The theory that Adam Lanza targeted an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., because his mother was going to have him committed was quickly disputed Tuesday. (Snip)Richard Flashman, a pastor at Beacon Hill Evangelical Free Church in nearby Monroe, was forced to put out a statement after his son told FoxNews.com that Lanza’s mother, Nancy, wanted to put him in a psychiatric facility. “I’ve just spoken to Josh,” Flashman said of his son, according to The Journal News. “As the Fox News article indicates, the information Josh spoke to them about was hearsay and not confirmed. I suggest
Comments: Joshua Flashman, 25, who is all over Google and social networks as an "aspiring actor and model", and son of a Newtown pastor, has been trying to make a public name for himself with his second hand rumor about Nancy Lanza´s "plan" to commit Adam. Flashman´s father is the one disputing it. Scam artists come with various schticks....
Suspicions confirmed. When will we know the true facts in this matter? It would be to everyone´s benefit if police would release facts as known to quell the rumors, speculation, and scams. There won´t be a trial, so just release information as soon as it is confirmed.
Weren´t the police telling us by Sunday that they had very good evidence of a motive? If they haven´t released the info yet it must reflect badly on the left. If it reflected badly on the right it would have been the only story in the media all week.
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Country Boy, 12/20/2012 1:07:41 AM (No. 9075521)
Title of the article "disputed" is very misleading
"the information Josh spoke to them about was hearsay and not confirmed. I suggest you do not run with the story."
Original reports state the request to commit the Adam Lanza were sealed (assume it´s the county court). If these documents are released, it will place the blame on the local government, state government. This story is about dysfunctional government, not gun control. We can´t "go there". This story will die soon.
#5, I hope it doesn´t die soon. Those of us in the mental health community have been shouting about the difficult laws for getting a deteriorating mentally ill person into treatment for years. Had legislators listened to us, Tucson would have been avoided. Aurora would have been avoided. Newtown would have been avoided. The stupidest thing legislators in all 50 states could do right now is bury their heads in the sand and ´hope´ it doesn´t happen again. It is guaranteed to happen again until families, mental health professionals and law enforcement can get people into treatment when they can clearly see they are deteriorating.
From the earliest reports Lanza had a dispute with 4 teachers at the school a few days before the attack. Three of the teachers were reportedly killed while one was absent that day and survived. My question is what was the nature of the dispute and why have we not heard more from the media? Also, what have they learned from Lanza´s ISP provider regarding his internet activity? Crickets...
I have lived with people who suffer from schizophrenia. If this was Lanza’s issue then his motive may have come from anywhere.
Our President has suggested that we bring a gun to the fight. He has suggested that we vote for revenge. It’s not beyond possibility that the next Lanza may take him up on that. If he does, I hope he leaves a note. It will change the debate.
If Adam Lanza turns out to have been schizophrenic, the onset would have most probably been in his late teens or early 20s. Thus all the blaming of his mother that has been going on here and elsewhere will turn out to have been misguided as well as very, very unkind.
Every report from everyone who knew them said that he was strange and displayed signs of what many of us know as autism or Asperger´s. The awful report from the barber that he wouldn´t look at him, just looked down? Not unusual with either syndrome. And those persons are not given to violence.
Many are making fools of themelves over this tragedy. I am sorry to see any of us here do the same. We are supposed to be a more intelligent, discerning crowd who don´t trust everything we read or hear in the media. It may take a long time for this tragedy to unfold. We may never know the reason. Do we always have to?
You can say one thing about the socialist liberals , they have zero common sense . They´ll keep attacking the messenger when the obvious goes right over their heads . If anyone at that school had had a weapon and used it , none of the attacks on the 2nd amm. would be happening . No speculations , no nothing . That is WHY , among other reasons , our Founders gave it to us .
Most of the original stories have been disputed, including the one at #9 about his having had a fight with the teachers at the school.
Other than his possibly having attended the school a number of years earlier, he and his mother had no connection with the school nor had they had any recent contact with it.
The media - including Fox - was so desperate to fill those awful empty hours that they gave an audience to anyone who called them with a tip, with no confirmation required.
As Lucianne remarks in her tagline, there is a good reason for double-sourcing everything one hears. Flashman´s father knew this when he heard his son had blathered to Fox about a rumor. He may know that HIS son has problems.
With the "facts" changing from day to day in this story, we may never understand why the gunman did what he did.
