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One doctor´s life for one SEAL´s life:
Was it really worth that?

Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm

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Posted By:SurferLad, 12/11/2012 9:14:26 AM

It´s the kind of news that makes anyone sick, especially parents and especially around holidays when families are supposed to be reunited, not shattered. And when it´s the death of just one person, the fatal event allows those watching to personalize this awful Afghanistan war, which is ignored at home and has descended into a meaninglessness drift after a decade of deaths. Nicolas Checque was a 28-year-old, much-decorated member of the hallowed SEAL Team 6.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 12/11/2012 9:22:42 AM     (No. 9059201)

no

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Reply 2 - Posted by: John c, 12/11/2012 9:28:48 AM     (No. 9059208)

No.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 12/11/2012 9:33:26 AM     (No. 9059222)

As I see it, maybe I´m somewhat cold. This doctor went into an area of the world that is dangerous. He knew his chances and he took them. When trouble erupts and the doctor is in trouble the U.S. Govenment went in to save him. My answer is the same as #1.....NO.

Where was the rescue team for our two CIA (former Navy Seals) in Benghazi?????

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 12/11/2012 9:34:58 AM     (No. 9059225)

Doctors are a dime a dozen. You can get them in Cuba just sitting on the side of the road.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: pros7767, 12/11/2012 9:36:17 AM     (No. 9059228)

No.

While these do-gooders are busy pretending to try and save the world, our military are put at risk to save them when a dose of reality hits them on the head and they are captured by those they are trying to save.

I wouldn´t trade 100 doctors for Petty Officer Checque. He was one of our best and brightest.

Pray for his family. Pray for those in harm´s way, and pray for our country.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Manitouman, 12/11/2012 9:36:51 AM     (No. 9059230)

My beautiful and beastly black Lab chases cats - sometimes he is too rough if he catches one.

I was pretty uptight after he sent one to the great mousery once, and my neighbor lady, hearing of my angst, said -- Leave him alone, that´s what dogs DO!

I could have kept him inside and turned him into a show dog.

I could have kept him inside and gotten him really fat, so he couldn´t even chase his tail.

But I want him healthy and fit enough to operate as a dog should, so he gets to run, taste freedom, and makes the little animals he passes feel really alive.

Just a story about a dog. Zero reference to any human.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Pearson365, 12/11/2012 9:39:41 AM     (No. 9059242)

The tragic death of this Navy SEAL was only reported because it provided reminder that Obama killed a major source of terror info rather than place him in Bush´s Guantanamo. Otherwise, Nicolas death would have been reported like today´s loss:

ISAF casualty
2012-12-C-012
For Immediate Release

KABUL, Afghanistan (Dec. 10, 2012) – An International Security Assistance Force service member died following an improvised explosive device attack in southern Afghanistan today.

It is ISAF policy to defer casualty identification procedures to the relevant national authorities.



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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/11/2012 9:44:20 AM     (No. 9059260)

No.

Once again I agree with Andrew, who is one of our treasures:

But if some civilian, bravely or foolishly, willingly puts himself in harm´s way no matter how admirable the intent, should it really be the obligation of dutiful others whose lives are just as dear to their families to risk theirs in dangerous rescue attempts?

In forest-fire country, homeowners who choose to stay in the path of wildfires against evacuation orders are asked to sign a letter designating their next of kin and waiving any expectation of help or rescue. That´s done partly as a wake-up call, partly as a legal strategy. We´ve often thought mountain climbers and hikers who ignore weather warnings to do their wild thing in the wild should be required to do the same.


What exactly was this doctor doing there and why was he captured? His name sounds Indian or Pakistani...

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Reply 9 - Posted by: lydwho, 12/11/2012 9:44:24 AM     (No. 9059261)

Obama had a choice: Save one voter on my side, to hell with the voter against me!!!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 12/11/2012 9:45:35 AM     (No. 9059264)

I have no idea what #6 is talking about.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Manitouman, 12/11/2012 9:48:37 AM     (No. 9059271)

I´m sorry but the premis of the question is totally off base. It has nothing to do with equal worth, more value.

What greater purpose can we have but to rescue fellow citizens? Whether they are mentally challenged or not isn´t in the equation.

In the aftermath of the Libyan situation everyone wanted Americans rescued- as is right. But is this just for government employees?

