Appearing on Fox News’ Your World this afternoon to discuss the tragic massacre in Newtown, Conn., former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said that we shouldn’t be surprised that schools have become a place of carnage after Americans have rejected teaching about life and responsibility by “removing God from our schools.” Host Neil Cavuto, trying to make sense of the horrific events that have transpired, asked the religious commentator what he believes many will now wonder: “How could God let this happen?” “It’s an interesting thing,” Huckabee said. “We ask why there’s violence in our schools but we’ve systematically removed God
I must say that is the most stupid thing for Huckabee to say. What does removing God from the Schools have to do with a crazy 20 year old kid, going to the school and shooting? It is very hard to understand why God lets things like this happen, and it is very tragic and sad, but Huckabee implies that this is God´s punishment for removing God from schools, and that is why schools have become a place of carnage?
This is a common theme but I don´t think the removal of God from schools and the public forum had any effect on people who are mentally disturbed. The most we can say is that it may have prevented people like the shooter´s father and mother from giving him a two parent home and instruction on right and wrong that might have had some effect.
Remarks like Huckabee´s and preachers like him and their medieval stone-age patriarchal power trips and pop-service so-called worship and church systems are some of the reasons I have left American Religianity behind.
This isn´t about God or guns. It is about mental illness and the mistreatment, misdiagnosis of it...especially when it pertains to middle to upper income young men (most of whom happen to be white, but not all). Drugs are thrown at the problem and parents are often in denial about just how sick their children are and just how damaging these drugs are.
We have got to find new ways to deal with the mentally ill...and, no, not just the upper middle class kids...but the small segment of dangerously ill homeless people (NY Subway murderer) and others. It is high time we get our hands wrapped the fact that these people are sick and walking amongst us every day.
Gun ownership has not changed. The "culture" and society have indeed changed, for the worse. All we´re hearing about is the former, a strawman for politicians and gun grabbibng nanny-staters who have no intention of letting a good crisis go to waste.
Feel free to post alternative explanations. We´ll read them.
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J F Ackerman, 12/15/2012 11:00:16 AM (No. 9067325)
I´m not a huge fan of Huckabee´s. That said, he´s on the right track. Schools are not respected, nor are churches. Why would they be exempt from the vile culture we´ve allowed to take hold and judicially enforced? We must start talking about building better, i.e. moral, more peaceful people... from childhood. We cannot survive without God everywhere in our lives.
Only God is offensive these days ever since the Left got control of media, our schools, key positions in government, etc. The Left is a cancer on this society. We´re supposed to defend pornography as free speech while certain words are considered "hate speech". "The N Word", and other PC nonsense because someone might be "offended". Can´t offend the atheists, now, you know.
thanks, # 1, 4, 7, 9, 10, 12.. in my mind´s eye i see.. bumper stickers at this place.. "diversity" "coexist" "obama/biden" "think green" "think globally" "question authority".. i see every third BOY diagnosed as ADD, ADHD or now AUTISTIC.. on drugs to keep him in a stupor..
i see NO Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts.. as mentioned above, God FORBID there be anything mentioning RELIGION or AMERICAN ideals.. just as the communists and the MSM are now going to be on a full court press to further destroy America using this tragedy, we had better be there with some rebuttals..
Whenever there is tragedy some people will turn to God for understanding and strength. Others will laugh at the GD Christians with their bigot morals and look to government for answers. Everyone worships somebody. It´s a matter of faith. Let them all continue on to their separate eternities.
"We" didn´t remove God from school, the courts did. The Liberals have made a mockery of a portion of the only Amendment to the Constitution they care about. The First Amendment and Freedom of Speech. I remember what seemed to be a bellwether event in my lifetime. The 1969 President´s Commission on Obscenity and Pornography. It´s findings ("... the Commission, which found no causal link between pornography, hard-core or otherwise, and anti-social behavior") opened the door to today´s virtually anything goes culture. Violent and fantasy role playing video games (pornography in my mind) are an offshoot. They may or may not have played a part in this.
#7 nails it. The problem is with mentally ill people in our society who are like walking timebombs among us... thankfully, it´s a small number, but to try to pin this horrible event on whether or not prayer is allowed in school is idiocy.
