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Topic: The Times Embarrasses Itself on Guns–Again! |
The Times Embarrasses Itself on Guns–Again!
Power Line, by John Hinderaker
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Posted By:Dreadnought, 12/18/2012 10:53:20 PM
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| It’s too bad the members of the New York Times editorial board don’t sign their editorials. If they did, we could ridicule them by name. The Times, as an institution, has chosen to place ideology above accuracy. That decision was on display yesterday when the paper editorialized–how many times is it now, one wonders?–against guns. The headline sums up the paper’s point: “In Other Countries, Laws Are Strict and Work.” America, in the view of the Times, is the ugly stepchild among the world’s nations
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Shadow722, 12/18/2012 11:51:54 PM (No. 9073615)
We protect our Mayors with men with guns; we protect our Governors with men with guns; We protect the House and the Senate and President, with men with guns; We protect our courts, our banks, our jewelry stores, our sports arenas, and our pawn shops, all with men with guns....
However, Our most precious possessions, our children we protect with a piece of paper and a sign(Guns Free Zone Law).
Now in response to the slaughter of 20 innocents, we propose to punish those (gun owners) who are innocent, and protect our most cherished possession, our children, with a another piece of paper (a new gun law).....
This is insanity...
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
namvet66, 12/19/2012 12:13:18 AM (No. 9073626)
I´ll amen that Shadow. All a gun free zone does is let felons know there is no opposition.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Charactercounts, 12/19/2012 1:00:19 AM (No. 9073645)
Agree, #1.
We even have our "celebrities" protected by guns. Recall Rosie O´Donnell arguing with Tom Selleck about guns on her TV show, and we later found out Rosie´s own bodyguard carried a gun!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
NMPatriot, 12/19/2012 1:22:23 AM (No. 9073658)
Indeed, how does an idiot become a billionaire?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
woofwoofwoof, 12/19/2012 1:23:01 AM (No. 9073661)
Excellent article.
Basically NONE of the "facts" in the NYTimes article are accurate, it´s the ranting of lunatics - or liars.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
flatwater, 12/19/2012 3:15:04 AM (No. 9073685)
Oddly enough, when things are going horribly, horribly wrong, we frequently call....
....people with guns.
Odder still, those people with guns (and badges) usually don´t get there in time to prevent the carnage.
Why are there chalk outlines on the sidewalk?
Because the Police are usually five minutes away.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Spidey, 12/19/2012 4:07:10 AM (No. 9073693)
The left is obsessed with creating a culture of sitting ducks.The left thinks there´s never been a better time to wipe republicans off the map then now. So any issues coming up is going to be met by the swarm media pushing their absolutist theories.
I don´t have a problem with more through background checks but something like that isn´t good enough for the left.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
4Justice, 12/19/2012 4:16:52 AM (No. 9073694)
Great article...the Slimes shows once again that they are merely the propaganda arm of the totalitarian communist tyrants.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Trigger2, 12/19/2012 4:33:32 AM (No. 9073704)
The NY Slimes...all the lies fit to print. Is Barry slipping them money to keep them afloat? Enquiring minds want to know.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Altoona, 12/19/2012 5:33:45 AM (No. 9073723)
Barry and the Saudis both would be my guess.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
rabbit, 12/19/2012 5:51:17 AM (No. 9073732)
Dumb article. No, Russia is not a "wealthy" country. And as is so often the case, the article ignores the simple fact that the rationale behind gun violence is very different among violent subcultures, such as parts of Chicago or Soweto, and the seriously mentally ill suffering from delusional thinking. The solutions are very different for these groups. For the mentally ill, making it more difficult to access guns will save lives - not only of strangers, such as in this horrible tragedy, but also it will reduce suicides and murder of the families of the people with these illnesses. On the other hand, violent subcultures require a completely different approach in which violence is not equated with manhood.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Janjan, 12/19/2012 6:55:29 AM (No. 9073793)
Criminals don´t register their guns. The purpose behind ´gun control´ is to prevent law abiding citizens from owning them. And that is the real liberal agenda.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
fljack, 12/19/2012 7:06:28 AM (No. 9073808)
The entire MSM embarrasses itself on guns, again and again, but the gullible lap it up. It also embarrasses itself on economics, and again these same gullible lap it up. The list goes on, and these same gullible elected King Barrack I.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
LZK, 12/19/2012 7:13:54 AM (No. 9073819)
Just found out yesterday that the most powerful alderman in Chicago, alderman ed burke, is a trained private detective and can "carry a semi/automatic" weapon".....