If we crushed every despotic kidnapper, it wouldn´t be long and those bad buggers would be offering assistance, of their own free will.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/11/2012 9:54:01 AM     (No. 9059283)

I´m reminded of Tom Hanks´s character speaking to Matt Damon´s character at the end of "Saving Private Ryan". He said "earn this". I wonder if this doctor -- who is generating a lot of reasonable questions as to why he was out there in the first place -- will even know to whom he should be grateful for his life.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 12/11/2012 9:54:49 AM     (No. 9059286)

Here is an excerpt from the White Paper Morning Star Development, the organization that sent the doctor to Afghanistan. Considering the long history of internal strife in Afghanistan, its leader seems woefully underequipped to understand exactly what he is dealing with. The website appears to be mostly concerned with fundraising. Getting supporters to contribute on a monthly basis.

Morning Star Development (MSDEV) has demonstrated itself to be a highly effective, cutting edge NGO building institutional, governmental and economic and leadership capacity in post-Taliban Afghanistan. MSDEV has proven relationships with key Afghan officials that have been tempered by the adversity common in a recovering state. These relationships enable MSDEV to conceptualize, strategize, communicate and implement initiatives with favor, impact and sustainable success.

Established in 2002, MSDEV is a United States based 501(c)3 corporation registered as an NGO in Afghanistan. Founder and President Daniel Batchelder uses his background in business and natural resource management, and his fifteen years of Afghan cultural experience to provide the expertise and cross cultural skill needed for development progress to manifest through a civil society and government that rules justly, promotes economic freedom and invests in people.


http://www.msdev.org/morningstar/morningstar.php?page=white_paper

The Taliban would annihilate hubris-filled Batchelder in a nanosecond.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: jorgecito, 12/11/2012 9:56:37 AM     (No. 9059291)

Agree with Malcolm.

No doubt there are many Afghans who could use medical assistance (particularly women whose noses were cut off their own by relatives, for some perceived "dishonor").

But it is wrong to put others´ lives at risk in such a blatantly hostile environment. I suppose that old chestnut, "winning hearts and minds," is one of the do-gooders´ goals in Afghanistan; but such an effort will never work there.

The do-gooder organizations should go to needy populations where they will be welcomed with open arms, not kidnapped and murdered.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Emerson, 12/11/2012 10:06:18 AM     (No. 9059311)

More on the organization that sent the doctor to Afghanistan and the man who founded and heads it. He sounds like a dilettante who stumbled into this. The article compares him with Greg Mortensen, the author who wrote Three Cups of Tea about his school-guilding philanthropy. Problem is that four months after this article appeared in the Colorado Springs Gazette, Mortensen had been exposed as a fraud and accused of "financial improprieties" in connection with the monies he had raised.

One wonders.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/afghanistan-110477-endorsements-brokaw.html

Batchelder´s Linkedin page describes him as being in international trade and development.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Emerson, 12/11/2012 10:07:20 AM     (No. 9059318)

Correction - should have been "school-building".

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Reply 17 - Posted by: wilko, 12/11/2012 10:13:55 AM     (No. 9059330)

SEAL´s don´t ask that question. They go and they do. Period.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: nimby, 12/11/2012 10:14:58 AM     (No. 9059335)

There is no cure for "stupid" that permeated this so-called-doctor´s head.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: JAN, 12/11/2012 10:19:59 AM     (No. 9059354)

A couple of points. I heard early on that two others who had been captured along with the doctor had been released.

This hero died from his injuries while Obama was cavorting with Psy. Benghazzi again.

Monroeville was the hometown of the students who died on TWA 800 during the klinton administration.

RIP, hero. We pray for your family.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/11/2012 10:23:31 AM     (No. 9059361)

I am really torn about this. The doctor should have known what he risked by going in there. Our SEALS should not be risked by going after really stupid people who put themselves in dangerous positions because they don´t think about the consequences to others. That is what libs do.

