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Topic: Obama: We must ´take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this´ |
Obama: We must ´take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this´
Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm
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Posted By:SurferLad, 12/15/2012 9:28:05 AM
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| On Friday, we learned that more than two dozen people were killed when a gunman opened fire in an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Most of those who died were just young children with their whole lives ahead of them. And every parent in America has a heart heavy with hurt. Among the fallen were also teachers—men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Rubinski, 12/15/2012 9:32:33 AM (No. 9067108)
I think a great start would be reinstating prayer in schools.
Do you thinhk this is the meaningful action that Obama might have in mind?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
TheMom, 12/15/2012 9:34:09 AM (No. 9067114)
Well, here it comes. I predict he will issue the gun grab EO before Monday.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
jimK1, 12/15/2012 9:34:45 AM (No. 9067116)
Arm the teachers so incidents like this won´t happen again, but I doubt that the Communist in Chief meant that.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Johnny Angle, 12/15/2012 9:34:45 AM (No. 9067117)
Were the people in this dysfunctional Connecticut family registered Democrats? Just wondering.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Attercliffe, 12/15/2012 9:35:05 AM (No. 9067119)
Easing restrictions in those states where concealed carry isn´t encouraged?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
rabbit, 12/15/2012 9:35:10 AM (No. 9067120)
My only concern is that the solution for the street corners of Chicago and the solution for the mass killings is not the same. The Chicago street corners are due to a subculture that glorifies violence. These people are not mentally ill, but have been conditioned that violence is an acceptable way of getting what they want.
In contrast, the mass killers have been mentally ill. Generally they showed no propensity for violence before their horrific action. Instead, they showed a propensity for serious mental illness, which can include psychosis.
In the Chicago situation, the solution is changing the subculture. In the mass killing situation, the solution is easier access to mental health treatment, including a reduction in the ´right to privacy´ that blocks parents, teachers, medical personnel and police from getting the person into treatment when they clearly see that the person´s mental capacity is deteriorating. We also need more restriction on access to guns by persons with serious mental illness. Today, families of these people are not being taught to keep guns out of their homes, nor are there restrictions on sales of weapons to those with serious mental illness.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
dr.lakerman, 12/15/2012 9:37:07 AM (No. 9067124)
Amen, #6.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
franq, 12/15/2012 9:38:00 AM (No. 9067128)
Sorry, must disagree with #6. The only segment who would benefit from the psychological solution are those in the mental health industry. Metal detectors would be far more effective. If the gunman can´t get in, who can he shoot?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Davids918, 12/15/2012 9:38:14 AM (No. 9067130)
Funny how Rep. Jerry Nadler is asking for leadership from Obama on this issue.
Won´t happen. He´s never lead - he´s waiting for Valerie Jarrett´s instructions.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
rabbit, 12/15/2012 9:38:28 AM (No. 9067131)
#4, mental illness can strike anywhere. The family is not necessarily dysfunctional. I know many families with a loved one with the diagnoses of this shooter; those families have moved mountains to get their child the help he needs. And they live in fear that one day, they could become the victim, or they could get a phone call that their loved one was the perpetrator of something. The only mistake I see at this point for this family was keeping guns in their homes while a person with these diagnoses was living there. No matter how much is taught about gun safety, psychosis overrides it all. No one living with someone capable of a psychotic break should have guns in their home.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
RosietheObserver, 12/15/2012 9:41:24 AM (No. 9067137)
This is the "burning of the Reichstag" moment. O will use it to take control.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
JAN, 12/15/2012 9:43:50 AM (No. 9067143)
Resignation would be a good start.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
stablemoney, 12/15/2012 9:47:36 AM (No. 9067155)
Obama makes his perpetual "never happens again" remarks that he makes after every tragedy, and we can be assured that he will make them again.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
scarface67, 12/15/2012 9:47:47 AM (No. 9067156)
This is a time for grieving, not political rhetoric.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Not your typical New Yorker, 12/15/2012 9:50:22 AM (No. 9067163)
Oh barry! Does that mean the democrats will allow mental patients to be institutionalized again instead of roaming amongst us on the streets???!!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
angelesgift, 12/15/2012 9:52:49 AM (No. 9067173)
Meaningful action would be to put up signs at schools saying, "Armed Security on Staff" and arm them. Instead, innocent children get smugly stupid signs saying, "Gun-free Zone" (that may as well say "Target-Rich Environment").
