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Topic: Parents Say Christmas Carols are Form of Bullying |
Parents Say Christmas Carols are Form of Bullying
Fox News, by Todd Starnes
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Posted By:KarenJ1, 12/18/2012 11:29:03 AM
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| A group of parents in Missoula, Mont. are upset over the religious nature of Christmas songs performed at a local elementary school – alleging the songs about the Baby Jesus is unconstitutional and a “form of bullying.” (Snip) The parents, who declined to be identified, are threatening to sue the Missoula County Public School District unless songs like “Joy to the World” and “Good Christian Men Rejoice” are replaced with secular tunes. “Bullying is such a hot topic, yet that seems to be what is occurring here,” the parents wrote in a letter obtained by The Missoulian.
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Comments: It grieves me so what is becoming of our nation and how leftists are being allowed to destroy it.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
civilservant, 12/18/2012 11:34:14 AM (No. 9072621)
Tyranny of the minority. We lost our Country.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Observer177, 12/18/2012 11:43:54 AM (No. 9072640)
They don´t like the Christian "bullying," let them take their little brats out of school, and go live on an island somewhere, where they can dance naked around a Maypole, howl at the moon, or whatever.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
VinGoombatz, 12/18/2012 11:44:01 AM (No. 9072641)
There is no such thing as nonideological content.
To say expression of ideology is bullying is to say that any expression of ideology is bullying.
I wonder if a judge can figure that out.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
ArthurDent, 12/18/2012 11:44:18 AM (No. 9072644)
Well, I think SOMEBODY is acting like a bully, but it´s the kid yelling "I´m gonna tell my dad" all the time.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
6079 Smith, W, 12/18/2012 11:50:12 AM (No. 9072659)
But aren´t these the same people who claim to be for tolerance and diversity and open mindedness and trying to see the other persons side?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
GhostofChesterton, 12/18/2012 11:50:12 AM (No. 9072658)
My guess is last Friday´s shooter didn´t like Christian references in public schools either. Learning about peace on earth and good will toward your fellow man will really harsh your buzz.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
dman, 12/18/2012 11:53:02 AM (No. 9072669)
The ACLU is a form of bullying.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
tnorling, 12/18/2012 11:53:34 AM (No. 9072670)
Good grief. Can you imagine having one of these pills as a neighbor? The left is sooo tolerant, not.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh, 12/18/2012 11:57:11 AM (No. 9072682)
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
tomanderson61, 12/18/2012 11:58:06 AM (No. 9072685)
Absolutely #8. They´re your neighbors that think your fence is too tall or your trees are too close to the property line, so they sic your HOA or city inspector on you, while they let their own cats roam to pee up your car wheels and poop up your garden. They´re the ones that complain about your smoking while their kids are taking dope in their basement. Their kids are the high school bullies that when they finally meet their match and get their rear ends handed to them, they scream foul and want to sue.
Yeah, those kinds of people.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
NorthernDog, 12/18/2012 11:58:10 AM (No. 9072686)
They sound like liberals who moved to Montana from somewhere else, now want to impose their own views on everyone else. Why not just ask if their precious kiddies can be excused from any Christmas-themed activities (including the 2 weeks off of school)?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
tomanderson61, 12/18/2012 11:59:14 AM (No. 9072690)
FInd out who the parents are, get the rest of the neighbors to sing a whole bunch of Christmas carols outside their homes all night.
Freedom of speech.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
pearlyjo, 12/18/2012 12:00:18 PM (No. 9072693)
My opinion? We let the left hijack Christmas a long time ago. So, let´s take it back. We allowed them to take it over and redefine it and distribute it to us as they see fit and it is barely recognizable today. We let Hollywood tell us how our Christmas should be. We let the retailers tell us how our Christmas should be. We let the music industry tell us how our Christmas should be. Now we let the government tell us how our Christmas should be. I say enough. Take it back. That means taking back your money as well. Do that and you´ll have a real Come to Jesus moment for everyone involved.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
veritas, 12/18/2012 12:01:56 PM (No. 9072697)
"Parents" who inculcate in their [very, very unlucky] kids the attitude that any perceived difference must be bullying are guilty of child abuse at best.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh, 12/18/2012 12:02:20 PM (No. 9072699)
Sorry, this country is majority rule. If that wasn´t the case we could have easily gotten rid of BO´s progressive idiocy. Instead we are stuck with it. We are still largely a Christian nation and it is manifestly clear that the Country was not set up to exclude God from our public institutions but to prevent the government from imposing a form of worshiping on us.
