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Huckabee To Fox: ‘Should
We Be Surprised’ About School
Carnage When We’ve
‘Removed God From Schools’?

Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell

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Posted By:JoniTx, 12/15/2012 10:38:22 AM

Appearing on Fox News’ Your World this afternoon to discuss the tragic massacre in Newtown, Conn., former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said that we shouldn’t be surprised that schools have become a place of carnage after Americans have rejected teaching about life and responsibility by “removing God from our schools.” Host Neil Cavuto, trying to make sense of the horrific events that have transpired, asked the religious commentator what he believes many will now wonder: “How could God let this happen?” “It’s an interesting thing,” Huckabee said. “We ask why there’s violence in our schools but we’ve systematically removed God

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Northern Redman, 12/15/2012 10:43:44 AM     (No. 9067281)

How about we reverse the 1980´s liberal court ruling that people cannot be forced to undergo treatment for a mental illness unless they have committed a crime.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: mamafrog, 12/15/2012 10:44:04 AM     (No. 9067282)

God has not been removed from the schools. I see children pray in school every time I am there. Huckabee is completely out of line making remarks like this.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: grayjay, 12/15/2012 10:47:23 AM     (No. 9067293)

I must say that is the most stupid thing for Huckabee to say. What does removing God from the Schools have to do with a crazy 20 year old kid, going to the school and shooting? It is very hard to understand why God lets things like this happen, and it is very tragic and sad, but Huckabee implies that this is God´s punishment for removing God from schools, and that is why schools have become a place of carnage?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 12/15/2012 10:48:15 AM     (No. 9067299)

This is a common theme but I don´t think the removal of God from schools and the public forum had any effect on people who are mentally disturbed. The most we can say is that it may have prevented people like the shooter´s father and mother from giving him a two parent home and instruction on right and wrong that might have had some effect.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mre, 12/15/2012 10:48:22 AM     (No. 9067300)

Remarks like Huckabee´s and preachers like him and their medieval stone-age patriarchal power trips and pop-service so-called worship and church systems are some of the reasons I have left American Religianity behind.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: retiree, 12/15/2012 10:50:40 AM     (No. 9067304)

You might see them praying poster 2 but not because it is allowed, but because they are going against what the gov´t. has banned.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Hermoine, 12/15/2012 10:51:17 AM     (No. 9067305)

This isn´t about God or guns. It is about mental illness and the mistreatment, misdiagnosis of it...especially when it pertains to middle to upper income young men (most of whom happen to be white, but not all). Drugs are thrown at the problem and parents are often in denial about just how sick their children are and just how damaging these drugs are.

We have got to find new ways to deal with the mentally ill...and, no, not just the upper middle class kids...but the small segment of dangerously ill homeless people (NY Subway murderer) and others. It is high time we get our hands wrapped the fact that these people are sick and walking amongst us every day.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Italiano, 12/15/2012 10:53:32 AM     (No. 9067309)

Gun ownership has not changed. The "culture" and society have indeed changed, for the worse. All we´re hearing about is the former, a strawman for politicians and gun grabbibng nanny-staters who have no intention of letting a good crisis go to waste.

Feel free to post alternative explanations. We´ll read them.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: J F Ackerman, 12/15/2012 11:00:16 AM     (No. 9067325)

I´m not a huge fan of Huckabee´s. That said, he´s on the right track. Schools are not respected, nor are churches. Why would they be exempt from the vile culture we´ve allowed to take hold and judicially enforced? We must start talking about building better, i.e. moral, more peaceful people... from childhood. We cannot survive without God everywhere in our lives.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Freeloader, 12/15/2012 11:06:00 AM     (No. 9067340)

Governor Huckabee is right. In the words of Ivan Karamazov......."Without God, everything is permitted."