While we´re at it, let´s take a meaningful survey of all the gun grabbing control-freak politicians and celebrities to see how many of them have armed security. Disgusting hypocrites who want to punish people who didn´t do anything because it makes them feel good about themselves.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
bogeegolf, 12/15/2012 9:54:38 AM (No. 9067180)
yeah make it law that if you have an establishment that says "gun free zone " you check everyone as they enter the building. I try to avoid those places although a lot of hospitals and clinics have them. Mental cases probably don´t read them.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
lillehuset, 12/15/2012 10:00:00 AM (No. 9067191)
Dare I suggest years and years of extremely violent video games, t.v. and movies could play a part with a disturbed youngster...........however you will never hear from the liberals who make millions from this form of entertainment...
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
6079 Smith, W, 12/15/2012 10:08:33 AM (No. 9067213)
"Meaningful action" is lib talk for gun control, because it was the gun that forced the kid to kill.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
alaskaal, 12/15/2012 10:09:31 AM (No. 9067214)
A root cause analysis of this event would not reveal the gun to be the cause. Until our society is forced to do what any successful business would do to eliminate incidents, nothing will change.
Meaningful action means doing what feels good, or fits an agenda not what is meaningful nor provide action.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
VinGoombatz, 12/15/2012 10:10:29 AM (No. 9067216)
#10 excellent points. I too have known good families with a troubled kid. Very very sad. Our mental health industry can do next to nothing. It´s some people making a buck...prescribing mild sedatives for the most part. Not much better than leeches (the medicine...or, wait...)
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Yephora, 12/15/2012 10:21:10 AM (No. 9067240)
Bingo #15.
It was the Demonrats who legislated the closing of lunatic asylums and made us take the crazies back into society.
Oops, can you still say crazies?
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
roger h. cook,MD, 12/15/2012 10:27:02 AM (No. 9067247)
The answer is you cant prevent this, as I have written before you cant force a mental problem case hospitaijze. The surprime opened the mental hospital gates years ago because their " rights were being violated by forced hospitialization.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
mitzi, 12/15/2012 10:31:47 AM (No. 9067258)
Meaningful action? Who´s going to be on the losing end of this action? The perps or the law abiding citizens.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
GringoinQuito, 12/15/2012 10:32:08 AM (No. 9067260)
I submit that this societies young people have become desentizied to violence through violent ideo games, bloody violent movies such as those by Tarantino, the "Hostel" films, the everyday violence in the black neighborhoods, etc. this is what has to be cleaned up, and fast. They are burying their heads in the sand by avoiding these issues and blaming it all on guns.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
fembot, 12/15/2012 10:36:37 AM (No. 9067269)
The FIRST and most fundamental thing we must do is to bring back three things currently very unpopular in this society -- morality, self-control, and responsibility. Teach the younger generation RIGHT FROM WRONG and make them aware that it is their RESPONSIBILITY to control their behavior and do what is right!
True mental illness will always be with us. But to be brutally honest, how many of the people who are currently diagnosed with mental illnesses are really MORALLY ill? We bring up our children without a sense of right and wrong, and then when they act out their fallen human natures, we give them drugs and call them mentally ill. The TV and the schools tell them all day long that they´re entitled to do whatever "feels good" and that self-control is a bad and repressive thing. Then we wonder why they don´t control their impulses, including the most vicious ones.
There will always be those who insist on breaking moral rules. However, how can we expect moral behavior from a generation that never learned the difference between moral and amoral behavior? It ain´t rocket science, folks.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Freeloader, 12/15/2012 10:47:58 AM (No. 9067297)
Hollow words from the leader of "The Party of Death"...who rejoices over the slaughter of 55,000,000 innocent helpless souls, since 1973, as a "constitutional right."
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
jasmine, 12/15/2012 10:53:44 AM (No. 9067310)
There are always warnings. Unfortunately, liberals led the charge to empty mental hospitals, starting back in the 1950s.
As liberals always do, they neglected to think it through. A society that puts up too many hurdles to the evaluation and hospitalization of the mentally ill ends up with some people living on the streets, and others living in homes where their families are at risk.
Meaningful action means we stop pretending the only civil rights worth protecting are those of the mentally ill.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
jorgecito, 12/15/2012 10:57:59 AM (No. 9067317)
#10, the family was to some degree dysfunctional, by definition. I.e., the young man´s parents got divorced apparently when he was barely into his teens.
Often parents will try to put a happy face on divorce "(it was amicable, the kids will be fine, they´ll get over it") but we all know better. Divorce is devastating to children.