More PC run amok.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
45_Auto, 12/18/2012 12:02:39 PM (No. 9072702)
I´ll help you guys sing. Where do we meet?
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
The Architect, 12/18/2012 12:04:12 PM (No. 9072706)
It sounds to me like they somehow have not gotten the memo that Christmas is a religious holiday. The first half of the word is "Christ". People who seek to be offended usually manufacture their own reasons to be offended.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Patchy Groundfog, 12/18/2012 12:06:47 PM (No. 9072711)
´Bullying´ has become the tiresome buzzword for anything that our self-esteem culture feels threatened by as a result of their own insecurities.
It is not synonymous with negative feedback but they believe it is.
What are Montanans doing joining the blue state atheist dross anyway?
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
beth, 12/18/2012 12:09:03 PM (No. 9072715)
These parents need to look in a mirror. Then they will see what a real bully looks like.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Momma Walton, 12/18/2012 12:09:05 PM (No. 9072716)
How sad to see the world/country today!
These parents are stealing the faith that their children need and they will be held accountable. They wouldn´t like heaven either where we will continually rejoice and be glad in the presence of Jesus, our Lord/Savior.
Is this the party of choice? They want US to belive they really care about US!
Why would we not want a little bit of Joy to come into this world. That´s what God did - sending His only-begotten Son, Jesus, to redeem US from the Satanic power that had governed the earth since Adam chose him over God.
Pray for America. We need salvation from within, knowing in Whom we believe, allowing God to rule/reign in our hearts and then we can/will be the blessed nation we once were.
History proves that those who dishonor God suffer destruction for they have no one to rely upon other than their own selfish hearts.
How can singing carols be a form of bullying? Only in the hearts of those so hateful that they are looking for excuses to spread their athiestic agenda, where God is denied and political correctness is the law of the land.
Pray for Amerca! We are in perilous times! This is how it was before Jesus came. He set us free.
Do not squander your freedom and let the ACLU bullies demand we submit or else.
God´s Kingdom is within and one day we will know the power we have because Jesus reigns here and hereafter.
Pray for America! We are in dire need of a Savior.
Jesus alone is our salvation!
Joy to the world, the Lord has come! Amen
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
afherkdriver, 12/18/2012 12:09:48 PM (No. 9072720)
Ref to #11, they probably moved there from Minnesota, New York, or California.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Chuzzles, 12/18/2012 12:10:36 PM (No. 9072722)
If the joyful expression of my Christianity is bullying, and these people don´t like Christmas, have they volunteered to work Christmas day yet? With no time & 1/2 for the holiday? After all, isn´t it just another day to them?
Morons. Let them homeschool. Keep their liberal virus to themselves.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Blue-Z-Anna, 12/18/2012 12:10:45 PM (No. 9072724)
Sell all your toys and get rural.
Geographic separation from the opinions of others works wonders.
Here´s the bad news: The "Establishment" clause of our Constitution does suggest that the government, in all of it´s manifestations, resist the impulse to promote or ´establish´ ANY religion. This is a powerful defense against Islam.(and Sharia) It also requires that we not ask the government to promote our own favorite religions and their ceremonial expressions.
Doesn´t that seem reasonable ?
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
wilarrbie, 12/18/2012 12:15:43 PM (No. 9072735)
I´ll bet the irony of their threat to sue the school is completely lost on them.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Marilu, 12/18/2012 12:16:26 PM (No. 9072738)
O.K., maybe it´s time to eliminate all holidays from the school calendar and require attendance by students AND teachers on all holidays. Do away with Christmas, excuse me, Winter break; no more Easter, oops, Spring break. Forget the concerts...someone is going to be offended no matter what. The inmates really are running the asylum.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Dante, 12/18/2012 12:16:58 PM (No. 9072740)
Amazes me that adults are so thrilled to out themselves as sniveling, overly-sensitive, weak-willed children just to get attention.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
TXknitter, 12/18/2012 12:24:24 PM (No. 9072752)
Now "bullying" is like "racism." Both words used whenever liberals want to shut down those who disagree with them. So are the Christians in Montana going to rally around the school?
