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Despite Tax Increase, California
State Revenues in Freefall

Breitbart´s Big Government, by Chriss W. Street

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 12/8/2012 10:33:23 AM

California State Controller John Chiang has announced that total state revenue for the month of November 2012 fell $806.8 million, or 10.8%, below budget. Democrats thought they could hammer “the rich” by convincing voters to pass Proposition 30 to create the highest state income tax in the nation. But it now appears that high income earners have already “voted with their feet” by moving themselves and their businesses out of state, resulting in over $1 billion shortfall in corporate and income taxes last month and the beginning of a new financial crisis. Passage of Proposition 30 set off euphoria

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lydwho, 12/8/2012 10:40:49 AM     (No. 9055216)

Isn´t this what the smart people have said would happen???

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Reply 2 - Posted by: curious1, 12/8/2012 10:42:07 AM     (No. 9055220)

Well, Duh! It´s only surprising to libtards/progtards (LPs).

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Reply 3 - Posted by: EQKimball, 12/8/2012 10:42:28 AM     (No. 9055221)

Well, duh!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 12/8/2012 10:46:22 AM     (No. 9055229)

Despite!? Did they actually say "despite"? Why not try "because of"?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 12/8/2012 10:48:15 AM     (No. 9055234)

If California had more businesses and more people with decent jobs and homes they owned (that would follow with more businesses), they´d see more tax revenue. Trouble is, the hyper-taxation drives away businesses, downsizes or closes up those that remain, puts people out of work and uses up their wealth. Revenues drop. What a dilemma Sacramento has created!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: nina584, 12/8/2012 10:52:29 AM     (No. 9055240)

Cali will be a 3rd world country after moon bean and all the idiots are done ith it.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Northcross, 12/8/2012 10:53:11 AM     (No. 9055242)

Fortunately, nothing like that could ever happen to the USA as a whole because our elected leaders are way too smart to let that happen.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: aasilver, 12/8/2012 10:54:36 AM     (No. 9055246)

What do you mean about Caif becoming a 3rd world country. It IS a 3rd world country.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: planetgeo, 12/8/2012 10:55:36 AM     (No. 9055247)

Here´s a clue. When you attract an unlimited number of third world illegals with free stuff and they elect even more people who give them more free stuff, they (illegals plus illegal-pandering legislators) turn your state/country into a third world hellhole.

Now we have a President doing this to the entire country. Pretty soon there won´t be state left that you can run to.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: daphne, 12/8/2012 10:58:05 AM     (No. 9055249)

I live in California, and it feels a lot like being on the deck of the Titanic, waving to the people leaving in life boats. Two days after the election, a soft-ware company here in San Diego announced that it was moving to Texas. Employees have till the end of the year to decide whether to move with the company or take their chances finding another job here. (Good luck with that.) Then, our very best neighbors on the block--the people you call in an emergency, the people who organize block parties--announced that they are moving to Texas. They have a small business and want to expand. No way can they do that here. Their house is up for sale and they´ll move as soon as escrow closes. Meanwhile, another house on our block has gone back to the bank. But our dynamite legislature is preoccupied with outlawing plastic bags and insisting that the contribution of gays be taught to elementary school students.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: angelesgift, 12/8/2012 11:03:08 AM     (No. 9055255)

Revenues in freefall despite tax increases. I´m shocked, shocked!

Liberals are so stupid they literally thought that businesses and high-earners would be euphoric, too, over the chance to provide even more lavishly for government workers and parasites (redundant, I know) who actually voted for this piece of crap.

We don´t have to bother with secession. We´ll soon have our own pleasant, well-run states populated by sensible and responsible people; and they will have their self-righteous, politically-correct, parasite-riddled hell holes.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 12/8/2012 11:03:20 AM     (No. 9055257)

#10,

My son is a college student and still lives in California. He called me awhile ago and told me to send plastic grocery bags to his Grandma (my mom). The county on the central coast where they live has already banned them.

I miss the beautiful scenery California has to offer, but I don´t think I´ll ever miss the lefty lunacy.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: firebatt, 12/8/2012 11:03:50 AM     (No. 9055258)

A sure sign of the times is when a 99 cent store opens on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: PageTurner, 12/8/2012 11:08:01 AM     (No. 9055268)

Dontcha love it when the left gets all surprised at the consequences of its policies?

As Ayn Rand once said: You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of reality.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: pineledger, 12/8/2012 11:18:37 AM     (No. 9055278)

Anyone with a functioning brain would have left long ago.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: beth, 12/8/2012 11:25:49 AM     (No. 9055282)

Here in Ventura County we still have plastic bags, but our reliable red county went blue this election. I´m sure we won´t be immune from the liberals much longer.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: billp, 12/8/2012 11:53:03 AM     (No. 9055314)

And still, the government take money and wealth from the producers and gives it to the parasites.