Surprise -- surprise!! He wants to "restrict" MY carry -- but HE can carry because he´s "special".... Watch his vote on the gun law in Illinois....
Hypocrits!! Looks like I´ll be applying for a private/eye´s license.....
LZK
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
bigken2, 12/19/2012 7:23:05 AM (No. 9073834)
every dam won of these make up your own word for them has armed body gards or a carry permit or both libs are unbelable and more so every day
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
bubby, 12/19/2012 7:27:28 AM (No. 9073841)
#1 & #12 are right on and so are the rest. The only way to stop someone with a gun is for someone else with a gun to do it. The problem is today too few people conceal carry. We must be willing and able to stop evil doers from doing evil. Far too many of us are unwilling and unable to confront evil and rely on others to do that for us. Gun free zones are nothing but killing zones for those bent on harming others and doing evil. Evil does exist as we just saw in CT.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
hot coffee, 12/19/2012 7:59:10 AM (No. 9073900)
If they´re going to take away our guns, can they at least have the common courtesy to start with the inner city gang bangers?
They´re the ones committing 99+% of the gun violence, and their guns are unregistered and therefore already illegal.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Coy860, 12/19/2012 8:00:47 AM (No. 9073903)
Dianne Feinstein had a cc permit and carried. (Go to Mark Levin show.com to listen to her speech). Chuck Schumer had an unrestricted pistol permit. Harry Reid carried "everywhere he went". How about a sworn statement from every Congresscritter showing WHO carries what. These jerks are going to make LAW to prevent us from owning guns, but be exempt, as they are with Obamacare?
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
suncitypro, 12/19/2012 8:02:46 AM (No. 9073906)
#1--I can´t say anything to improve on your post--insanity is very accurate.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
gwmcclintok, 12/19/2012 8:31:23 AM (No. 9073958)
This is why schools are safe in Israel.
http://imgur.com/fdZSw
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Barbarian Heretic, 12/19/2012 8:33:31 AM (No. 9073964)
Wasted breath... facts are irrelevant in the face of panic and widespread demands to "do something"...
Remember- we often ridicule the Left for empty gestures such as Ribbons and Vigils- things that have no tangible meaning, yet make the ribbon-wearer or candle-lighter feel as though they have "done something".
The Leftist elite- led by Obama - will now take advantage of the sheeps´ desire to "do something" by proposing Unconstitutional measures to restrict weapons, based on the emotional and fact-free editorials like that of the NYT...
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
TheMotherCO, 12/19/2012 8:53:22 AM (No. 9074008)
I do not think I would get a permit to carry a gun now. I do not want the government donkeys to know it. I do not have a gun now because right arm and hand do not work right and have no strength in those appemdages. I live in a good neighborhood and don´t worry too much, but I would feel better if I had a lightweight gun available. Ask around and I bet you can get guns from other sources.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Mr. Know-It-All, 12/19/2012 9:00:28 AM (No. 9074025)
#1 nails it.
Laws will not STOP anybody from doing anything. They only justify society in punishing those who do break the laws, and hopefully keep us safer by taking the lawbreakers out of the general population.
But they can stop nothing. Just go out driving today and watch all the people who are speeding or punching through red lights right after the light changes. They are not stopped.