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
calgrammy, 12/18/2012 12:26:17 PM (No. 9072759)
I thought Mont. was called "God´s Country"? Am I thinking of a different state?
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
TXknitter, 12/18/2012 12:26:17 PM (No. 9072760)
...and #13 is right. When is it ENOUGH, folks, to fight back?
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
chumley, 12/18/2012 12:27:25 PM (No. 9072764)
#2´s maypole idea sounds pretty good. I may sign up for that one. But that´s immaterial. Bullying is being subjected to daily beatings from the fat kid with nobody willing to stop it. Bullying is continuous nasty rumors being started about some innocent person for the amusement of the bully. Bullying is a never ending assault on someone who is not in any way interfering in the bully´s business. Christmas songs are not bullying, and the charge dumbs down the real bullying. While those horrible murders were taking place in CT, I was at my grandkids school listening to their class sing Christian Christmas songs. My non-Christian ears did not burn, and I didn´t feel like I was getting a spiritual wedgie. I was grateful I have lived long enough to hear the little varmints sing their hearts out. Clearly these parents are Obie voters.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
spit the bit, 12/18/2012 12:29:21 PM (No. 9072769)
Missoula has been Berkeley for a generation now. Too bad. It was a great town. However, the pendulum is swinging, and these idiots will soon play out their swing.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
mrduc, 12/18/2012 12:32:36 PM (No. 9072777)
Geeze, I hope they never sing ´´This Old Man´ around these snivelers...´´knick knack, paddy whack, give a dog a bone...´´ Let´s see, age discrimination, bodily violence, animal abuse. It´s enough to give any dingbat the vapors!
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
phillyred, 12/18/2012 12:37:29 PM (No. 9072790)
I and so many others am so tired of being BULLIED by people like this! They are the reason my kids have to sing the absolute lamest holiday songs at our school´s "holiday" concert! Christmas - I remind these jerks- is a national holiday. Until Christmas is no longer a NATIONAL HOLIDAY in the United States, get lost already!!!! Here is the lineup I had to suffer through last week:
1. Hannukah song #1 2. Kwanza song that just repeated the words "ohhh Kwanza" a hundred times 3. Ho Ho Santa Claus (Really?????) 4. Hannukah song #2 5. Oh Kwanza (I´m not kidding- the same song twice!!!!1) 6. music-only version of A Rather Jolly Old Saint Nicolas 7. Walking in a Winter Wonderland
Yes my friends. Not one actual Christmas song. And equal time for other less important holidays.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
rolfnader, 12/18/2012 12:40:12 PM (No. 9072801)
I say you either take your kids to a different school/town or sign your name to the complaint and your neighbors will probably help you.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
LanieLou, 12/18/2012 12:40:38 PM (No. 9072803)
The Missoulian is protecting muslims. Now invisible plaintiffs can make charges? Not my America. It´s illegal to keep the accusers a secret... Someone may think the MSM is making it up!
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
M Stuart, 12/18/2012 12:46:25 PM (No. 9072825)
This secular bullying is in the heart of the South. Our elementary kids were coerced into the stupidest Christmas concert ever. All reindeer, snow, trees, and santa. Everyone exited quietly and ill-humored.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
phillyred, 12/18/2012 12:56:52 PM (No. 9072852)
#36 - Your experience sounds like heaven compared to my absolutely horrible, lame, boring show. These secular bullies have ruined the excitement of Christmas at school for our kids! The music director obviously purposely picked the worst Christmas-related songs possible to put them on par with Kwanza which no one celebrates, and Hannukah, which is a minor Jewish holiday. It is disgusting!
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
lazlototh, 12/18/2012 12:59:48 PM (No. 9072858)
I am not religious. I don´t feel oppressed or threatened by Christianity or Judaism or even Buddhism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianisim, Hinduism, Bahaiism, etc. Of course, the one left off the list in the preceding sentence worries me a lot.
Religion is a historical and important fact of our existence even as part of secular history. Taking it out of history or contemporary life completely would be as silly as trying to take water out of your diet. It´s THERE, and to a lot of people it´s actually life-sustaining.