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Reply 11 - Posted by: MattMusson, 12/15/2012 11:09:00 AM     (No. 9067345)

This is just baloney. If you think that having prayer in school would stop this gunman - you are kidding yourself as much as the folks who think gun control is the answer.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: snowcloud, 12/15/2012 11:13:43 AM     (No. 9067361)

Only God is offensive these days ever since the Left got control of media, our schools, key positions in government, etc. The Left is a cancer on this society. We´re supposed to defend pornography as free speech while certain words are considered "hate speech". "The N Word", and other PC nonsense because someone might be "offended". Can´t offend the atheists, now, you know.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: bluehouse, 12/15/2012 11:29:59 AM     (No. 9067393)

I wish Huckabee had been asked about the Amish school shooting in 2006 as a followup.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 12/15/2012 11:30:20 AM     (No. 9067398)

thanks, # 1, 4, 7, 9, 10, 12..
in my mind´s eye i see..
bumper stickers at this place..
"diversity" "coexist" "obama/biden" "think green" "think globally" "question authority"..
i see every third BOY diagnosed as ADD, ADHD or now AUTISTIC..
on drugs to keep him in a stupor..

i see NO Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts..
as mentioned above, God FORBID there be anything mentioning RELIGION or AMERICAN ideals..
just as the communists and the MSM are now going to be on a full court press to further destroy America using this tragedy, we had better be there with some rebuttals..


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Reply 15 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 12/15/2012 11:34:41 AM     (No. 9067405)

Whenever there is tragedy some people will turn to God for understanding and strength. Others will laugh at the GD Christians with their bigot morals and look to government for answers. Everyone worships somebody. It´s a matter of faith. Let them all continue on to their separate eternities.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: chicodon, 12/15/2012 11:49:25 AM     (No. 9067429)

"We" didn´t remove God from school, the courts did. The Liberals have made a mockery of a portion of the only Amendment to the Constitution they care about. The First Amendment and Freedom of Speech. I remember what seemed to be a bellwether event in my lifetime. The 1969 President´s Commission on Obscenity and Pornography. It´s findings ("... the Commission, which found no causal link between pornography, hard-core or otherwise, and anti-social behavior") opened the door to today´s virtually anything goes culture. Violent and fantasy role playing video games (pornography in my mind) are an offshoot. They may or may not have played a part in this.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: ruready?, 12/15/2012 11:56:50 AM     (No. 9067438)

As much as liberals hate guns, they despise God more - and looking at some of these comments, the liberals may not be not alone in the latter view.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: GuyfromNH, 12/15/2012 12:12:00 PM     (No. 9067469)

#7 nails it. The problem is with mentally ill people in our society who are like walking timebombs among us... thankfully, it´s a small number, but to try to pin this horrible event on whether or not prayer is allowed in school is idiocy.

Since Huckabee has proven in words and deeds to be an idiot, one can see why he leans this way.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: The Other Guy, 12/15/2012 12:13:58 PM     (No. 9067475)

I doubt that the removal of God from the schools, or His reinstatement for that matter, did or would have any measurable effect on the condition of our society. God was very much present during my public school days. A daily bible reading, moments of silence, an opening prayer at some functions, traditional Christmas programs and so on. Best guess is that, overall, it accounted for less than one percent of the time I spent in school and part of that time I probably wasn´t even paying attention. God present is certainly preferable to God not present, but it is not a panacea. Note that I´m speaking of a school environment specifically, I´m not suggesting that His presence in daily life and in society at large is immaterial.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Tulsa, 12/15/2012 12:44:49 PM     (No. 9067533)

It is extremely difficult if not impossible to have the mentally ill committed, even briefly.

Ask any member of any family of a mentally ill person. Liberal laws and judges have done this.

I believe all of this is preordained. I also believe we each have free will.

The Lord Jesus selecting Judus as one of the Twelve is an excellent example.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: arkfamily, 12/15/2012 12:53:31 PM     (No. 9067555)

I disagree with a lot of posters. Keeping God in our schools may not have prevented this shooting but how about having a relationship with Him the minute you are born? That takes caring parents. Of course, if you have the attitude that you can do it on your own, you reap what you sow.

It is very sad. We have to teach our children that life is a blessing and how can that be done when the liberals insist on only their point of view?

Having a true relationship with God helps a person to understand that it isn´t all about them.

