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Solar Panels for Every Home
New York Times, by David Crane & Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 12/13/2012 5:40:55 AM

WE don’t think much about pitch pine poles until storms like Hurricane Sandy litter our landscape with their splintered corpses and arcing power lines. Crews from as far away as California and Quebec have worked feverishly to repair or replace those poles as utility companies rebuild their distribution systems the way they were before. Residents of New Jersey and New York have lived through three major storms in the past 16 months, suffering through sustained blackouts, closed roads and schools, long gas lines and disrupted lives, all caused by the destruction of our electric system.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: BcdErick, 12/13/2012 6:24:12 AM     (No. 9062861)

I bet Bobby Jr´s wife would like a solar panel. The guy is trash.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/13/2012 6:27:56 AM     (No. 9062865)

Yeah,I´m sure solar panels can run the Ac when it´s a 100 degrees out and other appliances. How about just upgrading the electrical grid?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Historybuff, 12/13/2012 6:46:00 AM     (No. 9062884)

Did you see all those people knocked off the grid by hurricane Sandy powering their homes with solar panels?

Neither did I - they were on line for GASOLINE.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 12/13/2012 6:49:47 AM     (No. 9062890)

Would never work in much of the Midwest like Cleveland where the sun never shines.

It might be good re power up your watch batteries so you won´t miss your trip to get your EBT card and Obamaphone and a block of government cheese.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: redinabluestate, 12/13/2012 6:53:00 AM     (No. 9062893)

Ha Ha....I needed a good laugh this morning!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: jeffreyabigail, 12/13/2012 6:56:24 AM     (No. 9062895)

What an idiot. Even if solar panels can run your basic electricity, it will never be reliable and/or adequate enough to have homes removed from the grid (in NYC we had five straight days of zero sunlight last week, and temperatures over 100 degrees were common in Texas last summer).

Why does Kennedy propose this? Because protecting "mother earth" is his religion.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: civilservant, 12/13/2012 6:59:28 AM     (No. 9062897)

A solar array on your roof does NOT power that house. The power is simply returned to the grid.
The Kennedy´s are all morons.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: skywarrior, 12/13/2012 7:31:35 AM     (No. 9062948)

Correct #7. And, solar panels attached to the roof by brackets would be more vulnerable to hurricane winds than power poles sunk in the ground. And the biggest threat to those overhead wires isn´t the wind per se, but airborne debris falling on those wires (think trees and tree limbs). People who don´t experience windstorms very often considerably underrate just how powerful they are. Sandy was a wide storm, but it was NOT a "super storm". It was a Cat 1 Hurricane. NY/NJ were positioned in the dangerous semicircle of the storm where storm surge is the worst. It ain´t rocket science. Only bad luck.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: chance_232, 12/13/2012 7:33:33 AM     (No. 9062952)

Because the solar panels will NEVER be damaged during a hurricane. And the battery back-ups are immune to flooding. And because they work so well is states that get little sunshine in the winter.....and because they work so much better under 6" of snow /S/S/S/S/

If there is one thing that I´ve learned it´s this. The vast majority of those advocating for solar and wind have no concept of how the systems actually work or the minimum requirements to make them useful. And most of these morons dont understand that a single solar panel wont power a house...you need to cover the entire roof.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: twinkle93, 12/13/2012 7:40:13 AM     (No. 9062963)

George W proposed a program to harden the grid in the northeast but the dems voted it down.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: R. Edgar, 12/13/2012 7:41:40 AM     (No. 9062967)

Yeah.

How about "Brains for every Liberal"?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 12/13/2012 7:44:07 AM     (No. 9062968)

#6,

Protecting "mother earth"? No, he´s in this for the money. He´s a scam artist and crook like his Grandpa Joe.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Judith, 12/13/2012 7:47:00 AM     (No. 9062975)

Here, in my small town in MA, where there seems to be more gray days then sunny, our selectmen found a brand new organization (not quite a year old)to develop a solar farm. It was a no bid contract to a company that had no history of accomplishment. They took over an area that had served the community for years as a place to dispose of yard waste (without providing a new place). The proposed farm would provide power for 700 families in a town with 23,000 people. EVERYONE´S taxes and cost of electric power would increase in order to pay for this experiment. Liberalism truly is a disease.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: fritzilou, 12/13/2012 7:51:38 AM     (No. 9062985)

I grew up in sunny south Floridawith solar panels on my house that was built in 1937. They worked enough to heat the water for a shower, if it was a sunny day; otherwise we relied upon the reliable electric boiler for hot water. We lived without air conditioning or heat for most of my youth and the big thrill of those days was when we each got a bedroom air conditioning unit. For the first time I didn´t have to sleep with my head out the window seeking a breeze or on sweaty wet sheets or with the tornedo fan roaring in the middle of the room; what luxury and relief from the south Florida heat.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: nina584, 12/13/2012 8:04:42 AM     (No. 9063009)