I can´t believe in a place like Montana people can feel so victimized. It´s not a nanny-ninny state like here in New York.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Teleologicus, 12/18/2012 1:01:38 PM (No. 9072861)
Too bad. Christmas without those beautiful old carols just isn´t Christmas any more. At least they maintained a facade of celebrating the Nativity. Soon it will be all shopping and nothing else. Then, like one of those cartoon characters that runs off a cliff and keeps running until he looks down to find nothing underneath and promptly falls, people will begin to wonder just why they are running around spending money they don´t have or could use for other things to buy gifts for people who most of the time have everything they want and need. Taking Christ out of Christmas could end up being bad for the economy.
One thinks of the ancient Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.
This multi-culti business is a form of cultural suicide. A culture that is no culture in particular but all cultures in general is no culture at all. It can´t last. Things fall apart. The center does not hold.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
fayebeck, 12/18/2012 1:12:17 PM (No. 9072882)
Several days ago a poster asksed if America has become a nation of wussies. The answer is a resounding "YES America has."
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
Ravenhaven, 12/18/2012 1:14:41 PM (No. 9072887)
Can we lock them in a room and force them to listen to a 3 hours of Holly, Jolly Christmas, Here Comes Santa Claus and Alvin and the Chipmunks? If imposing that crap on us everywhere we go for a whole month isn´t bullying, what is?
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
Nevadadad46, 12/18/2012 1:15:11 PM (No. 9072888)
So, if you don´t like it, don´t go to Christmas pageants. I am highly offended by Muslim religious celebrations where they bleed animals to death and bathe themselves in the blood- so, I just don´t attend them.
So, how do you feel about the Muslims having their payer rugs, their strange clothing and their "special" prayer rooms in schools and universities? I don´t here you squawking at all about how offensive and "bullying" those things are. I guess it´s because if you squawk too loudly over that kind of "bullying" the Muslims will kill you! Right? So, you just hypocritically complain against peaceful, sharing religions- right?
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
mary Ellen, 12/18/2012 1:15:33 PM (No. 9072890)
Somewhere around Detroit there is a mosque that calls Muslims to prayer five times a day. Isn´t that a form of bullying to the nonmuslims in that area? Can anyone out there show me one Chrismas carol that is bullying? O Holly Night? We Three Kings? Silent Night? I don´t care which you go to: church, mosque, synogog, or hugatree. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
mary Ellen, 12/18/2012 1:15:55 PM (No. 9072894)
Somewhere around Detroit there is a mosque that calls Muslims to prayer five times a day. Isn´t that a form of bullying to the nonmuslims in that area? Can anyone out there show me one Chrismas carol that is bullying? O Holly Night? We Three Kings? Silent Night? I don´t care which you go to: church, mosque, synogog, or hugatree. Merry Christmas!
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
BreakRight, 12/18/2012 1:32:11 PM (No. 9072916)
You can let them into the pot, but you can´t make ´em melt.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 12/18/2012 1:56:40 PM (No. 9072947)
Bullying ? That was when the fat 5th grader on the playground daily took whatever he wanted from us third graders. A sock about quarter full of marbles took him up the side of the head and corrected his wrong thinking. { Meriden CT, 1953. } Bullying needs to be dealt with no matter what age.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
yuban, 12/18/2012 2:17:32 PM (No. 9072970)
The Left has hi-jacked the entire Country, not just Christmas.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
JAN, 12/18/2012 2:18:53 PM (No. 9072972)
These families would be most happy in g-dless California. Particularly San Francisco.
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
Maybeth, 12/18/2012 2:42:03 PM (No. 9072998)
I think publicly dropping to your knees on a prayer rug 3 times a day is bullying.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl, 12/18/2012 2:45:18 PM (No. 9073002)
For several years, I was on a quest for albums of traditional Christmas carols, sung in the traditional way, not the warbling garbage produced in this country. I finally found one in the Metropolitan Museum of Art catalog. It was produced in Great Britian by a 90-ish David Willcocks. Well worth the price. I listen to it every night.
