentality.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Fat Elvis, 12/22/2012 10:43:30 AM     (No. 9079321)

The point is clear--there needs to be an armed presence in our schools. Putting up signs declaring a weapons free zone is not working, which is one reason the liberals are so flustered. Deep down they realize gun control laws are not working. Whether security is provided by private security or local law enforcement is up to local towns and school districts.
Liberals will continue their ban all guns ranting, without realizing that a total "ban" on privately owned firearms will only result in a black market where this country will be awash in unregulated firearms. And more dead citizens and dead police officers.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Chuck, 12/22/2012 10:44:40 AM     (No. 9079324)

I don´t like the idea of having armed guards in school for a couple of reasons. The cost is high and there is very little benefit. One security guard is a weak defense against surprise. If he is ambushed or neutralized at the onset, his usefulness is minimal and the loss of his gun may be the method of choice for the perpetrator to obtain a weapon. Allowing the faculty to carry weapons might be beneficial, but there are social and physical problems. As with the security officer, a surprise and the weapon can change hands.

I envision another method. Like fire extinguishers, have one or more firearms on campus for emergency use only. Unlike fire extinguishers, hide and lock them so only authorized people will know their location and have a key to access them. Select faculty members would be screened and receive training. There would be a sign something like: "This school has lethal response capability on campus" to announce the fact that a deadly threat could be met with a deadly response.

Would such a system be useful in a case like Newtown? I think it would reduce the carnage. Like a fire extinguisher, its use would probably be too late to eliminate some damage that could be done. However, unlike a fire extinguisher, a potential shooter may be deterred from even trying in the first place. He would have no way to evaluate the degree of response he would meet... a far different cry from attacking a "gun-free" zone.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: RancherJack, 12/22/2012 10:49:22 AM     (No. 9079338)

Careful what you wish for, folks.

To Washington´s ears, you´re begging for the TSA to get involved

That really what you want?

And don´t start jibber jabber about no, no, no it´s armed teachers, etc you want ... Washington lusts for a private army equal to our military. You´re giving them carte blanche to make that a reality.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Redbone, 12/22/2012 10:53:46 AM     (No. 9079356)

Has conservatism gone absolutely insane? Armed guards at schools? You´re kidding, right? Arming Miss Cindy, the seventh grade English teacher. You´re farther out in the ozone than moonbeam Jerry.

If guns are to be outlawed, and that is what the people want, fine. But the Constitution MUST be amended. To allow the Constitution to be stepped on is the true evil. It would take centuries of daily attacks by these whackos to even come close to the murder perpetrated by just one authoritarian government.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: voxlapidis, 12/22/2012 10:54:57 AM     (No. 9079359)

In Baltimore County Md. The middle and high schools have a county police officer assigned to them. The officer is armed.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 12/22/2012 10:55:17 AM     (No. 9079360)

Build a donut shop in every school parking lot.

Next question ?

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Reply 35 - Posted by: LadyHen, 12/22/2012 10:57:11 AM     (No. 9079364)

Freedom stealing on all sides.... the price of freedom is this kind of small percentage, random violence and destruction. It´s horrible and sad but the reality of a free society. Only solution is to take away freedom and I will not ally myself with those forces no matter how they polish themselves up and slick up their campaign.

Best post I have seen on this topic PERIOD was by blogger Free Northerner, "The Price of Freedom." It was respectful but honest and pegged my feelings to a tee.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: oldvlc, 12/22/2012 11:08:24 AM     (No. 9079381)

I have several weapons for one major purpose. Cops carry M16 equivalents all the time. Disarm them of their "assault" weapons first. As our Dear Leader says, assault weapons are meant for combat. Does that mean civilian police forces are itching for combat with US citizens? And, btw, a retired cop most usually is an expert handgun marksman. In Virginia at least, just displaying a weapon is enough to draw fire from anyone. (It is called brandishing, and if you can brandish, you can shoot, thus get shot at.


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Reply 37 - Posted by: balogreene, 12/22/2012 11:11:07 AM     (No. 9079387)

Where Have Conservatives gone? If the people want to ban guns it´s okay?