If merely passing a law makes that behavior stop we would not even be having this discussion since murder has been illegal in all civilized societies for centuries.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
OhMy, 12/19/2012 9:03:01 AM (No. 9074031)
The left wants themselves protected but no protection or self defence for others. Many jurisdictions also outlaw pepper spray as a defence! What is the possible objection to that? People should be content to be robbed or killed and all means of defence should be outlawed, just wait till the police get there! Mark Levin featured clips of the hypocrites Harry Reid and Feinstein admitting they carry and have guns for self defence.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
wherewithal, 12/19/2012 9:03:20 AM (No. 9074032)
Take a look at gun usage in European crimes.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Clover, 12/19/2012 9:18:10 AM (No. 9074064)
How many lives would have been saved if the principal had a gun locked up in her office?
Rosie O´Donnell raked Tom Selleck over the coals about guns. Her attitude was so nasty that she appeared to become red in the face. Then it was revealed her body guard had a "gun".
We are surrounded by hypocrites starting with Congress! As a famous president once said "There you go again.....".The government is never going to stop with trying to control guns. And never stop trying to destroy our Constitution. Their shame is mighty.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Grambo, 12/19/2012 9:23:42 AM (No. 9074079)
The Newtown tragedy could only happen in a gun-free-zone. Liberals are proud to make the repositories of children gun-free-zones, (while humming Kumbaya). Then, when tragedy strikes at their gun-free-zone school, they blame innocent citizens down the street,who deliberately make their children’s home a safe, non-gun-free-zone.
As with stupid, you can’t fix Liberalism.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
FunOne, 12/19/2012 9:23:45 AM (No. 9074080)
In the summer of 2011, at an island youth camp in Norway, we had the utopia of a gun-free zone.
When the deranged killer arrived, there were no guns to protect the innocent. 80 died in that totally gun-free environment.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Bobn.T, 12/19/2012 9:58:16 AM (No. 9074178)
Take guns away from law abiding citizens. How is that going to stop criminals, including political criminals?
Anyone with common sense can think of dozens of ways criminals and the mentally ill can inflict severe harm on the public in gun-free zones.
The previous posters are correct. The objective of gun control is to remove guns from our society.
Why do we not hear anything about 50,000 people dying on the roads because of drunk drivers - drunk drivers without guns and innocent victims without guns, after all, highways should be gun free.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
BocaLaura, 12/19/2012 9:59:13 AM (No. 9074180)
Lack of guns wouldn´t have deterred Lanza. He was evidently smart enough to make a bomb or concoct a poison to accomplish his murderous goal.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Quiet Observer, 12/19/2012 10:06:53 AM (No. 9074205)
Question: What caused Adam Lanza to stop shooting innocent children and shoot himself? Answer: His fear of people (police officers) with GUNS!
Question: What lesson should we learn from this? Answer: That people with guns are an amazingly effective deterrent.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 12/19/2012 10:22:43 AM (No. 9074238)
At some point sanity will return to America. A wise man with a plan will STILL have his guns. If sanity does not return to America the wise man will need those weapons . Have a plan sooner than later.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
wherewithal, 12/19/2012 10:27:56 AM (No. 9074249)
Europe doesn´t have this problem does it?
Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 in Norway on July 22, 2011
Derrick Bird killed 12 and wounded 11 in a shooting spree in Northwest England in June 2010.
Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed 8 in high school in Finland on November 7, 2007.
Robert Steinhaeuser killed 13 high school teachers, 2 classmates, and 1 policeman in Germany on April 26, 2002.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
weejun, 12/19/2012 10:41:10 AM (No. 9074273)
As the holder of a concealed carry permit, I make sure I have a weapon on me when I go to certain areas and events. I could not live with myself if I were involved in a situation where some criminal or idiot decided to kill innocent people and I had no ability to at least try and prevent it. On the other hand, the day I got my permit, I realized the sober responsibilities of carrying a concealed weapon, and that the day I have to use it will be the worst day of my life. As a result, I am determined to do ANYTHING I can before resorting to drawing my weapon and using it. And guess what? That´s the attitude of the vast MAJORITY of those of us who have CCPs. But to the libs, I am, by definition, "unstable" and a danger to society. Bring it on libs: let´s see you try and disarm 45-55 million Americans. You are going to need a very large military/police force to do so.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
roger h. cook,MD, 12/19/2012 10:47:00 AM (No. 9074287)
The WSJ today article on the op-ed page outlines where or killing problems come from and not just with gund , knives cars ball bats ,ect. Mental problems of people and loss of places to take care of them.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
RancherJack, 12/19/2012 10:59:36 AM (No. 9074309)
#1
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
chicodon, 12/19/2012 11:04:50 AM (No. 9074323)
* In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. This doesn´t include the 30 million ´Uncle Joe´ starved to death in the Ukraine.