Good old Bobby and his deceased wife scammed companies for free products to make all the renovations green on their house. I cannot understand why this drug addict has any audience. He is a fraud and God knows what else.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: novakid, 12/13/2012 8:13:39 AM     (No. 9063022)

When did little Bobby get his degree in engineering? Perhaps the Kennedys come with all the necessary education built in.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 12/13/2012 8:14:43 AM     (No. 9063025)

In order for solar to be truly effective, you have to live completely off-grid. I have, and believe me it is truly liberating to be free of the local electric monopoly!

But.... there´s a lot of work and diligence involved. You don´t just mount a panel or two on your roof and start plugging in your stuff. Initial expenses are still astronomic, and recouping your investment takes years if not decades.

But it IS nice to not get an electric bill.... If you can do without a few of your appliances, learn to unplug when not using, and watch your wattage/amp meter, and you´re OK on cloudy and short winter days when sunlight is minimal, and you keep your battery bank conditioned and watered, and fuel in your generator, it´s great.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Bjnealeigh, 12/13/2012 8:17:03 AM     (No. 9063031)

They don´t work. We tried them during Carter´s failed presidency. Democrats are stupid. They keep trying the same things over and over.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: erv, 12/13/2012 8:33:32 AM     (No. 9063062)

I thought about investing in solar but found it to be very expensive. It is cheaper if you eliminate the battery bank and hook up to the grid sending your generated power unto the grid; however, you are still dependent upon the grid.

Instead, I used the money to invest in electric companies. I use the dividends to pay for my electricity. I also purchased a generator for those times the power is not on. Just like the previous poster that uses solar still needs a generator for those times his set-up does not generate enough electricity.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/13/2012 8:38:11 AM     (No. 9063074)

Because they would work so well in Oregon and Washinton.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/13/2012 8:59:43 AM     (No. 9063124)

Didn´t the late uncle Teddy throw a whale sized fit when they wanted to put wind turbines near his estate on Cape Cod? Solar panels are even more ugly. And I agree with an earlier point which is, a house roof is MUCH more vulnerable to being pulled totally off the house when there is something like a large panel attached to it. The insurance industry could have a field day with this one.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jackie, 12/13/2012 9:11:58 AM     (No. 9063149)

Just another Kennedy in a drug and booze state of mind...oh wait..I am not sure he has one ..
The Kennedy family,distasteful ignorant, scum...

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Reply 23 - Posted by: LouD, 12/13/2012 9:12:13 AM     (No. 9063152)

The only estimate I could find for the cost of solar panels was $10-$12 a watt. A medium sized system to provide power to a small or very energy efficient house might cost $25,000 and a solar system to power a large house could cost $50,000+. Yeah, I´m going to live long enough to see a pay-back. And that doesn´t consider installation or maintenance over the long run. I could spend $5-6 thousand for a backup propane or natural gas generator ans be way ahead.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: realrep, 12/13/2012 9:13:49 AM     (No. 9063156)

#6 ´Why does Kennedy propose this? Because protecting "mother earth" is his religion.´
FTM Follow the money. He´s either a silent partner of a solar company, getting kickbacks or the helping a solar company get millions in gov´t grants,




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Reply 25 - Posted by: southernboy, 12/13/2012 9:23:50 AM     (No. 9063177)

Plus, NO ONE ever mentions when and how to clean these things. I can look at my metal roof that is only a couple of years old. It´s covered in a film of dirt that is only cleaned when a few inches of snow accumulates, then slides off.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: noproblems, 12/13/2012 9:47:24 AM     (No. 9063228)

Someone needs to asks these guys if it is exhausting being arrogant while stupid.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: hybernicus, 12/13/2012 9:59:27 AM     (No. 9063251)

Solar panels are impervious to storm damage? And they work in the darkness of storms?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: comstock, 12/13/2012 10:37:56 AM     (No. 9063340)

I´d consider it when the lifetime of the panels exceeds the payback. Currently the average lifespan is about 20 years, and many fail before that.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: jacksin5, 12/13/2012 11:09:43 AM     (No. 9063418)

Although it is prohibitively expensive to take perfectly good overhead transmission lines and replace them with their underground counterparts, in the aftermath of a storm of this magnitude, it is a perfect opportunity to do so.
Having said that, if your roof blows off, how exactly are solar panels going to help you? If your house damage is extensive, why would you want to introduce electricity back into your dwelling?

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