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Evidence hints at deadlier
plan in Conn. massacre

Associated Press, by John Christoffersen and Matt Apuzzo

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 12/16/2012 11:28:57 PM

NEWTOWN, Conn. — The gunman in the Connecticut shooting rampage shot his mother multiple times in the head before going to the school and gunning down 26, authorities said Sunday as details emerged suggesting that Adam Lanza had planned an even more gruesome massacre but was stopped short. Lanza blasted his way into the building and used a high-power rifle to kill 20 children and six adults, including the principal, who tried to stop him, authorities said. The unthinkable bloodshed might even have been worse. Gov. Dannel Malloy said Lanza shot himself as first responders entered the building

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/17/2012 12:54:50 AM     (No. 9070098)

So he planned on doing even more, but someone who was armed entered the building so he cut it short. Odd how that happens.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: LanieLou, 12/17/2012 1:54:28 AM     (No. 9070120)

What stopped him? Men with guns.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/17/2012 3:14:32 AM     (No. 9070152)

This whole country will be sitting ducks for shooting spree and criminals an even the government if the left gets their way banning guns.According to the left you only need a single shot shotgun or rifle to go hunting so everything else is unnecessary.

I can see people digging holes and burying their guns in their yards or woods right now.If they start confiscating guns,it´ll be nazi germany all over again.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ocjim, 12/17/2012 4:25:21 AM     (No. 9070180)

As a side note, very sorry to see and be reminded of Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal. Interesting how hollow the words ring at this time when coming from a man of such proven low character.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mws50, 12/17/2012 5:59:43 AM     (No. 9070220)

What high powered rifle did the insane person use? I did not hear about one being used. Is this just another biased journalistic malpractice story by the AssPress?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: truthfetish, 12/17/2012 6:07:31 AM     (No. 9070226)

If the principal or teachers had had guns, over 20 lives would have been saved, and possibly all of the kids´ lives.

If they were known to be allowed to have guns, the guy never would have planned anything involving guns and the school.

The left is so stupid.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: pineledger, 12/17/2012 7:05:16 AM     (No. 9070297)

Armed and crack-shot principals might serve as a deterrent.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: bpl40, 12/17/2012 7:09:41 AM     (No. 9070305)

As reported elsewhere that is also what apparently happened at the Oregon Mall shooting. A young man with a Concealed Carry Permit produced his weapon and the gunman turned on himself. They will never publicize that.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 12/17/2012 7:10:54 AM     (No. 9070307)

Thanks to the utterly unreliable news reporting so far, we have no idea whether the shooter used the AR-15 rifle he had with him, or not.

Even so, there is no way in hell an intelligent person would define an AR-15 as a "high-powered rifle".

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Michaelus, 12/17/2012 7:17:21 AM     (No. 9070321)

My guess is that this week we will learn that the shooter spent past year threatening his mother and making plans to slaughter people. His psychiatrist will refuse to disclose the threats and fantasies he revealed. the police will not release the list of drugs in his blood or the details of all the violent and pornographic crap on his computer.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: geekrunner, 12/17/2012 7:19:16 AM     (No. 9070323)

Didn´t he commit suicide? If so, then he apparently was done. NO further plan existed.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: tgfrr, 12/17/2012 7:47:07 AM     (No. 9070362)

He definitely left his "high powered rifle" in his mother´s car and entered the school with his two handguns. There were numerous reports that the rifle was found in the car. There is deliberate confusion on part of the MSM because it does not fit the current narative that it was an "assault rifle" that killed all of the innocents. The MSM lies and lies and lies!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: LZK, 12/17/2012 8:02:30 AM     (No. 9070401)

AND -- here WE go!! The MSM is on a spinnnnning spree...

They will use their airwaves to "try" and demand control of OUR guns...

Bring it on -- MSM -- bring it on!!

LZK

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Reply 14 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 12/17/2012 8:09:54 AM     (No. 9070415)

Only a gun will stop a gun. And killers love gun free zones.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: bigken2, 12/17/2012 8:15:53 AM     (No. 9070430)

the cooroner is saying all he used was the ar 15 yet it was found in the car sounds like coverup to me

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Newtsche, 12/17/2012 8:27:11 AM     (No. 9070453)

Use of the Bushmaster is key info, it´s the weapon the anti-gun side can most easily go after. We´ve already seen these people lie on the subject -- Fast and Furious, Libyan/Syrian arms, they´re not above bending the facts to serve their agenda. If they´re lying about the Bushmaster being the primary weapon used by Lanza, no one will have the guts to investigate the lies.

Is the coroner the final say? It would be clear to responders whether pistol or rifle ammo was used -- spent casings, wounds.