* In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, leaving a populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of thousands died as a result.
* China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. The total dead are said to be 2-3 million
* Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1-2 million ´educated´ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
NYbob, 12/19/2012 11:21:02 AM (No. 9074355)
I´d suggest a 12 gauge shotgun in the principals offices in every US school. Oh, it would shoot low-recoil bean bag shells, if anyone gets incoherent over the mere idea of a shotgun in a school. IF the principal doesn´t seem like the type of person who could handle such a device, that´s a big part of your problem right there. Reality says even an unloaded shotgun, drastically revises the mental script of a criminal. I´d also suggest a ´last stand´ Taser for each classroom teacher. They would be limited to 15 feet or so, but it would be better than a lock or window that could be breached. Again, if it seems like they can´t handle the responsibility, that school has a problem.
As for the times and the barking sheeple who think disarming law abiding neighbors is a great idea, compare Vermont and New York state. NY is a gun control advocates dream and VT their worst nightmare. Been that way for decades. Compare crime, advocates, NYT, I dare you.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Udanja99, 12/19/2012 11:27:59 AM (No. 9074368)
I´m going to print out this thread and carry it with me to show to leftist idiots. Especially posts 1 and 34.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
Jubilationtcornpone, 12/19/2012 11:59:46 AM (No. 9074429)
Let me give you this hypothesis: What if the 27-year-old kindergarten teacher - who is rightfully being hailed as a hero for using her body to try to shield her students from the gunman - had instead pulled a pistol from her purse and shot the gunman dead before he could harm anyone in the classroom? Would she still be hailed a hero or castigated as a reckless gun owner?
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
LAW428, 12/19/2012 2:09:04 PM (No. 9074665)
Posts #1 and #12 are right on the money! Here´s a quote for thought:
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar Joseph Story, 1840
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
Marzon, 12/19/2012 5:21:20 PM (No. 9075012)
This psycho was willing to kill his own mother to get a gun and the liberals think another gun law would have stopped him?
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
virbots, 12/19/2012 5:32:27 PM (No. 9075031)
Doesn´t Connecticut already have among the strictest gun control laws in the country?
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
kenecarroll, 12/19/2012 5:57:28 PM (No. 9075069)
I´ll give them my gun when they can put a policeman in my back pocket with his gun. Until then a policeman / woman is nothing more than that....to police, and in the military that means to clean up.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
globalwarmer, 12/19/2012 6:09:43 PM (No. 9075090)
They not only embarrassed themselves on guns, they once again picked the most outstanding Marxist for "Person of the Year".
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
leopardtwo, 12/19/2012 6:23:27 PM (No. 9075104)
Fact: the Columbine H.S. massacre took place in 1999, that is, in the MIDDLE of the Klintoon-Feinschwein ´assault weapons´ ban. Worked great, eh, lefties?
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
rexhandsom, 12/19/2012 8:33:53 PM (No. 9075263)
Reply # 1 Should be a blanket, that covers it all.
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While many Americans were tuned into news coverage of the massive damage from tornadoes ravaging the state of Oklahoma, Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse took to the Senate floor to rail against his Republican colleagues for denying the theory of anthropogenic global warming. Whitehouse spent 15 minutes chastising GOP senators and justified his remarks by alluding to states that seek federal assistance in the wake of natural disasters. “So, you may have a question for me,” Whitehouse said. “Why do you care? Why do you, Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, care
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