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
heartlandconservative, 12/18/2012 4:09:59 PM (No. 9073132)
Give me my way or I will sue, yeah, that´s a form of bullying. Find out who these people are and have the whole town ignore them, treat them as though they don´t exist. Stand up and say enough is enough
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
OdinsAcolyte, 12/18/2012 4:16:23 PM (No. 9073142)
Demands of the demented.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
zoidberg, 12/18/2012 4:29:22 PM (No. 9073162)
I don´t know, if you demand a figgy pudding, and refuse to leave until given same, that may be a form of bullying.
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
JoElla Bee, 12/18/2012 4:38:59 PM (No. 9073176)
FTA: "The parents, who declined to be identified, are threatening to sue the Missoula County Public School District unless songs like “Joy to the World” and “Good Christian Men Rejoice” are replaced with secular tunes."
Singing Christmas carols that have been sung for years as opposed to "threatening to sue" if they don´t stop singing them. Who is doing the "bullying" here?
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Reply 55 - Posted by:
cheeflo, 12/18/2012 5:00:19 PM (No. 9073209)
The pot calling the kettle black.
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Reply 56 - Posted by:
Udanja99, 12/18/2012 7:00:21 PM (No. 9073376)
All of the other parents need to show up with a thousands strong counter complaint.
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Reply 57 - Posted by:
hamrman, 12/18/2012 8:33:32 PM (No. 9073479)
Come on man...we have totally lost our minds!
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Reply 58 - Posted by:
mrduc, 12/19/2012 7:42:13 AM (No. 9073869)
#54, thanks for my belly laugh of the day!
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Reply 59 - Posted by:
jimmyfoxhound, 12/20/2012 10:06:59 AM (No. 9076013)
Why are they suing for secular songs, that means they are still recognizing Christmas. I vote we cancel all days off and treat christmas as any other day. I´m sick of hearing athiests whine about this every year. They´re so annoying.
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Lew asks Congress for debt increase, says it’s ´not open to debate´
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The Hill, by Peter Schoeder
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Posted By: DW626- 5/18/2013 6:12:33 PM
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Treasury Secretary Jack Lew on Friday urged congressional leaders to raise the debt limit and insisted that the White House is not going to negotiate over the increase because lawmakers have "no choice." "We will not negotiate over the debt limit," Lew wrote. "The creditworthiness of the United States is non-negotiable. The question of whether the country must pay obligations it has already incurred is not open to debate." Lew said that while President Obama is willing to discuss plans to reduce the nation´s deficit with Congress, those talks must be kept separate from any effort to raise the nation´s debt cap.
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Weiner’s Wife Didn’t Disclose Consulting Work She Did While Serving in State Dept.
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New York Times, by Raymond Hernandez
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Posted By: StormCnter- 5/17/2013 5:43:54 AM
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The State Department, under Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton, created an arrangement for her longtime aide and confidante Huma Abedin to work for private clients as a consultant while serving as a top adviser in the department. Ms. Abedin did not disclose the arrangement — or how much income she earned — on her financial report. It requires officials to make public any significant sources of income. An adviser to Mrs. Clinton, Philippe Reines, said that Ms. Abedin was not obligated to do so. The disclosure of the agreement that Ms. Abedin made with the State Department comes as her husband,
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Higher-Ups Knew of IRS Case
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Wall Street Journal, by John D. McKinnon*
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Posted By: Dreadnought- 5/17/2013 10:23:18 PM
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The Internal Revenue Service´s watchdog told top Treasury officials around June 2012 he was investigating allegations the tax agency had targeted conservative groups, for the first time indicating that Obama administration officials were aware of the explosive matter in the midst of the president´s re-election campaign. The disclosure to the Treasury general counsel and the deputy secretary was a cursory one, according to J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration. He said he didn´t reveal conclusions of the probe, which was in its early stages, and his disclosure came as part
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McCaskill Calls For Firing Of All Involved In IRS Targeting Scandal
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KMOX [St, Louis], by Staff
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Posted By: BuckeyeRon- 5/18/2013 2:46:31 PM
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Washington – Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-MO, issued a video statement Friday in response to reports that the Internal Revenue Service unfairly targeted conservative nonprofit groups. (Snip) “There’s a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold in America. That is because in America, we don’t apply the law based on who you are, who you know, or what you believe. We apply the law equally.” “We should not only fire the head of the IRS, which has occurred, but we’ve got to go down the line and find every single person who had anything to do with this and make sure
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