How did scrawny Lanza cart around three (?) weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammo, a lot of weight and mass.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/17/2012 8:56:33 AM     (No. 9070491)

Everyone, start thinking !
He tried to BUY a gun a few days before..deduction, his mother´s weapons were NOT easily accessible. In order to get the key, he had to kill her, possibly with a small gun she kept in her nightstand.
I wish people would shut up about the mother until all the facts are known.
We are being fed a steady diet of misNEWS and I hate it.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: artman1746, 12/17/2012 9:19:30 AM     (No. 9070523)

The senselessness of liberalism:

"We must get rid of the guns!"

911 call:
"Please send someone with guns to stop this carnage!"

What can one do facing this kind of stupidity?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: gagolfer, 12/17/2012 9:22:07 AM     (No. 9070529)

ALL the students and teachers he killed in the school were killed with the RIFLE. The State Police spokesman has been saying that since early Saturday after the autopsies at every press conference. It was NOT left in the car. The only time he used a handgun was to kill himself. Each child was hit from 3-11 times FROM THE RIFLE.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All, 12/17/2012 9:22:32 AM     (No. 9070531)

Agreed #18. The news whores have so tarnished their own reputations that we don´t know what is true anymore.

Reminds me of the old Soviet Union practice of removing people from pictures once they were out of favor or sent to new quarters, either in the gulag or the cemetery. The state subservient "news" outlets are attempting to change the narrative in order to help their masters exploit this tragedy to further their agenda, even if the so called solution (e.g., banning "assault" weapons) would have had absolutely NO effect in stopping the latest episode.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: janjan, 12/17/2012 9:24:53 AM     (No. 9070534)

We don´t know why he did it and if law enforcement has any theories on the subject they aren´t saying. The news coverage of this is typical. A bunch of baying jackals trying to scoop each other, rudely shoving microphones in the faces of little kids and bringing an endless parade of so-called experts to give their irrelevant opinions on what should have, could have or may have happened. And millions of Americans hung over the cable news channels watching it. #18, your views, also, are pure speculation and opinion.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: MaryRI, 12/17/2012 9:27:09 AM     (No. 9070540)

the law suits that will be filed against the father......wondering if this "kid" was one of those of the "no kid left behind".....

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Reply 23 - Posted by: JAN, 12/17/2012 9:32:33 AM     (No. 9070551)

These suppositions to fit the political agenda are sickening.

He´s dead, we don´t know why he killed those children.

If there had been one good sized man in that office I wonder if he would have had the courage to enter.

If that man or any woman in the front office had a firearm this would have saved the children.

Political exploitation of this massacre will stop nothing.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Mazeman, 12/17/2012 9:46:04 AM     (No. 9070586)

The rifle was not used. The article says the opposite.

That "mistake" was either intentional, or incredibly lazy/stupid on the reporter´s part.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: novakid, 12/17/2012 9:46:06 AM     (No. 9070587)

So now the arguement is whether he used pistols or a rifle. No matter, the libs will try to blame this on the weapon, as usual. It´s hard to fix stupid.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 12/17/2012 9:50:04 AM     (No. 9070596)

On WMAL radio this morning, host Chris Plante made an excellent point: when the maniac heard men with guns coming for him, he killed himself. Lesson: armed, law-abiding employees need to be IN the schools to stop the criminals.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: RancherJack, 12/17/2012 10:01:33 AM     (No. 9070622)

Feinstein/Obama Plan To Prevent More School Shootings - - Disarm lawful America so only criminals and the insane have guns.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: curious1, 12/17/2012 10:50:02 AM     (No. 9070730)

#3, if they start digging holes to ´hide´ their weapons then they don´t understand what those weapons are for - putting them in the ground won´t stop the tyranny; using them will.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Libertygal, 12/17/2012 11:25:03 AM     (No. 9070824)

I believe the coroner and sheriff before I believe some journalist. I watched the coroner press conference live. The Bushmaster was the primary weapon used, each body had between 3 to 11 bullets, and he shot himself with a pistol. When the sheriff was asked how many rounds were fired, he said he didn´t have that information, but it was "a lot.".

Where, exactly, the reports came from, the rifle was left in the car, I cannot say. I can say at the presser, it was the primary weapon they said was used.

Misinformation? Coverup? No. Sloppy, typical journalism. We slam it on a daily basis, why is it gospel now?!

Wow, people. Go to the sorce, stop panicking at secondhand sources that are known to have agendas!


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Reply 30 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 12/17/2012 12:56:39 PM     (No. 9070990)

Reporting is all incoherent. Rifle, not a rifle? It´s hard to take a rifle into a confined space and fire at a bunch of different targets, a handgun would seem a better weapon, and there are various reports that he had "high-capacity magazines" for all weapons. CAN you put a high-capacity magazine on those little pistols?