How many leeches can be applied to the patient before he´s bled to death? We´ll know shortly.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Poliskeptic, 12/8/2012 12:04:36 PM     (No. 9055323)

I live in the Central Coast where the plastic bags are banned AND all retailers have to charge 10 cents a bag for paper bags. It won´t be long until the articles will be flooding the news of disease being spread by the dirty reusable bags people are forced to haul into the stores. And I too hear the stories of businesses closing.

Despite all of that, after spending four years in solid traveling in all of the 48 states, there is no place I´d rather live.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: norcalvet, 12/8/2012 12:09:47 PM     (No. 9055326)

Sigh....I mourn for my state...the idiots in Sac are so stupid they couldn´t pour p*** out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel. We have contemplated moving, but with my Mom with moderate to severe dementia, there is no moving at this time. We live in one of the poorist counties in the state, with agriculture as our major business. Lots of businesses have closed, it´s a sad state of affairs.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Salt5792, 12/8/2012 12:18:54 PM     (No. 9055340)

CA has been in a "crisis" for five years. It´s hard to take it seriously any more. They just seem to keep stumbling on forever.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: wsdiego, 12/8/2012 12:32:59 PM     (No. 9055363)

These people live in a alternative world! Perception is reality, not reality!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: trapper, 12/8/2012 12:36:25 PM     (No. 9055367)

Dead Chicken Stops Laying Eggs.

Dead chickens in California stopped laying eggs, even as dead cows all over the state stopped producing milk. State offials continue to investigate.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/8/2012 12:47:41 PM     (No. 9055383)

They say that California has always been the trend setter for the entire USA. Well it looks like California has already fell off the fiscal cliff and that the entire USA guided by Obama is sure to follow.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: dr.lakerman, 12/8/2012 12:49:00 PM     (No. 9055385)

I remember reading, a few years ago, about Maryland passing a millionaire´s tax. And tax revenues went down as a result...
I amazes me when people don´t understand the basics of Economics 101.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: mean Gene, 12/8/2012 12:53:06 PM     (No. 9055391)

But....but...but....the lefties did a study that said rich people leaving to save money was just a myth!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: web, 12/8/2012 12:55:29 PM     (No. 9055392)

They bulldozed the orchards I loved in 1968 and replaced them with freeways and shopping centers, in the Santa Clara Valley. In 1979 I returned and stayed with my father, while trying for months to find a place to rent. It would take two hours to drive the 10 miles to work on the freeway. The illegals already had most of the jobs and housing, and it was no longer the California I grew up in. I gave up and moved to New Mexico. Unfortunately, the Cal liberals followed me, and they shut down logging, ranching, and mining. They are like a pestilence that destroys an area and moves on to the next.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: robertthomason, 12/8/2012 1:09:21 PM     (No. 9055409)

As Gomer would say - Surprise, surprise, surprise.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Aria, 12/8/2012 1:38:40 PM     (No. 9055434)

Since Obama et al knows all this - that raising taxes lowers revenue - what is the reason for doing this to the entire country? The fact that he doesn´t want to eliminate loopholes - like the ones his friends from GE and Warren Buffet use - means that the "rich" aren´t his actual target - at least the ones who support him.

I have to imagine that his real target are independent thinking smaller businesses - entrepreneurs who want the government off their back. If Obama eliminates the middle class then we´ll only have the controllers and the takers and the takers will wake up someday and realize they are all equally miserable with no way out since they´re both dependent on the government.

I work with a guy originally from Eritrea in Africa which he tells me was the most industrial country in Africa with a ton of Italian influence. His mother speaks fluent Italian, cooks Italian from scratch, etc. But then someone took over by force and now they are the least industrialized country in Africa...which is saying a lot. Seems to me this is what Obama has in mind - turning us into a third world country while he and his friends live like rich Arabs.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: pigop, 12/8/2012 1:59:25 PM     (No. 9055445)

Much of the budgetary woes California is in now can be attributed to the power of politics corrupting even some of the decent legislators in Sacramento. It´s like an addictive drug. Benjamin Franklin was right when he said, "when people find that they can vote themselves free money, that will usher the end of our republic". Case in point are Detroit, Chicago, and Sacramento.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/8/2012 2:25:03 PM     (No. 9055462)