Since Huckabee has proven in words and deeds to be an idiot, one can see why he leans this way.
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The Other Guy, 12/15/2012 12:13:58 PM (No. 9067475)
I doubt that the removal of God from the schools, or His reinstatement for that matter, did or would have any measurable effect on the condition of our society. God was very much present during my public school days. A daily bible reading, moments of silence, an opening prayer at some functions, traditional Christmas programs and so on. Best guess is that, overall, it accounted for less than one percent of the time I spent in school and part of that time I probably wasn´t even paying attention. God present is certainly preferable to God not present, but it is not a panacea. Note that I´m speaking of a school environment specifically, I´m not suggesting that His presence in daily life and in society at large is immaterial.
I disagree with a lot of posters. Keeping God in our schools may not have prevented this shooting but how about having a relationship with Him the minute you are born? That takes caring parents. Of course, if you have the attitude that you can do it on your own, you reap what you sow.
It is very sad. We have to teach our children that life is a blessing and how can that be done when the liberals insist on only their point of view?
Having a true relationship with God helps a person to understand that it isn´t all about them.
Unfortunately, the Liberals are now going to spout that guns are the problem. I will want the violent videos, movies, and music addressed too. But that is Hollywood´s livelihood so that won´t go anywhere.
It all comes from a person´s heart and if God isn´t part of the equation from birth on, we are subject to whatever comes our way. It is us good people who won´t be able to defend ourselves. Truly sad.
#17 is correct. As much as liberals hate guns, they despise God more. And the fact that so many do not "get" that this comes down to Good vs. Evil...that Satan is indeed ratcheting up his "game"...all because he knows his time is short. See if this sounds familiar for our day and time:
2 Timothy 3:1-3( NASB) “Difficult Times Will Come”
3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, (and) haters of good...
Our constitution and our very nation have as their basis the 10 Commandments. Huckabee is right. There were NO such massacres before the Supreme Court declared the schools "God-free." The Supremes further denied the sanctity of life with the Roe v. Wade ruling. When children are taught "Thou shalt not kill" from an early age they will not violate their own consciences. These same children who were mown down yesterday could have their lives snuffed out wordlessly only 6 years ago by abortion--even as they were leaving the birth canal.
I don´t think Huckabee meant that having prayer in school or teaching about God would have magically protected the students. I think he´s referring to the removal of God and the subsequent replacement by a narcissistic entitlement culture that convinces many to do evil things, despite the consequences to others, simply because they want to. I don´t think he´s being opportunistic; he is a preacher and this is the way he sees the world.
Ridiculous statement by Huckabee, and very poorly timed. I would think God is far more concerned at this minute with the grief than the cause.
I´m all for more God in schook, but when a 20 year old kills kids at a school for kindergarten and elementary age students, it is obviously an attack from outside the school, so what went on inside the school is not relevant.
When one´s mind and heart are of God, one is less likely to follow evil behaviour.
Billy Graham´s daughter Ruth had some very interesting things to say about the removal of God from our society during an interview shortly after 9/11/01. Basically she said that this country told God to leave us alone and being the gentleman He is He did.
Of all the posts above I must agree with #22 - man was created to solve the "Angelic Conflict" & we may have to fight the "sons of Hagar" before our Republic wakes up. As far as Huckabee´s comments pastors & priests have stopped teaching true Bible Doctrines & joined the United Coucil of Churches & global idealistic Utopiatism. Either the Bible is the Word of God or it is not. Our Republic was founded for believers(those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Savior who died for their sins) along with those who have freedom not to believe or 1st Amendment freedom. It is all there in the Bible along with free enterprise,capitalism & morals. As far as the horrible killings yesterday I believe that this killer was suffering from mental illness & that there are 20 new stars in Heaven today because they had not reached the age of accountability to beleive or not to believe. Prayer is needed for their parents.
In my local paper in the Seattle area I read on the first page - "Schools ready for day they pray never comes". Now we can pray!
Why not acknowledge our need for God and His intervention in our daily lives?
We all need to examine our hearts/minds/souls/spirits to really know what we do believe.
God alone is our salvation! During this holy Christmas season we are again reminded of our need for Jesus, just as they did back then.