I know they can do the job, but there is the job, then there is foolhardyness. I got the parable of the dog story, but I don´t totally agree with the point you are making.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: CzndCitzen, 12/11/2012 10:26:35 AM     (No. 9059367)

Heck no!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 12/11/2012 10:47:41 AM     (No. 9059432)

Maybe the doctor was more than a doctor. After what we are learning about the 9/11/2012 attack in Libya I would not be surprised at some of the convoluted things this administration would do. What I find annoying is the doctor who supplied the info on Osama Bin Laden is still held in a Pakistan prison. That doctor has served his purpose and is no longer relevant. Evidently, this particular doctor has some redeeming value to someone in authority. Face it. We have all slipped down the rabbit hole and anything from this point forward is not what it seems. We have become mushrooms, placed in the dark and fed manure from time to time.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: LouD, 12/11/2012 11:00:10 AM     (No. 9059466)

For the one who questioned #6´s post, I believe it was much a reference to SEALs; that´s what they DO. If ordered to go save a doctor, they go. It matters not the danger or reason; if ordered, they go.
God bless this SEAL, and also all his fellow SEALs. There is no greater love than to give one´s life for their fellow man.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: altoona, 12/11/2012 11:09:31 AM     (No. 9059496)

No.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: penelopewaits, 12/11/2012 11:21:43 AM     (No. 9059536)

The doctor´s name is native American although I don´t know if that is what he is.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: dr.lakerman, 12/11/2012 11:47:09 AM     (No. 9059611)

If the physician involved is native american, he should be here, helping his brothers and sisters who are native americans. Let the barbarians in afghanistan, filthy islamofascist terrorist pigs, find their own physicians. The outfit, morningside development,, has the whiff of fraud about it, and could very well be a CIA outfit. They have all kinds of crazy organizations that the taxpayers are funding.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: god of irony, 12/11/2012 11:50:38 AM     (No. 9059618)

I guess a lot of you of haven´t ever served. It is not about an one man for one man value. We swear an oath to protect our fellow Americans. It is our duty to fight for those that can´t. It is our noble values that should be held up for the world to see. It is a statement to our enemies that their is no limit to our hunt to destroy them.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: comstock, 12/11/2012 12:25:40 PM     (No. 9059712)

The question is an invalid premise. SEALs do what SEALs do. Somebody up the chain of command decided it was worth the risk of their lives to rescue this doctor. When ordered to undertake this mission, heroic Petty Officer Checque and his comrades didn´t say "I´m not willing to risk my life to save one doctor."

The question is who thought it worth the risk of these irreplaceable warriors to save some idiot do-gooder.

It´s time to tell all these morons that all their good works amount to nothing in the degenerate lands of Islam. They´re not going to change any hearts and minds. They are pawns in the subterfuge telling us that these 7th century troglodytes are just like us - treat them nice and they will treat us nice. The only solution is to beat them into submission then manage their path to a civilized society.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: KTWO, 12/11/2012 1:03:53 PM     (No. 9059802)

It wasn´t a trade of lives. Weighing the merits of the two people won´t work.

There was a risk. All of those sent could have died. Or none.

We have these superbly trained teams. It is good to have them. But it leads to a temptation to use force more often.

To rephrase an old adage, when you have a hammer problems look like nails.







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Reply 30 - Posted by: Italiano, 12/11/2012 1:05:39 PM     (No. 9059812)

I was going to opine that if it was up to me to make the decision, I wouldn´t trade the life of one SEAL, one Marine, one trooper (etc.) for the entire Obama Administration, let alone this guy.

But I guess I´m not allowed to.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: pdmccas, 12/11/2012 1:19:36 PM     (No. 9059837)

#27. I served 30 years. We take an oath to protect and defend The Constitution, not save Americans. This doctor should reorient his life and provide free medical care for life to the family of this brave warrior.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: crimea river, 12/11/2012 2:02:25 PM     (No. 9059945)

None of the above posts mentions the deterrent effect of the SEAL attack which killed 6 Taliban, saved the doctor at the cost of one, Nicolas Checque. The doctor´s life is not worth the SEAL´s life IMHO, but the operation was worth it. I´ll bet the Taliban´s next kidnapping won´t involve an American.



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Reply 33 - Posted by: Bla Bla, 12/11/2012 2:24:41 PM     (No. 9059999)

I´m not biting the bait on this question. You can´t compare one life for another -- unless it´s someone who took an innocent life. The SEALs obviously wanted to go in, and they only lost one. Although this one was precious, their mission was a success. I think our Special Ops teams out there need a morale boost. They need to feel like they are accomplishing something over there. They did that on this one.

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