By the way Miss Cindy in seventh grade English could very well be a vet home from Iraq, with a concealed carry. Apparently some states allow teachers to concealed carry in the schools. With proper training, I´m sure some teachers would be more than willing, and successful. Could they stop a slaughter, I don´t know.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Persecutor2, 12/22/2012 11:26:12 AM     (No. 9079425)

The fact is you can´t win with the Left. What is their go-to, knee-jerk, brain-dead response to guns? "Only the police and military [and occasionally, a´ la Rosie O´Donnell, trained security guards] should have guns." What is LaPierre suggesting? Put one of those policemen in a school--one of the very people the Left is always screaming should be exclusively allowed possession of a gun. What do the lefties say? Well, it´s Wayne LaPierre, and it isn´t a gun ban, so of course they say the idea is crazy. You can´t win with those people, LaPierre shouldn´t have bothered to try. I will say calling for armed teachers in this present moment would have been even more "tone-deaf", IMO, despite the obvious logic of the idea.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Butch59, 12/22/2012 11:28:19 AM     (No. 9079429)

The real question here is how do you balance freedom with safety? That´s the question, more or less, posed by Benjamin Franklin back when. The Constitution gives us the ability to maintain our freedom, but we have to have the will to use it. How do we protect our schools from dangerous people? I don´t have the answers. But, I reasonably sure that if we get together some who are capable in this area, a solution can be reached. Just like the Constitution Convention. Of course it won´t be perfect, but it just might put a stop to most of these tragedies.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Kate318, 12/22/2012 12:00:39 PM     (No. 9079478)

Mr. LaPierre´s speech sounded tone deaf to those whose minds have been numbed by decades of political correctness and liberal pablum. This is what a real man and a real leader sounds like. They actually offer solutions; solutions that have been tried in other places (Israel) and have worked. They are courageous enough to stand up for real change, no matter the hand wringing of the skittish. Somebody needs to start protecting the innocent, instead of leading the lambs to slaughter day after day after day. Many school teachers have a lot more guts than many who have posted here, and will do what it takes to protect their charges. Grow up and face the world in which you are living.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: hicokid, 12/22/2012 12:15:15 PM     (No. 9079491)

Hand guns are for yea-hoos. Lean a shotgun in the corner of each administrators´ office with double 00 buckshot in the desk drawer. In an emergency - load, point and shoot.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Staunch Repub, 12/22/2012 12:18:01 PM     (No. 9079493)

In contrast to the home page´snark´ comment for this article: The intent of the NRA idea is for the mentally ill person on the school grounds with the loaded weapon to be the first person shot (killed!) - - - not the "retired cop"....

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Staunch Repub, 12/22/2012 12:21:28 PM     (No. 9079499)

And can´t we change the ´debate´ to focus on the real issue - - the mentally ill? The fact that poor gun SAFETY (not control!) allows them to kill people is also relevant - - but more gun CONTROL is NOT going to help!! Anyone who is not a complete moron can just look at the city of Chicago´s NIGHTLY results to see how that is working out. (The same logic would be take away driver lic. of everyone who drives a red sports car after someone kills others on the highway with their red sports car...) DUH...

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Reply 44 - Posted by: berlin, 12/22/2012 12:22:25 PM     (No. 9079500)

A.B. Stoddard last night on FOX said LaPierre’s comment about armed guards at schools was “laughable”. That, of course, is an opinion expected to come from the gun-confiscation-crowd.

LaPierre, in fact, was proposing something that is common practice in Israel. Here’s a comment by an Israeli woman emailed to me this morning:

‘In Israel, as a result of our ongoing vulnerability to terrorist attack, our schools are all surrounded by locked gates and an armed guard stands in front of each school. Armed guards check our pocket books and the trunks of our cars as we enter shopping centers. For those who have visited Israel for the first time, this may seem a scary experience but for us it is just part of life. When guns are in the hands of the good guys, we are not frightened. We feel protected.’


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Reply 45 - Posted by: choey, 12/22/2012 12:57:23 PM     (No. 9079553)

I really don´t get the objections to police officers in the schools. We have had police in our schools here for several years and they have become an integrated part of school life. They are trained not only for police work but for relating to elementary and high school kids and they relate to the kids on an everyday and friendly level. When they got a new police car they had a contest with the high school kids to come up with a graphic design for it. It is quite attractive. The school cops are part of the school family.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: hershey, 12/22/2012 1:03:21 PM     (No. 9079556)

I´m one of the ´cops on the job´ although I´m not retired, yet.

I have to agree. I would LOVE to have two or three trained, armed, adults on premise with me during the day.

I know I´m the first one the shooter will come after and act accordingly. It is difficult to remain alert to everything all day and it does take a toll.

I walk the halls during class change and other times during the day. A plus is that some whacked out shooter will not know where I am at any given time since I vary my route all the time. I usually also wear a hoodie as a sort of ´blend in with the kids´ disguise.

