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A GOP implosion
New York Post, by John Podhoretz

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 12/21/2012 1:20:49 PM

Pity John Boehner. Last night’s humiliating rebellion in the House only adds to his woes. The most powerful Republican in Washington has been looking at the calendar and the polls, and what he’s seen is this: 1) On Jan. 1, taxes automatically go up on everyone in America. 2) Everybody is going to blame the GOP if that happens. Has anyone ever been in a worse negotiating position? Oh, and don’t forget the heat he’s feeling from Republicans and conservatives who are calling him a weakling and a traitor, a monster, a coward, a sellout and whatever nasty adjectives they can come up with that will make

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Podhoretz is correct in that "we are mad as Hell and not going to take it anymore [hopefully]," from our chosen GOP elected leaders. If he is the most powerful Republican, he should know what we want and go after that solution, not whatever crumbs 0bama throws his way. The sooner Boehner accepts that it is a no-win proposition and let´s US go over the "fiscal cliff," the quicker those that survive can heal and maybe save our economy.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Javelin, 12/21/2012 1:37:20 PM     (No. 9078095)

Boehner may actually have won this round. Obama´s advisors must now know that the GOP will not fold as they assumed. To fix this, Obama must find something that some House Democrats will support.
That may not happen, but it is now a possibility when it was not before.


Reply 2 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/21/2012 1:45:11 PM     (No. 9078112)

Boehner is terrible and getting the truth out. He stands there with his pretty blue eyes and doesn´t hammer home the facts. You really have to fight through the force field of the msm, but he´s been given the job of doing that. He just doesn´t even seem to try.


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 12/21/2012 1:46:42 PM     (No. 9078116)

We´re all going over the cliff no matter what the bozos in DC agree on.

Get real folks-- inflation, taxation--more regulations-- and more demonization of the gOP is what´s in store for 2013.


Reply 4 - Posted by: sunsong, 12/21/2012 1:50:59 PM     (No. 9078124)

[[[The speaker’s doing what little he can with what little he has. Those conservatives who attack him for a sincere effort to manage an unavoidable defeat, or who are trying to raise money by using Boehner as a foil, are making an implicit case for their own marginalization.]]]


Reply 5 - Posted by: reilly, 12/21/2012 1:51:30 PM     (No. 9078125)


Let them blame anyone they want. The country is busted and if nothing is done it gets worse. Go over the falls now. It´ll be worse later.
I´ve stopped listening to anyone who writes or lives or votes in Washington DC. When DC crumbles, the US wins. Let it happen.


Reply 6 - Posted by: richwill, 12/21/2012 1:53:01 PM     (No. 9078127)

This country might as well as elected Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro. I know, they are not black enough.


Reply 7 - Posted by: AltaD, 12/21/2012 1:56:20 PM     (No. 9078130)

FTA: The speaker’s doing what little he can with what little he has.

If Plan B was the best he could come up with, he deserves what happened to him last night. The GOPers in the House were not sent there to be Dem-lite but that´s what Boehner wants them to be.

Also, is Podhoretz Boehner´s PR man?


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: Janjan, 12/21/2012 2:04:27 PM     (No. 9078143)

Boehner took it upon himself to hold secret negotiations with Obama on some very serious matters that impact the entire world economy and effectively locked out not only his own Party but the Americans they represent. We don´ have any more respect for his self-serving arrogance than we do Obama´s. Back room politics and game playing have a lot to do with how we got here. It´s not going to be fixed with more of it.


Reply 9 - Posted by: bvillr, 12/21/2012 2:05:02 PM     (No. 9078144)

Do Republicans really want their fingerprints on this rotten economy/budget situation?

Let Obama and the Dems own it. Be prinicipled for once. 2014 and 2016 are a long way off. Obama signed this deal into law - in fact it was his idea. So let the cuts happen and the taxes go up.


Reply 10 - Posted by: jubal, 12/21/2012 2:08:38 PM     (No. 9078151)

Has Speaker Boehner ever had an original thought on anything? Can anyone provide a single phrase or quote made by this Speaker on any subject?
Then why did we force him to take the job as Speaker of the House anyway?
Oh? We didn´t? He wanted to be Speaker? He ran for it on his own? Well, maybe that´s why he cries so much now. The job is too big for him. He has Peter Principled out.


Reply 11 - Posted by: JAN, 12/21/2012 2:19:35 PM     (No. 9078162)

Thank you #4


Reply 12 - Posted by: dman, 12/21/2012 2:23:09 PM     (No. 9078166)

In another time, Boehner would simply step down.

In another light: this "rebellion" highlights the potential effectiveness of a new political party that would deny majority status to either of the "bigs".


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 12/21/2012 2:32:20 PM     (No. 9078183)

Nobody in the GOP will challenge Boehner for the Speakership. At this point, they are afraid of their own shadow. I would expect to see Speaker Pelosi reemerge in Jan. 2015. If that happens watch out.