So he had a couple of boxes of ammo, or did he have a bunch of preloaded clips, or what?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: LadyHen, 12/17/2012 12:58:46 PM     (No. 9070994)

#18.. THAT my friend has been the thing going through my head all along, did he kill her to get to her guns? Many people who have a carry permit keep their carry gun out at night in case of an emergency. Had he known this and known where it was, the possibility he simply eliminated her to get at her guns is very real. His motive is the key to all this. I doubt the media will ever report on that.

Also, "hundreds of rounds of ammo" are not really odd to those of us who have guns and enjoy shooting for fun and practice and shoot regularly, like a couple times a month regularly. Find a good deal, stock up just like you do with green beans or cereal. Bullets are not deadly sitting in a box in the bottom of a gun safe anymore than a bag of beans are sitting in your pantry. And when at the range, depending on the gun, a couple boxes of 20 rounds or a box of 50 doesn´t take long to empty if you are doing target practice.

100% Gun Control CAN´T Control Crazy!!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: LadyHen, 12/17/2012 1:04:24 PM     (No. 9070999)

#22.. I suppose they are and why are we not allowed to use our brains according to you? I don´t believe for one moment that a single person in this country has not allowed these topics to roll around in their head and tried to reason out some explanation/s. Obviously it will be a long time before the facts are known, should the authorities ever choose to tell us. It is one thing to reason out your confused thinking on an internet forum to try to wrap your brain around the incomprehensible. It is another thing entirely to report speculation as fact, as the media does. I would hope you would know the difference.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 12/17/2012 1:33:50 PM     (No. 9071076)

# 18 Makes a valid point. Which the the media has ignored in their frenzy to now paint is mother as an evil doer.

FTA- " Among the questions: Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcee, keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house? "

The media´s reporting has been abysmal.
He used an " assault weapon " , he used a rifle or according to NBC yesterday , only handguns were found in the school.
None of the weapons he used were his -they were stolen from his mother.
Just like the stolen weapons used by the Oregon mall shooter .
When a " troubled young man " killed his father´s girlfriend and his father with a crossbow
and a knife and then himself at Casper Community College in Wyoming Nov 30 , how come we didn´t have a national dialogue about banning
crossbows and knives ?
We need to ban disturbed young men.



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Reply 34 - Posted by: 67cj5, 12/17/2012 1:42:46 PM     (No. 9071090)

Yesterday it was a Sig and a Glock, today a high power rifle? I know I read in an article yesterday there was a second person in custody wearing camo pants and a black jacket thought to possibly be a second shooter. The article said he was in hand cuffs being lead out of the woods. Where is he? Who was he? Did he even exist? These so called journalists stink! You should not report anything unless it is known to be true. How can we be expected to believe anything they report? They just make stuff up!!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 12/17/2012 1:58:11 PM     (No. 9071130)

Just more news screechers yakking and going off half-cocked (you should pardon the expression).

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Reply 36 - Posted by: patriot99, 12/17/2012 2:00:58 PM     (No. 9071133)

There was news about a shooting at a San Antonio movie theater in our local papers today. The guy shot someone in the parking lot and then headed into the theater where he was shot by an off-duty sheriff working security in the theater. This probably won´t make national news. In Austin, our middle and high schools have armed security guards and in light of what happened in CT I bet there will be a push for armed security at elementary schools also. At least let the principles carry a concealed handgun or stash some protection in their desks!

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Reply 37 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 12/17/2012 3:01:45 PM     (No. 9071242)

#36 Rush was talking about that today, how many different stories came out on Friday and none of them were true. If you will remember, the same thing happened with the Benghazi story. A different story every hour. If I were a journalist, I would hang my head in shame at what they have become. Instead, we have journ-o-lists to don´t give a rat´s patootie about the truth.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: cmhyland, 12/17/2012 3:39:27 PM     (No. 9071314)

It´s hard to take the article seriously when every one of the victims were killed with the rifle....


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Reply 39 - Posted by: miceal, 12/17/2012 4:34:47 PM     (No. 9071395)

EVERY school district in the Country needs to get proactive and form a small, highly trained cadre who carry concealed. Their names should be known to each other, the Principal, and the local police. How difficult is this?

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Reply 40 - Posted by: vesicant, 12/17/2012 4:51:00 PM     (No. 9071425)

It´s always a "cache," as if gun owners were WWII Nazi spies hiding a shortwave radio and codebooks under the floor. Geez.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: bobdog, 12/17/2012 5:04:12 PM     (No. 9071449)

Never did figure out how they got from a Bushmaster left in the car to a call for a national ban on assault weapons.

But I´m sure the media will explain what one had to do with the other.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: strike3, 12/17/2012 6:28:12 PM     (No. 9071566)

If the handguns were 9mm, they would most likely have 15 round mags. The Bushmaster would hold 20-30 rounds depending on size of mag. If you average 5-6 shots per child, he didn´t have to reload all that often. Twice at the most. The mags, of course, would have been pre-loaded.