We have forsaken our faith to become open to all that comes our way. Only Jesus saves! Only Jesus was born/died so that we might one day experience His Love/Grace in His eternal Kingdom provided for those who love Him.
We have forsaken the Bible, God´s Word, somehow thinking we are above God and have allowed the media to control our lives instead of God, who created US, who loves US, who wants US to abound with His goodness
Return to God and see what He is able to do. Repentence is needed before we can fully grasp the goodness of God, His Love/Grace, His power to triumph over evil, wherever we find it
We need to again sing out the praises of God. He has blessed America in the past, will do so in the future, "if" only we honor Him for who He is - Almighty God!
May those suffering the loss of their loved ones be at Peace in the knowledge of God´s promise of His Kingdom. These children are precious in His sight. We need to live each day in the awareness of God´s presence, His willingness to provide our every need through His precious shed blood for our sakes
I´m not smart enough to know what the answers are. But back in the 1930s Bonnie and Clyde along with the likes of Machine Gun Kelly had access to weapons just as deadly as the one used to kill these kids. But they didn´t walk into theaters, schools, hospitals, etc. and open fire. When they killed someone there was a reason. Excepts for Whitman back at the University of Texas in the 60s, killing for no reason is something recent. Movies? I watched cowboy and Indian (native American, feather no red dot) movies with immense carnage and had no desire to kill anyone. Same for war movies. But those movies featured Right versus Wrong. Today´s movies are anything goes.
Oh, please. For those of you who think the problem was relationship with God...do you know any Christians who ever experienced dementia or Alzheimer´s? Christians are not miraculously protected from brain disorders, and they aren´t protected from mental illness, also a brain disorder, either.
#7 is totally correct, but left out one line. Yes, the mentally ill walk among us every day, but most of them can function perfectly well thanks to modern medication and therapy. The problem is that there are some people with mental illness who, because of the nature of their illness, cannot be aware that they are truly ill. The formal term for this is anosognosia. It is akin to talking with an Alzheimer patient who truly doesn´t realize that this isn´t 1946 anymore. But in the case of the Alzheimer patient, we make sure they are safe and cared for. In the case of mental illness, we leave them alone - their ´rights´, you know.
Ronald Reagan said, ´´In 1962, the Supreme Court ... banned the ... saying of prayers. In 1963, the Court banned the reading of the Bible in our public schools ... a series of assaults were made in one court after another. Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience. ... Without God there is a coarsening of the society. Without God democracy will not and cannot long endure. ... America needs God more than God needs America. If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.´´
#31 -- First of all, who says that this young man didn´t have a "reason." We may not know the reason yet, but reports say they are finding evidence to piece together a story...and mental illness is not new and this is not the first time something of this scale has happened. The worst school disaster in the history of country took place on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township in the state of Michigan. A crazy SOB named Andrew Kehoe killed his wife (first) and then blew up a school full of children and then the first responders that were coming to put out the fire on the burning building. It was horrific. 38 children and adults killed and another 58 injured. You can read all about it here:
Huckabee was right. He frequently is, not that it fazes some chronic detractors. And for several reasons. Culture matters. A society, a culture, that respects the history of the nation, that at least recognizes the Christian basis for the nation, will at least be DIFFERENT from one that at best ignores, and more frequently misrepresents and slanders those foundations. A society in which the expectation is that a man and a woman will be, and remain married, before having and raising children, will be different, and better, than one that does not. Or expectations of conduct and personal responsibility. Do we really need examples?
The Governor was exactly right...we have allowed sex,violence,basically a let it all hang out attitude that has come back to haunt was with so much mental deviancy ....IN GOD WE TRUST.... not really anymore .......
Imagine if the McGuffey Readers were still used in schools today.
From this site:
~~The original 1836 version of the fabled reading instruction books which for three-quarters of a century were used by four-fifths of all American school children. Some 120 million sets were sold. No other books ever had so much influence over so many children over such a long period.~~
#5 did you just come to this site, to post your vile hatred for Christians? seems so, its people LIKE YOU that is what is wrong with our nation and the world. GOD is the same as he was in medieval times and so is his word "Thy Shalt Not Kill" will never change. As far as the menially ill go, they`re running loose because of bleeding heart liberals ...period
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