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Outrage as Fox News host Dana
Perino says female victims of
domestic violence ´should
make better decisions´

Daily Mail [UK], by Hayley Peterson

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 12/7/2012 10:18:48 AM

Fox News commentator Dana Perino suggested during a live broadcast that female victims of domestic violence should ´make better decisions´ to avoid getting hurt. Perino made the remark during a discussion on the murder-suicide of NFL player Jovan Belcher, who shot and killed his girlfriend before turning a gun on himself. For months prior to the shooting, the couple had been having problems and police had previously been called to their home as a result. Fox commentators were discussing the implications of the crime and whether laws governing gun rights should be reexamined in the aftermath.

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There sure is no shortage of "outrage" in this country over statements that are innocuous, especially when it comes to Republicans. Her statement was correct. Some women should make better decisions if they chose to stay with someone who is physically or verbally abusing them or treating them horribly.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: merc55h, 12/7/2012 10:26:54 AM     (No. 9053491)



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Reply 2 - Posted by: Emmajustin, 12/7/2012 10:28:05 AM     (No. 9053497)

Dana was telling the truth and the libs´ heads exploded.
Notice how hollyweird is remaking history thru their disgusting films: the latest is to make FDR out as a sex freak. They lie in school and thru their films so that bad is good and evil is fine. Then scream at Rs or conservatives when we tell the truth that evil is evil and must be stopped.
We need to take back the culture.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 12/7/2012 10:30:58 AM     (No. 9053501)

Everyone is equal.

Except when they are not.

And only the ´left´ gets to decide.

And the answer can change and change back.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 12/7/2012 10:35:23 AM     (No. 9053510)

Dana Perino, flavor of the week.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: tenncon231, 12/7/2012 10:38:04 AM     (No. 9053515)

#1 You are right, big sis wouldn´t have put up with this guy, but on the other hand, she wouldn´t be in a domestic situation with any "man"!!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: NancyD, 12/7/2012 10:40:45 AM     (No. 9053520)

She´s right! Women should make better decisions! Quick hooking up with bad guys who treat them like crap.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: WyoEagle, 12/7/2012 10:41:33 AM     (No. 9053521)

Outrage over what? Should not repeat victims of domestic violence make better decisions fer cryin out loud?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jar, 12/7/2012 10:45:29 AM     (No. 9053533)

Dana looks beautiful in the first photo, then there is a rather unflattering shot alleged to he she, but it doesn´t look like her at all. Look at the remarkable photo of the happy family, the football guy who shot his girlfriend, she holding their 3 month old. Baby almost looks like she saw it coming. Quite an expression for an infant.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: MamaElephant, 12/7/2012 10:49:44 AM     (No. 9053539)

Anyone who´s ever had a female friend or family member in a chronically abusive situation knows how hard it is to convince the abused woman to leave. I´ve witnessed long cycles of abuse/remorse/honeymoon/rising tension/repeat abuse and tried to convince the women to leave during the "good" times - it´s almost always a losing fight. IOW - I´ve tried to convince them to make better choices for themselves. Eventually, the women got out - when they made a good decision to leave. Obviously the main fault lies with the abuser, but those who are being abused bear the responsibility to leave once they know the relationship is violent.

Clearly, Dana Perino knows the real deal. As usual, because of her politics, she´s being vilified for speaking the truth.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: armywife85, 12/7/2012 10:51:50 AM     (No. 9053547)

You don´t have to be a lib to be offended by Dana Perino´s comments. I am offended....I am conservative but I believe when you are in an abusive situation it isn´t always as easy as it sounds to seperate yourself from that situation especially when children are involved. If you are in that situation and you find the strength and courage to get out of it GREAT but don´t criticize those that are not able to do that when they fall victim to their abuser.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: tennman, 12/7/2012 10:57:21 AM     (No. 9053563)

There is much truth in Dana´s statement. Many women continually go back to someone who abuses them. Many women are drawn to the "bad boy" personna and get caught in the abuse and maybe-it-won´t-happen-agian cycle. Check out Mia Hamm´s decisions if you desire a poster child.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: LinebackerU, 12/7/2012 10:58:08 AM     (No. 9053567)

Perino is correct. Staying with an abusive individual is a choice, as is leaving. No one can argue that the better choice, the better decision, is to put distance between abuser and victim.