Unfortunately, the Liberals are now going to spout that guns are the problem. I will want the violent videos, movies, and music addressed too. But that is Hollywood´s livelihood so that won´t go anywhere.

It all comes from a person´s heart and if God isn´t part of the equation from birth on, we are subject to whatever comes our way. It is us good people who won´t be able to defend ourselves. Truly sad.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: JimboUSN, 12/15/2012 12:57:50 PM     (No. 9067563)

#17 is correct. As much as liberals hate guns, they despise God more. And the fact that so many do not "get" that this comes down to Good vs. Evil...that Satan is indeed ratcheting up his "game"...all because he knows his time is short. See if this sounds familiar for our day and time:

2 Timothy 3:1-3( NASB)
“Difficult Times Will Come”

3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, (and) haters of good...

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Reply 23 - Posted by: treyb, 12/15/2012 12:58:25 PM     (No. 9067566)

Disgusting opportunism from Huckabee. He is no better than Michael Moore calling for an abolishment of our inalienable right to own a gun withing hours of the massacre.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Cog, 12/15/2012 1:05:33 PM     (No. 9067574)

Our constitution and our very nation have as their basis the 10 Commandments. Huckabee is right. There were NO such massacres before the Supreme Court declared the schools "God-free." The Supremes further denied the sanctity of life with the Roe v. Wade ruling. When children are taught "Thou shalt not kill" from an early age they will not violate their own consciences. These same children who were mown down yesterday could have their lives snuffed out wordlessly only 6 years ago by abortion--even as they were leaving the birth canal.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: postaway, 12/15/2012 1:24:13 PM     (No. 9067647)

I don´t think Huckabee meant that having prayer in school or teaching about God would have magically protected the students. I think he´s referring to the removal of God and the subsequent replacement by a narcissistic entitlement culture that convinces many to do evil things, despite the consequences to others, simply because they want to. I don´t think he´s being opportunistic; he is a preacher and this is the way he sees the world.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Passion, 12/15/2012 1:29:00 PM     (No. 9067652)

Ridiculous statement by Huckabee, and very poorly timed. I would think God is far more concerned at this minute with the grief than the cause.

I´m all for more God in schook, but when a 20 year old kills kids at a school for kindergarten and elementary age students, it is obviously an attack from outside the school, so what went on inside the school is not relevant.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/15/2012 1:30:11 PM     (No. 9067653)

When one´s mind and heart are of God, one is less likely to follow evil behaviour.

Billy Graham´s daughter Ruth had some very interesting things to say about the removal of God from our society during an interview shortly after 9/11/01. Basically she said that this country told God to leave us alone and being the gentleman He is He did.

Our country is reaping the whirlwind right now.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: coyote56, 12/15/2012 1:47:42 PM     (No. 9067684)

Of all the posts above I must agree with #22 - man was created to solve the "Angelic Conflict" & we may have to fight the "sons of Hagar" before our Republic wakes up. As far as Huckabee´s comments pastors & priests have stopped teaching true Bible Doctrines & joined the United Coucil of Churches & global idealistic Utopiatism. Either the Bible is the Word of God or it is not. Our Republic was founded for believers(those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Savior who died for their sins) along with those who have freedom not to believe or 1st Amendment freedom. It is all there in the Bible along with free enterprise,capitalism & morals. As far as the horrible killings yesterday I believe that this killer was suffering from mental illness & that there are 20 new stars in Heaven today because they had not reached the age of accountability to beleive or not to believe. Prayer is needed for their parents.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Momma Walton, 12/15/2012 1:54:03 PM     (No. 9067698)

This was truly a Satanic attack.

In my local paper in the Seattle area I read on the first page - "Schools ready for day they pray never comes". Now we can pray!

Why not acknowledge our need for God and His intervention in our daily lives?

We all need to examine our hearts/minds/souls/spirits to really know what we do believe.

God alone is our salvation! During this holy Christmas season we are again reminded of our need for Jesus, just as they did back then.

We have forsaken our faith to become open to all that comes our way. Only Jesus saves! Only Jesus was born/died so that we might one day experience His Love/Grace in His eternal Kingdom provided for those who love Him.