One simple .38 in the principal´s office or a strong security door would have prevented his entry.

A high powered rifle in the car makes no sense at all, but then neither did the attack on innocent children. It´s tough to outguess crazy.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: kctiger, 12/17/2012 6:32:43 PM     (No. 9071569)

I want all of YOU to think about and discuss this with others.

This PREZ himself has said on a number of occasions that his first and primary mission is to protect this countries citizens! He cannot even protect OUR children in HIS school system! They (DC & MSM) are ALWAYS reminding us this is a FEDERAL school system so no prayer, etc., etc.

They (the Feds) WASTE so much of (OUR) money that if they controlled their spending, we could afford to have several cops or armed security people in every school. Look how we put Air Marshalls on every flight after 9-11. Think about that a second.

Now think about that a little more and consider how the budget talks have went. If these clowns in DC could STOP wasting our money and start trying to protect us instead of themselves then we wouldn’t have to worry as we send our kids to school. They just want to keep spending and do nothing to control it and actually adhere to their main mission of keeping us safe! And as the deficit grows further, the defense budget gets cut. BUT NOT THOSE FREE CELL PHONES HUH!

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Reply 44 - Posted by: kctiger, 12/17/2012 6:33:13 PM     (No. 9071570)

See how that works! They can’t protect us here, they don’t protect our people overseas as you have already have witnessed in Benghazi, and soon they won’t protect us here in the USA from those others overseas that want to harm us.

On top of all that the DC idiot´s don´t use or enforce the laws that are already on the books to protect us, but instead say they will make a new law and take away the tools and means for us to protect ourselves.

If anyone of you thinks for one single second that you are going to be safer once all the guns are SUPPOSEDLY confiscated? Just remember, this is the very same Administration that gave weapons to cartel members to kill you with!

WAAAAAAKE UP!

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Montesquieu, 12/17/2012 9:02:19 PM     (No. 9071737)

Got to assume that the shooter was killing what he saw as the replacements for himself in his mother´s eyes. The killings were a subsequence of the deranged and depressed Adam Lanza not being reported. Incredibly unfortunate, but his should have restricted the weapons she housed.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/17/2012 10:49:59 PM     (No. 9071855)

am i kooky or is the wording of this article (and a few others) a bit coy somehow about who fired the 10 mm shot to the head. "The unthinkable bloodshed might even have been worse. Gov. Dannel Malloy said Lanza shot himself as first responders entered the building" - mm are the authors kind of hinting that this is the gov´s unlikely story and he is sticking to it? Elsewhere we heard that he died of a 10 mm shot to the head, again i found the wording coy. ?

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Reply 47 - Posted by: peterfleming, 12/18/2012 12:06:27 AM     (No. 9071926)

There is a broad based answer that can work.
Most all government bhildings are heavily guarded, they have their universal budgets.

Government school buildings are not guarded.
In each public school district there is a monster dead weight of non teacher bureaucrats in nearby lavish downtown office building faking make-work doing absolutely nothing. Fire them all, pay off the union blackmail and there will be plenty of monsy left over to add armed security to all schools in most districts.
The security of children should be at least as strong if not much more than it is now for worthless armies of non essential desk bound bureaucrats. Also what´s wrong with a few of the most responsible teachers permitted to carry?!

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Posted By: MissMolly- 4/18/2014 5:02:40 AM     Post Reply
After presenting at the Academy Awards this year, Kim Novak didn’t want to leave her house. The Hitchcock screen siren, 81, was too humiliated to venture from her home near the Rogue River in Oregon. She read the cruel posts and Internet snark about her appearance, and it was just too much. “It got to me like it gets kids and teenagers,” she told the Associated Press. The “Vertigo” actress, considered one of the great beauties in her day, posted a note on her Facebook wall Thursday, acknowledging that she’d gotten fat injections in her face and addressing her halted

Analysis: Obama Celebrates
Eight Million ´Enrollments,´
Again Declares Debate ´Over´

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Townhall, by Guy Benson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/17/2014 8:56:28 PM     Post Reply
President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

White House blames fox for
destroying Michelle’s garden

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Daily Caller, by Vince Coglianese    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:59:04 PM     Post Reply
The White House is going to war with another fox — and this time, it’s personal. The Wall Street Journal reports that a red fox has been causing chaos around the White House, tripping security alarms, digging up Michelle’s garden and distracting the president from his duties. The Secret Service won’t give any details about how often the fox trips the White House’s obviously sophisticated security alarms, but rest assured, officials say, they’re watching. President Obama was apparently “stunned” to see the fox roaming freely down the oft-photographed White House colonnade, home to the world’s shortest, but most dramatic, outdoor strolls. The bushy-tailed visitor

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.


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