We now have, at my request, regular road officers stopping by at the schools in our district when they are out on routine patrol. A bit of added security and presence.

That being said, some dumb arse posted some crap on Facebook and caused a false lockdown at a different school district yesterday, plus all the calls we got at our school from parents who also picked up on the facebook junk. For my money you can just shut facebook down.

Oh, and gun-free zones??? I don´t patronize those establishments...Applebees in Eau Claire is one that I ran across coming back from Canada, and yes, I was extremely uncomfortable without my weapon during that vacation. Although the fishing was great with 2 trophy fish caught...

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Reply 47 - Posted by: JustCause, 12/22/2012 1:07:36 PM     (No. 9079564)

Facts and/or solutions don´t matter to the left. That´s NOT their point. It may be their stated solution, but, like Obama, look at their/his actions. Their actions don´t match the statements.

They are happy to start an argument about the implementation (teachers w guns or armed guards patrolling the school) when they´re objective is to disarm the populace.

Then only criminals will have guns (along with the armed guards for the president, congress, mayors, celebrities, etc) and we will be Gun Free Zone Targets of Opportunity.

The 2nd Amendment was put in place to STOP the politicians from getting too big for their pants. It´s the ONLY thing stopping a dictatorship in America.

When you lead from behind, it means you don´t care about the guy in front.

When Seconds Count - Cops are Minutes Away

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin, 12/22/2012 1:15:47 PM     (No. 9079579)

You have to read the post on Monster Hunter Nation:

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

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Reply 49 - Posted by: absalom, 12/22/2012 1:19:41 PM     (No. 9079587)

#30 speaks reality, namely cost, for already overburdened taxpayers. How ´bout an armed guard in every classroom? When guns are the subject expect reason to leave the room and the emotion of zealots to enter. Respect for the law, its norms and rules, can derive from a religious impulse or culture. It can also emanate from fear, a very good thing. Great nations do not humor their enemies, internal or external. Wonder how Rome would have dealt w/this fandango? Doubt their Senate would have engaged in an interminable dabate among assorted goobers and weenies.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: Pepper Tree, 12/22/2012 1:24:30 PM     (No. 9079591)

Yesterday I had to go into the local Cabela´s store for last minute goodies, and what a scene. Polite customers waiting to be helped, shoulder to shoulder and six deep at the gun counter. The ammo aisles were jammed with with people ranging from couples with babies to 80 year olds.

Taking guns away from these folks won´t be as easy as taking away personal responsibility was from Obama´s base.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: iamtinman, 12/22/2012 1:30:27 PM     (No. 9079600)

#49, let me add an "Amen" to your comments. I also wouldn´t mind having some teachers carrying if they have been trained to respond to intruders.


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Reply 52 - Posted by: iamtinman, 12/22/2012 1:43:00 PM     (No. 9079614)

I don´t usually double post but it just struck me that the gerbils chanting that Columbine had an armed guard conveniently didn´t mention that the guard traded fire with the killers, driving them back into the library where they killed themselves, He likely save many lives and provided a defense until the rest of the police force could get there. I would take that over the slaughter of defenseless children.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: halfnorsk, 12/22/2012 2:14:54 PM     (No. 9079647)

Earlier in the week Barbara Boxer proposed placing Nat´l Guard troops at schools. What´s the difference between that and the NRA proposal?

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Reply 54 - Posted by: jackburton, 12/22/2012 2:25:59 PM     (No. 9079659)

What #2 said. And thanks to #56: I didn´t know that.

And what #15 said needs to be repeated and repeated.

Semi-automatically.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: terry_tr6, 12/22/2012 2:46:20 PM     (No. 9079676)

I cannot believe some of these posts. A perp would just kill the guard and then use the guards gun to commit the killings?Sheese, what did he kill the guard with, kindness?
A teacher who could not shoot someone knowing he is going to slaughter her classroom? What a paragon of moral virtue she is. Too bad the kids only have a minute or two to contemplate how virtuous she was.
A teacher who MIGHT freeze and not pull the trigger? Well, how about they might NOT freeze?
Guns locked up in a cabinet like a fire extinguisher? Hey Mr. Nutjob, can you come back tomorrow? Bob is out sick today and we don´t know where he keeps the keys to the gun safe.
Dang bunch of sheeple.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: federale, 12/22/2012 3:31:36 PM     (No. 9079725)

May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.