One thing I do understand better is that mental illness is a difficult thing and is especially hard for those who love the affected person. It appears that the shooters in Arizona, Colorado and Connecticut all suffered from mental illness and none of them were able to receive adequate treatment. Thanks to all the parents and professionals who have shared their stories and helped us understand that we need to have a national dialog about the the way we treat potentially-violent mentally ill people. Civil liberties are important, but so is public safety. We need a change in the laws and policies that deal those with mental illness. I don´t know what that should be, but we need to talk about it.
If video games can program someone with these two syndromes, or one-aspergers or autism, I wonder if a different kind of video game could program an autistic kid to be in the main-stream? Also what about the "cloud", Don´t some of the corporations use the cloud for storage of info whether the subscriber know or not. We hear stories that even "destroyed" computers have been able to be re-contituted. That there are chip or circuit areas that store thatare not the hard drive. Did this murderer ever have a creditt card or an online account.
A: They were both scenes of murder that happened because security was botched.
When schools were declared gun free zones by well-meaning but naïve liberal lawmakers, the stage was set for crackpots, lunatics or terrorists to slaughter our most vulnerable and innocent. Herding children together in schools and leaving them without protection is foolish in the extreme, but the Kumbaya crowd felt good about themselves when they anointed the schools sites with peace and love and none of those ugly instruments of death.
It seems to me that this dysfunctional family had at it´s core a father who was not actively in his kid´s life. We don´t know why; perhaps the mom was a control freak, perhaps the dad just couldn´t take it and left, or perhaps the dad wanted to have his fun and walked out of the family. As a divorced single parent raising my kids without their dad living in the same state, it´s really tough. And my kids are not mentally ill. Sounds like the GE executive paid his ex off to get away from his kid. Congratulations on an epic failure of parenting. I don´t know why nobody is talking about the father´s responsibility, after all, the kid´s last name is LANZA.
My husband had surgery yesterday in a hospital which is a gun free zone with signs posted on both sides of every entrance. As I sat in the crowded cafeteria waiting for him to be moved to his room I couldn´t help but think how easy it would be for some wacko who was ticked at his doctor to waltz in there and mow down dozens of doctors, nurses, technicians etc. If there were security guards in the building, they weren´t in evidence.
I was suspicious of Flashman´s claims too. We may eventually find out whether Mrs. Lanza was applying for conservatorship (apparently those records are sealed, but perhaps with the death of the persons involved, the record will become public).
As bad as the MSM have been in their reporting, I´ve come to expect that. I´m more disappointed in the reaction of people posting comments on websites such as this one.
Posters have made dozens of angry assertions --especially against Lanza´s mother and his father -- based on assumptions they cannot assume.
And then we´ve had the parade of self-appointed experts who presume to lecture on "mental health" topics ... everything from Asperger´s and so-called schizophrenia to what medications Adam Lanza should have been taking (or conversely should not have been taking), or whether he should already have been locked away, etc ad absurdam.
There´s an old an adage about writing angry letters, then locking them in a desk drawer and never posting them. Some of our angry accusations, based on little knowledge, should face the internet equivalent of the locked drawer.
Apparently he killed himself after someone got there with a gun and he knew he was about to be killed. In this case that someone happened to be the Police but only after quite a few minutes of his unchallenged killing spree.
In an unrelated incident at a Utah shopping mall, a week before, a gunman killed himself after another shopper made him aware that he had a gun and was preparing to shoot the gunman.
This leads to the conclusion that perhaps if everyone had been packing a gun in full view in both instances, the gunmen would have realized that any killing spree would be instantly challenged and they would have just killed themselves at the start and no one else would have had to die.
All these mass killings are for the same reason or motive. These people all want their 15 minutes of fame and the lying media are more than willing to kill many in order to sell their media. This also means the next killing has to be worse than the last to make the big time.
As for the goth-Satan stuff that the Daily Mail is pushing (it is a tabloid, folks - and sensationalism is what they do) it too is without basis, like most of the other rumors we´ve been subjected to. And some are intent on perpetuating as fact.
Shouldn´t we be getting ready for Christmas? And leaving these people alone?