Of course not all children in dysfunctional families become murderers; but conversely, it is almost certainly true that all murderers come from dysfunctional families.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Country Boy, 12/15/2012 10:58:39 AM (No. 9067320)
I think a "meaningful action" would be for obama to stop his class warfare hate speech. According to the Dem Think, 90% of the country is getting screwed by the other 10% and we need a much bigger government to get some fairness. Problem is, mentally unstable people take matters into their own hands, like we see these tragedies more and more.
The Dems constant incitement of rage and hatred is fueling a lot of this violence. I never heard Ronald Reagan even once tell people that they should be mad and seek revenge.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Italiano, 12/15/2012 10:59:46 AM (No. 9067323)
This from the monster who approves of killing babies who survive attempted abortions.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
bighambone, 12/15/2012 11:09:19 AM (No. 9067346)
You have to remember that there are a lot of mentally ill people out there who vote for the liberal Democrats, so the liberal Democrats are not going to emphasize the fact that these murders were perpetrated by a mentally ill person.
On the other side of the coin, firearms have no vote, so you can safely bet that the liberal Democrats will attempt to lay as much blame as they can on guns.
What the Congress should be doing is passing effective measures, including waiving the medical privacy laws during background checks for prospective firearms purchasers, that would greatly help to keep mentally ill people from being able to purchase firearms, as the current ATF background procedures for firearms purchasers are clearly ineffective in that respect.
In the Connecticut case, even tightening up the ATF procedures might not have worked, as from first reports, if correct, it appears that the perpetrator´s mother had the guns that he used registered in her name, certainly an indication that she may have been a firearms straw purchaser who affectively bought guns for her mentally ill son, resulting in the loss of her life, and the lives of 26 other innocent people.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Teleologicus, 12/15/2012 11:33:19 AM (No. 9067402)
Firearms have long been easily available. Spree killings by young people are new. Blaming the tool used does not account for the phenomenon. The incredible pornographic violence of pop culture is the new factor here and is undoubtedly a major contributor to such horrible shootings. In movies, on TV, in music(rap) and, most of all, in violent video games the violence is omnipresent and graphically depicted. The latest killer, like the Columbine killers and others, including the Norway mass killer, was exposed to all of this, including the violent video games, some of the most popular of which are called "first person shooter" games.
Many elements go into these terrible crimes. Ignoring everything but the murder weapon itself is shallow and misleading. It mistakes the symptom for the disease. And it represents a denial of the existential peril of life and well as the propensity of human beings for premeditated evil. Liberal fantasy ideology has no room for any of this and insists upon blaming the weapons and those who disagree with their emotional urge to eliminate the instruments of violence.
Monstrous acts of wickedness like these child murders punch a hole in the imaginary life world of liberals which they are desperate to plug as quickly as possible. Having rejected the category of evil for the pseudo-explanations of superficial rationalism, liberals are unable to comprehend acts of pure evil and prefer to change the subject and avert their eyes. Championing more gun control and demonizing those who oppose them is a convenient and effective means of avoiding the many issues raised by these horrifying slaughters of the innocents.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
RUReadyY3K, 12/15/2012 11:47:46 AM (No. 9067428)
Maybe Lanza didn´t see the "Gun Free Zone" signs. Then again, why would anyone think those signs and the similar "Drug Free Zones" would prevent anything?
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
jackburton, 12/15/2012 11:50:52 AM (No. 9067431)
I agree with the above poster. ´Gun free zone´ = ´target rich environment.´
Teach people, starting in school, not to kill. Enforce that.
Best start.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
Mike PHX, 12/15/2012 12:00:37 PM (No. 9067446)
If Obama doesn´t win the acadamy award for his fake crying, it will be the biggest upset since Don Knotts not winning for "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken".
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Sunhan65, 12/15/2012 12:24:08 PM (No. 9067486)
If the voice in my head wrote as well as #33, it would write what #33 posted.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
bighambone, 12/15/2012 12:57:59 PM (No. 9067564)
Many of the factors that #33 brings out above are created by the very liberal Hollywood and New York entertainment industries who were huge contributers to Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.
So look for the liberal Democrats to completely ignore things like violent movies, and computer games as they consider what course of action to take politically.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
whyyeseyec, 12/15/2012 12:59:28 PM (No. 9067569)
It didn`t take long for the dems to march out Gabby Giffords after this tragedy. She`s the new Sarah Brady...
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
homjett, 12/15/2012 1:36:05 PM (No. 9067659)
#33 nailed it. One can just timeline the cause an effect of movies, videos, TV programs over the years. Rather then call for Gun Control, might be better to boycott these things that perpetuate violent behavior.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
tomanderson61, 12/15/2012 1:47:27 PM (No. 9067683)
Ok great, what is "meaningful action"? Gun control? We all know that will only take guns away from people who want to defend themselves. Whackjobs and criminals will always be able to get guns.