We have forsaken the Bible, God´s Word, somehow thinking we are above God and have allowed the media to control our lives instead of God, who created US, who loves US, who wants US to abound with His goodness

Return to God and see what He is able to do. Repentence is needed before we can fully grasp the goodness of God, His Love/Grace, His power to triumph over evil, wherever we find it

We need to again sing out the praises of God. He has blessed America in the past, will do so in the future, "if" only we honor Him for who He is - Almighty God!

May those suffering the loss of their loved ones be at Peace in the knowledge of God´s promise of His Kingdom. These children are precious in His sight. We need to live each day in the awareness of God´s presence, His willingness to provide our every need through His precious shed blood for our sakes



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Reply 30 - Posted by: snakeoil, 12/15/2012 1:56:34 PM     (No. 9067704)

I´m not smart enough to know what the answers are. But back in the 1930s Bonnie and Clyde along with the likes of Machine Gun Kelly had access to weapons just as deadly as the one used to kill these kids. But they didn´t walk into theaters, schools, hospitals, etc. and open fire. When they killed someone there was a reason. Excepts for Whitman back at the University of Texas in the 60s, killing for no reason is something recent. Movies? I watched cowboy and Indian (native American, feather no red dot) movies with immense carnage and had no desire to kill anyone. Same for war movies. But those movies featured Right versus Wrong. Today´s movies are anything goes.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Melody, 12/15/2012 2:08:23 PM     (No. 9067725)

Ronald Reagan said, ´´In 1962, the Supreme Court ... banned the ... saying of prayers. In 1963, the Court banned the reading of the Bible in our public schools ... a series of assaults were made in one court after another. Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience. ... Without God there is a coarsening of the society. Without God democracy will not and cannot long endure. ... America needs God more than God needs America. If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.´´

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Hermoine, 12/15/2012 2:25:35 PM     (No. 9067756)

#31 -- First of all, who says that this young man didn´t have a "reason." We may not know the reason yet, but reports say they are finding evidence to piece together a story...and mental illness is not new and this is not the first time something of this scale has happened. The worst school disaster in the history of country took place on May 18, 1927 in Bath Township in the state of Michigan. A crazy SOB named Andrew Kehoe killed his wife (first) and then blew up a school full of children and then the first responders that were coming to put out the fire on the burning building. It was horrific. 38 children and adults killed and another 58 injured. You can read all about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 12/15/2012 2:51:47 PM     (No. 9067796)

Huckabee was right. He frequently is, not that it fazes some chronic detractors. And for several reasons.
Culture matters. A society, a culture, that respects the history of the nation, that at least recognizes the Christian basis for the nation, will at least be DIFFERENT from one that at best ignores, and more frequently misrepresents and slanders those foundations. A society in which the expectation is that a man and a woman will be, and remain married, before having and raising children, will be different, and better, than one that does not.
Or expectations of conduct and personal responsibility.
Do we really need examples?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/15/2012 3:07:45 PM     (No. 9067821)

I´ve been told that God does act in strange ways and that we are to trust Him.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Rob_NC, 12/15/2012 4:31:50 PM     (No. 9067915)

The Governor was exactly right...we have allowed sex,violence,basically a let it all hang out attitude that has come back to haunt was with so much mental deviancy ....IN GOD WE TRUST....
not really anymore .......

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Reply 36 - Posted by: JoniTx, 12/15/2012 4:54:06 PM     (No. 9067943)

Imagine if the McGuffey Readers were still used in schools today.

From this site:

http://www.howtotutor.com/guffy.htm

~~The original 1836 version of the fabled reading instruction books which for three-quarters of a century were used by four-fifths of all American school children. Some 120 million sets were sold. No other books ever had so much influence over so many children over such a long period.~~

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Sherlock, 12/15/2012 4:55:06 PM     (No. 9067945)

#5 did you just come to this site, to post your vile hatred for Christians? seems so, its people LIKE YOU that is what is wrong with our nation and the world. GOD is the same as he was in medieval times and so is his word "Thy Shalt Not Kill" will never change.
As far as the menially ill go, they`re running loose because of bleeding heart liberals ...period

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Tulsa, 12/15/2012 5:32:01 PM     (No. 9068005)

The guv and several posters used the term ´we´.