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Reply 57 - Posted by: SteelTurman, 12/22/2012 4:44:46 PM     (No. 9079794)

Sidwell Friends, where the Obama daughters go to school, is hiring ...

http://www.jobhustler.com/jobs/washington-dc/Security-Jobs/Special-Police-Officer.23.php

That´s in addition to the 6 Secret Service units that surround the school.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly, 12/22/2012 5:21:18 PM     (No. 9079827)

Sidwell Friends is a Quaker school. If a bunch of pacifists are hiring armed guards, maybe other schools should, too.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: JAN, 12/22/2012 7:07:43 PM     (No. 9079890)

Was the media just as unhinged when Presdient Clinton requested millions for the hiring of police officers for our public schools?

Just wondering.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/22/2012 8:06:10 PM     (No. 9079927)

The liberal media is reacting to a series of mass shootings and is pushing the liberal Democrat anti-gun political agenda by claiming that the NRA is unapologetic, but what should the NRA have to apologize for, as the NRA and any of its millions of members have never been involved in any mass shootings.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: racheyrach, 12/22/2012 8:33:04 PM     (No. 9079945)

There was an armed guard at columbine,a 15 year police vet, didn´t help. he was lunching in the car and when he did get shots off, he missed the target. not saying it was his fault, but i would imagine that would happen more often than not. during columbine, it was also during the assault ban, so we just need to have a serious discussion and find solutions. taking away guns is not the answer...

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Reply 62 - Posted by: Kayworthy, 12/22/2012 9:07:52 PM     (No. 9079970)

People forget this but the Colorado shooter rigged his apartment to kill many more. Point is you can´t protect yourself completely against a wily lunatic.

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Reply 63 - Posted by: jasmine, 12/22/2012 9:11:39 PM     (No. 9079973)

After making a bizarre video of himself, and after killing his father, Alvaro Castillo drove to his former high school in Hillsborough, NC.

Castillo was armed to the teeth, obsessed with Columbine, and bent on carrying out his very own massacre.

Question: What stopped his planned rampage on the school, with well over a thousand students inside?

Answer: Trained law enforcement. In this case, an armed deputy and an unarmed driver´s ed teacher who happens to be a retired state patrolman.

What the NRA is suggesting for all schools was already in place in Hillsborough. And it worked.

Had there been no armed officer, there would have been nothing to stop Castillo.

Nothing.




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Reply 64 - Posted by: lana720, 12/22/2012 11:29:47 PM     (No. 9080080)

Wayne waited a while to say anything.
When the left protests, they have no solutions, just noise. I am sick of them and their antics. They ARE the problem!
Anyone who can carry and doesn´t is a fool if they live in CC state. To have one in your car, makes no sense. You might get harmed on your way out the door in a bad situation.
Gun-free zones are like drug-free zones, fertile fields for the unstable.


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Reply 65 - Posted by: Pinchem, 12/22/2012 11:45:58 PM     (No. 9080088)

Attention Low IQ´d (or out right lying MSM: Your hypocrisy has been exposed.


Flashback: Clinton Requests $60 Million to Put Cops in Schools

In their zeal to rampage this left-wing agenda, the media has apparently forgotten that back in 2000, on the one-year anniversary of the Columbine shooting (which occurred with an assault weapons ban in place), President Clinton requested $60 million in federal money to fund a fifth round of funding for a program called "COPS in School," a program that does exactly what the NRA is proposing and the media is currently in overdrive mocking:

"Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for ´COPS in School,´

Let´s hear it from the MSM who are to America what NAMBLA are to children.


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Reply 66 - Posted by: NYbob, 12/23/2012 12:16:23 AM     (No. 9080105)

A creative school superintendent might put the word out that certain select substitute teachers are retired military and will be armed. That would cool the jets of at least a few mental defectives.

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Reply 67 - Posted by: peterfleming, 12/23/2012 1:54:05 AM     (No. 9080157)

So many examples of walled security, movie studios, most big governmet buildings, movie stars homes, school obama´s kids go to
airports, most big office buildings, most apartment buildings, on and on. Yet the bureaucrats don´t give a thought to protecting the kids. Imagine security trained and licensed janitorial workers,
physical ed instructors, packing any teacher who is familiar with guns, who wants to protect, and has training.
Where does all this extra cost come from? Easy, fire all the fat cat school board non teaching bureaucrats that sit downtown away
from any school, and do nothing. Fire these big time pentioners, and re-invest in various kinds of school protection security

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