They started with temporary increase of corporate taxes, sales taxes, and income taxes. The lost corporate tax revenue, raised money with the sales tax (unavoidable) and lost a little on the income tax. You just knew that this wouldn´t convince them that tax increases didn´t work. So now they´ve made it part of the tax code and surprise, they lose revenue. California won´t let the oil companies drill for oil they know is there, won´t let the farmers have the water from the reservoirs built for that purpose, and have driven the motion picture industry to film in other states. Where are they going to find money to tax?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 12/8/2012 2:59:01 PM     (No. 9055485)

I bet the shortfall is more than just from the upper income brackets. Obama lovers can get creative when it comes to working off the books.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: bennie, 12/8/2012 3:02:53 PM     (No. 9055488)

That´s the funniest part of this article, the last paragraph. "As panic spreads that goosing taxes on the rich may have created enough “tax flight” that the California will actually collect less taxes, there was welcome news that a business had committed to opening in the State. Executives of the 99 Cents Only Stores Inc. proclaimed they would be opening a new location in Beverly Hills on formerly posh Rodeo Drive."

Perhaps they will be able to sell to the squatters living in the abandoned houses in Beverly Hills once the rich actors have set up residency in another state.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/8/2012 3:12:15 PM     (No. 9055500)

This will get the productive people out and leave the tatooed naked people for when the next earthquake hits.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/8/2012 3:26:58 PM     (No. 9055511)

All Cal. needs to do to become solvent is charge a 10% fee on all wire transfers out of the state.Of curse they did just the opposite and made it easier by people depositing cash in a debit account and giving the people on the other end their PIN .

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Sanspeur, 12/8/2012 3:40:51 PM     (No. 9055531)

Brainiacs..since this is what you want, raise more tax rates! It will work for sure this time/s...

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Reply 36 - Posted by: KimoSaavy, 12/8/2012 4:08:34 PM     (No. 9055570)

They are doing it wrong. They need to tax everyone one-hundred percent. The dummies who keep electing tax collectors don´t realize it´s not about raising taxes. It is about economic equalizing to the lowest common denominator.

The worst part is that the responsible uneducateds will flee the state and infest the rest of the nation. Someone alluded to FLA. It is full of NY socialists.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Golden, 12/8/2012 4:12:33 PM     (No. 9055573)

To quote a friend of mine. Even a tapeworm knows not to kill the host. Ca is toast..


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Reply 38 - Posted by: Crashnburn, 12/8/2012 4:36:21 PM     (No. 9055600)

Unfortunately, #16, the increase in income taxes is retroactive to Jan 1, 2012. I don´t try to minimize my refund; I just take zero deductions, so I should be covered come April 15, 2013.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: rocket scientist, 12/8/2012 4:42:33 PM     (No. 9055606)

The poor riff-raff sure love it when you give away the store. But soon the store goes broke and out of business. Then everyone is left with nothing. The smart folks voted with their feet. Good for them!

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Reply 40 - Posted by: LanieLou, 12/8/2012 4:51:55 PM     (No. 9055618)

Most hilarious is they cite a study done by a 20 something hispanic teaching assistant that millionaires won´t leave. Perfect... All she´s ever been exposed to is Socialism/Marxism!

99 cent store on Rodeo Drive! Ed Assner must be thrilled!

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Reply 41 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 12/8/2012 4:52:08 PM     (No. 9055619)

Elections have consequences-- I can hope.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 12/8/2012 4:57:09 PM     (No. 9055623)

Study this well, Paul Krugman... yes, study well, and be prepared to bound down at the feet of Art Laffer.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: noproblems, 12/8/2012 6:53:10 PM     (No. 9055737)

We need to get back to letting the states decide issues such as how much to spend on social programs. If states like California want to spend a lot of money, and tax their citizens accordingly, then that is thier business.

The Federal government is broke. A centralized power in Washington DC is not a good thing. We should cut back Federal spending and federal taxes, and let the states decide how much to spend and how much to tax.

This is why we need a new political party to replace the Repugs. Neither the Dimms nor the Repugs want to decentralize power outside of Washington.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: saguni, 12/8/2012 9:03:54 PM     (No. 9055851)

Poster #29: Since Obama et al knows all this - that raising taxes lowers revenue

This has been in the public record for five decades, President Kennedy said this when lowering taxes. 0bama admitted he knew this to be true in a pre-primary debate with HiLIARy in 2008. The moderator, Charles Gibson referenced specific tax increases and decreases with Reagan, Clinton and Bush and their inevitable consequences.

0bama then said, "Yes, but, I want to raise taxes to be fair." He has a distorted definition of "fair," he doesn´t care about lowered revenue.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: franq, 12/8/2012 9:14:14 PM     (No. 9055860)

Tax habla espanol...

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