Does the guv know me? No he does not. Do those posters? No they do not.

I have no idea to whom they refer, but I am not a ´we´.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/15/2012 8:37:58 PM     (No. 9068232)

Amen!!!

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Former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) said a number of junior GOP senators considering a presidential run in 2016 do not yet have the experience — specifically naming Rand Paul (Ky.), Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Ted Cruz (Texas). The former 1996 GOP presidential candidate sounded particularly skeptical of Cruz in an interview this week with The Wichita Eagle. "A number of the younger members, first-termers like Rand Paul, Rubio and that extreme-right-wing guy, Ted Cruz — all running for president now. I don´t think they´ve got enough experience yet," Dole said. The 90-year-old former senator said, however, his main concern about 2016 is living

Jeb Bush is your only chance
against Hillary, Republicans

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Hot Air, by Bob Schrum    Original Article
Posted By: quantumman- 4/22/2014 6:32:54 AM     Post Reply
If Jeb reaches for the nomination, there will be a titanic battle between the party establishment and the Tea Party. Steve Schmidt, McCain’s strategist in 2008, insists that in the end Republicans usually settle on the most electable candidate. To get by, this Bush may be forced to trim his positions, although the cautionary tale of Romney suggests that he would have to tack artfully and carefully for the sake of the general election. Certainly he will have the resources to outlast, discredit, and disqualify his rivals.

Michelle Obama:
´splurging is the key to life´

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
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Washington - Michelle Obama said "splurging is the key to life" if you regularly eat right and stay active. Her biggest guilty pleasure: French fries. "How would you appreciate vegetables if you never had chocolate?" she asked. "You couldn´t live without a little chocolate, a little French fries." The first lady took questions from children reporters Monday after appearing at the White House Easter Egg Roll. She told the children that if they eat right the majority of the time, then a splurge or snack is not going to hurt them. "I still splurge when I can, but that's why I try to exercise almost every day," she said.

Fraud runs rampant in Census Bureau
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New York Post, by John Crudele    Original Article
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There’s a pattern of falsifying statistics throughout the entire Census Bureau. And anyone who attempts to blow the whistle on the fraud is either retaliated against or ignored, according to two new sources who have experienced the process firsthand. As I’ve been writing for more than six months, the Census Bureau office in Philadelphia uncovered a case of fraud in 2010, did nothing about it and allowed the practice to continue. In that instance, a data collector named Julius Buckmon was faking reports that went into the nation’s all-important jobless tally and consumer-inflation survey. Because the Census Bureau’s surveys are scientific — meaning

Professor: ‘Colleges Will Start Closing Up’ if
‘Racist, Misogynist, Money-Grubbing’ GOP Wins

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National Review Online, by Andrew Johnson    Original Article
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New audio reveals an Eastern Connecticut State University professor warning that Republicans will “want things to go back — not to to 1955, but to 1855? if they win control of Congress in November. Republican victories could also put him out of a job, he cautioned. “We will live in a very, very, very different kind of country if that happens,” Professor Brent Terry told students in his Introduction to Creative Writing course, according to audio obtained by Campus Reform. “I mean, colleges will start closing up if these people have their way.” Over the course of his rant, Terry characterized conservatives

But Seriously, Just How
Slow-Witted is John Boehner?

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American Thinker, by C. Edmund Wright    Original Article
Posted By: quantumman- 4/21/2014 7:22:21 AM     Post Reply
As he moves from lobbyists to the golf course, from press conferences to the tanning bed, he remains oblivious to all that is around him. He has power, incredible power, and yet to this day he has no understanding of the election that made it so. Moreover, all around him are astonishing opportunities for him to be an historic figure -- one who could and should be the man who did more than any other single person in turning back the red tide of Obama. It’s all there for Speaker of the House, and yet John Boehner manages to miss


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