I agree that the reported facts change daily with every new story I read. First there were three weapons. Then two pistols, the Glock and Sig Sauer, and the Bushmaster in the car. Then it was four weapons. This article says Lanza killed them with an assault weapon, no mention of pistols. Was the Sig Sauer a pistol or assault weapon?
mentally ill, is mentally ill...whether brillant or not, it can not be fixed, it can only be medicated. when the medicines don´t work sometimes you must commit, sometimes not...but like a toddler you NEVER take your eyes off them...you do not teach them to shoot guns and leave them in the basement to play games all day with no human contact...there was plenty of money, but was God a part of Adam Lanza´s life? this mother thought she could love and care for her son, failing to realized the forces of adulthood changed her fragile, timid boy into an angry, frustrated, devil until it was too late...and 20 babies were stolen from their mothers.
# 6 Bingo. We have a winner. To paraphrase Carville-" It´s about mental health, Stupid " and not guns. Lanza could have made a bomb or set a fire or run down the children with his car , as they were crossing the street. Because of his illness , I doubt we will ever know what his motive was and what triggered it. He probably didn´t even know. The media is trying to find rational answers to the irrational. While the Democrats and the media obsess about guns, there are other Lanzas out there , in waiting. Too bad Obama didn´t spend Stimulus money on studies of the mentally ill, especially the issues of the disturbed young males, including treatment, proper diagnosis , genetic and biological influences , testing , commitment issues, lack of facilities, new medications, etc. In fact ,Obamacare will probably stifle any advances in this area. And Newtown´s horrible and inaccurate reporting has reinforced the abysmal state of the media today.
I keep getting the impression the majority of the information regarding Adam Lanza is not true. Some of the stories seem contradictory.
He was mentally ill, and killed 26 people before killing himself. His involvement with guns and video games are probably true. Beyond that???
He isn´t rational so don´t expect a rational motive.
Probably can come up with hundreds of motives and they would all be wrong.
He played computer games? Did he play online computer games? Did he have regular contact with anyone online? Its been reported he destroyed his computer hard drive. Why? Did his computer crash? Did mother turn off the internet to get him off the computer? Did he have a disagreement with someone online?
He seemed to have a ´comfort zone´, and something happened to take him out of it.
First question, Qui Bono?, who benefits? Obviously the socialist fascist communist fanatics that want all private ownership of guns turned into a crime...that´s who qui bonos! Ties in with Heilary´s openly UN threats to take power over sovereign America to confiscate guns and close down the internet. If you´re Heilary, this professionally delivered slaughter could not have come a better time with Congress asleep at the cliff switch, and Obama acting like the bi-pass Congress dictator he wants to be. Next question, have you looked at the rich history of MK Ultra, imported post WWII German scientists who developed mind control for the State ? Sinatra and Frankenheimer’s MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, viewing now would be mindful of staged “patsy” assassinations. Even better! the second Manchurian candidate starring Denzel with needle injections in the brain, both with a mother who is the CIA “handler” of the patsy who is predictably killed. One more, TELEFON, Don Siegel directed Charles Bronson’s classic film about KGB brain washed who kill with a simple phone call. All big violence, draws gun cliche confiscation aftermath, even when guns are not used. Waco, Oklahoma’s Mc Murrah building, 9-11, other school killings where there is NO armed protection. Was Lanza masked? Was there more than one shooter? Is it conceivable that Newtown was staged?
1. Bad rare events make for exceptionally bad laws when people react emotionally alone and not rationally.
2. Hypocrisy of the media in not being overly concerned that many more people are killed in gun-controlled Chicago, and not all of them gangbangers. Can it be that reporters and editors are WHITE liberals who harbor a racist low expectation of law-abiding behavior among black inner city people?
3. Newtown murders would be dwarfed by government sanctioned killing if tomorrow Obama declared a dictatorship and could enforce it by taking away guns from the citizenry. It is not an impossibility. We have seen how Moochelle tries to ram down her vision of a healthy diet on school kids. These people obviously think they are smarter and therefore have the right to push their agenda into the personal lives of others. They also have shown the cold calculative disregard for the lives of those they are supposed to govern by their actions in the F&F fiasco and Benghazi.
I do not know what happened and will not guess or post another response on the subject. This is fast becoming the kind of posting frenzy based on no quality information this site endured after the Utah kidnapping of Miss Smart . The threads became more and more vicious toward her parents and religion until it was hard to even believe the posters even cared about truth. All the vindictive rants were proven totally opposite than what was a real stranger kidnapping. Fights to change the Constitution should not be conducted using families in grief and sorrow. Citizens should not use the sorrow to make political points.
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