Here is the truth. We live in a free society. With that comes responsibility. You cannot control all irresponsible behavior. Take guns away, people will use illegal arms. Or knives, or look up how to make a poison gas and throw it into a classroom, or a bomb in a suitcase. Or whatever.
As awful as it is, that is living in a free society. What is the alternative? Start locking up in a mental facility anyone you don´t like or looks at you funny. Arrest your 7 year old kid for saying "I am going to kill you" to a bullying classmate. Take your defensive weapons away. Create a federal police force to "investigate undesirables".
Which way do you want it folks, freedom with the associated horrors of dirtbags and psychos, or lose all your freedoms and be imprisoned in your own society?
I know which one this "president" wants.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
hershey, 12/15/2012 1:48:51 PM (No. 9067689)
I´ve said it before and I"ll say it again....every time gun owners make progress (the latest decision against Illinois in court), something like this happens...
It isn´t far from feasible that the anti-gunners have a ´stable´ of unstable people and every once in a while they arm them and trot them out to commit some carnage or another.
Just because you don´t think they are out to get you doesn´t mean they aren´t...
Just saying......
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
MDConservative, 12/15/2012 1:58:37 PM (No. 9067708)
#6 - "The Chicago street corners are due to a subculture that glorifies violence."
The murderer is identified as a "goth"...like Columbine, like other "mass" incidents. Goth is as much a poisonous, violent subculture as gangstas...no, gangstas don´t attack school kids in classrooms.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Nevadadad46, 12/15/2012 2:10:32 PM (No. 9067730)
More signs paid for by Federal Gvt borrowed money from China- Saying in larger letters, "Gun Free Zone!"
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
NYbob, 12/15/2012 2:48:13 PM (No. 9067791)
#12, the guns were registered. The Democrats and some Republicans want to force a choice so you have to decide, are we going to be like Israel and Switzerland or like Britain and Japan? I guess being like Vermont is off the table. Please remember that if you like the ´no guns ever´ route, criminals, bad cops, very wealthy, politicians and friend of the court will always have their guns. It´s just that YOU will not have that option again. It´s a BIG step and you might want to read some recent global history before you apply the magical thinking.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
WIBadger, 12/15/2012 3:03:19 PM (No. 9067814)
Well we knew this was coming eventually.
Good crisis and all that.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
Conservativegirl, 12/15/2012 3:41:32 PM (No. 9067868)
#14, you were refering to the President´s comment, weren´t you?
Girl´s Hubby
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
flatwater, 12/15/2012 4:25:35 PM (No. 9067908)
Just wondering, who grieves for the 300+ Mexican Citizens dead because Barack Obama decided to sell weapons to Mexico´s most violent drug cartels?
Obama´s "Operation Fast & Furious" resulted in the murders of over three hundred people, twelve times the number of victims in the Sandy Hook shootings, and we still can´t get any answers from the (p)Resident as to WHY he did it.
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
srhcb, 12/15/2012 7:25:48 PM (No. 9068139)
I´d be all in favor of BS and PC Free Zones, as well as No Media Allowed signs.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
LanieLou, 12/15/2012 9:36:24 PM (No. 9068289)
Obama is going to allow the families to pray to him in person, as their savior, when he makes a speech there, announcing a temporary ban on gun sales.
After some time passes, someone needs to highlight the crime rates in Gun Free Zones.
Also, please don´t advocate for gov´t mental incarceration. DHS is already planning to deem all returning military with combat experience with mental problems that mean they can´t have a gun.
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Conservative radio host Mark Levin is very skeptical of the idea that President Obama had absolutely no idea about the IRS tea party targeting before the story broke in the news mere weeks ago. Levin declared adamantly that it is a “flat-out, bald-faced lie” that Obama didn’t know beforehand, citing prior reports by a few conservative news outlets picking up on the news well before the 2012 presidential election. Levin said, “I don’t believe for two seconds that Obama wasn’t aware of this.”
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The Mystery Night
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Politico, by Rich Lowry
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Posted By: RappVol- 5/23/2013 7:36:59 AM
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On “Fox News Sunday” last weekend, White House aide Dan Pfeiffer was asked about President Barack Obama’s whereabouts the night of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi. This was the night when we lost our first ambassador in 30 years, and when three other Americans were killed in an attack that lasted all night long at multiple locations within the eastern Libyan city. Since the president is commander in chief, one would think where he was and what he did during such an event would be of obvious public concern.
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