Reply 14 - Posted by: right-turn, 12/21/2012 2:48:33 PM     (No. 9078200)

Why cave to the spend and more spend dems led by Obama and his 4 million dollar vacation .. plus Mrs O and her 240,000 bucks just to transport her clothes. Start there. Then move on to the hundreds of aides added to the payroll for Obama and his spend happy wife.

I know it´s not much in relation to the debt but it better than nothing and better then spending more than we have.

Put the entire thing in the hands of the emperor and see what happens.


Reply 15 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 12/21/2012 3:08:08 PM     (No. 9078232)

It is time for Americans to recognize that their "do everything for everyone" government has a cost associated with it, and that cost is higher taxes. Maybe if more people had some skin in the game, we wouldn´t have reelected BO.


Reply 16 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/21/2012 3:15:52 PM     (No. 9078241)

I blame Obama and the democrats. Get the tar and feathers.


Reply 17 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/21/2012 3:29:58 PM     (No. 9078274)

The increases in taxes were approved by more Democrats than Republicans. Same with Sequester. The House passed a budget that didn´t raise taxes. Its pretty much only signed by Republicans. Podhoretz can blame the GOP all he wants, but Democrats who lose their job and/or see tax increases will have to wait for the Dems to propose a bill and win the votes. Don´t expect saving soon.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 12/21/2012 3:30:09 PM     (No. 9078275)

#4 speaks true.


Reply 19 - Posted by: horacer, 12/21/2012 3:34:44 PM     (No. 9078282)

I think it goes without saying Boehner´s in a tough spot. Plan B is not a bad alternative.

Boehner is a terrible tactician. He should never have agreed to negotiate one on one with the WH. He should have insisted that McConnell, Reid, Pelosi all enter the process and Dems lay their plans on the table.

In the end it doesn´t matter. Nothing will pass that will make much difference. Obama can defer tax rate increases for a few months with the stroke of a pen. Debt to GDP is 103%. Government spending will increase 10% or more this year. We´re doomed.


Reply 20 - Posted by: msjena, 12/21/2012 3:59:08 PM     (No. 9078322)

OK--now I am changing my mind again. No tax increases. If they go up on the "rich" they will never go down again. And it won´t increase revenues significantly because you can live pretty well on $999,999 and take the rest in deferred compensation or some other tax avoidance device.


Reply 21 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/21/2012 4:02:27 PM     (No. 9078331)

Hey John, keep wishing, maybe if you´re a good writer Santa will bring you something nice, but don´t bet on it!


Reply 22 - Posted by: tulipwood, 12/21/2012 4:16:17 PM     (No. 9078354)

I´d rather be ´marginalized´ then homogenized.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: Pearson365, 12/21/2012 4:34:24 PM     (No. 9078382)

With the news media performing what can only be viewed as unnatural editorial acts on Obama, the Repubs cannot "win" this month or early next month. They should simply stay with a no tax increase / reduce government size message. Do not compromise by raising rates on anyone. Instead, demand an actual budget for FY2013, which is already 3 months old. Call for a hiring freeze, an end to retirement benefits for federal employees with less then 10 years service, including Congress, a regulatory moratorium as of 116/12 (to kill the massive regs awaiting Obama´s reelection), and an end to capital projects such as new federal buildings. There´s more, but space doesn´t allow it.


Reply 24 - Posted by: Northern Redman, 12/21/2012 4:46:35 PM     (No. 9078390)

Don´t worry. The new Speaker of the House, Tom Price, will never agree to any tax increases until an equal amount of entitlement cuts are in place. Let´s go over the cliff and see how loud the 0bama supporters scream when their taxes go up, or more likely, their government checks go down.


Reply 25 - Posted by: olcap, 12/21/2012 5:39:59 PM     (No. 9078456)

The Boehner defenders are as harmful as Boehner himself is. The guy has been a total RINO and a failure to conservatives from day one.


Reply 26 - Posted by: oldsfc, 12/21/2012 6:24:29 PM     (No. 9078499)

Boehner looks out for Boehner. The problem is out of control spending, something wonder boy John can´t seem to figure out.


Reply 27 - Posted by: OhMy, 12/21/2012 7:14:32 PM     (No. 9078549)

Poor Boner was in a bad position which he set up for himself by botching the last debt ceiling negotiation with Obama. He is the author of his own predicament and gets no sympathy from me. The GOP is down 2-0 vs Obama. We need a leader to take on Obama on the debt ceiling. Boner already offered to cave on that. Get a real leader who will hold the line on the debt ceiling and fight him every inch of the way when he tries, as he already announced that he will, to take over the purse strings from the house.


Reply 28 - Posted by: jackburton, 12/22/2012 1:34:30 PM     (No. 9079606)

Ahem.

Ever see the movie ´Sophie´s Choice´?

Know what the choice was? Nuttin´.

Same as what Obie was offering Boehner.



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