Any attack on Perino is merely an attempt to gain an ideological advantage w/ no concern whatsoever for the victim(s).

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/7/2012 11:01:31 AM     (No. 9053576)

Gun control would not have saved O.J. Simpson´s. That was a knife. Can buy those anywhere, or can even make your own.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 12/7/2012 11:02:45 AM     (No. 9053578)

Some women are trapped in abusive marriages because they have no ability to support themselves or their children, although the Feds will fall all over themselves to support a "single mother." We´ve all seen the articles that a single mother making $29,000 and collecting benefits nets the equivalent of a women making $69,000.

Dana is right though - a man (or woman) who hits you once will hit you again if you stay. Such relationships are not worth salvaging.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Kingbubo, 12/7/2012 11:02:51 AM     (No. 9053579)

Yes, women should stop dating the abusive type. Sometimes, they just don´t know. I get what she was trying to say and feel that those who are criitcizing her are only considering the % whose spouse covered up tendencies well.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/7/2012 11:04:21 AM     (No. 9053585)

I don´t know the circumstances of this case but do know that most cases of violent death caused by a spouse are preceded by many previous assaults often resulting in restraining orders. How do you protect someone who keeps returning to a spouse that beats them?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: JAN, 12/7/2012 11:11:26 AM     (No. 9053601)

Rihanna anyone?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 12/7/2012 11:13:47 AM     (No. 9053605)

I´m not a fan of Perino, but in this case I agree 100%. For men and women, choose your partner carefully. It´s called common sense, and we have a shortage of it in our country-- especially among liberals.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 12/7/2012 11:14:17 AM     (No. 9053606)

Juanita Broaddrick.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/7/2012 11:20:57 AM     (No. 9053612)

She is right.

This is not blaming the victim. That would be pointless.

But there are signs that men are controlling, have short tempers, and are abusive - either verbally or physically. A psychologist once told me that when a man throws or breaks objects (particularly objects that the woman values), or breaks down a door (or puts his fist through a window as Belcher had done in college when irritated with a woman), he is already a threat to her safety.

Women who value themselves do not usually get into these messes. It has nothing to do with their monetary worth. Mary Kennedy may turn out to have been killed by Robert Jr. after a long history of controlling behavior and verbal abuse. And heaven knows what else.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/7/2012 11:24:56 AM     (No. 9053621)

(hit submit too soon)

#16 has it right. You don´t marry these guys and have kids and THEN wake up and realize that you are being abused. The signs are usually there all alone. Young women have to learn to recognize them - they can be subtle. Controlling behavior is sometimes interpreted as flattering, "he really cares". It is not flattering. It is controlling behavior. And it is not far from controlling behavior to abuse.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: GRWeicheld, 12/7/2012 11:27:24 AM     (No. 9053625)

Only the Media and the Left decide who is right or wrong. Personal Responsibility is unheard of in either culture. Dana is great love her, she brings back a dignity to reporting.I look forward to the FIVE every day.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/7/2012 11:35:33 AM     (No. 9053643)

Generally speaking of course a MAN will pick a woman and hopes she never changes. A woman will pick a man and hope she can change him. The more ISSUES the POS has the greater the challenge. Generally speaking of course.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 12/7/2012 11:39:33 AM     (No. 9053654)

Second post...mea culpa.

I must confess I have had impure thoughts about Dana Perino.

But then I can´t be trusted with Santa´s Elves either.

Is there a connection ?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: MMSgranny, 12/7/2012 11:43:32 AM     (No. 9053669)

I´m outraged at the lying leftist continual outrage to truth. Yes, it is ultimately the fault of the abuser. However, for years and years and years, case after case in the 100´s of thousand women have been killed at the hands of their abusers. In nearly every case(except in the Mulim world) it is/was in no way the first time the abuse occurred. If women continue to stay with any person that has been abused them once, they have some culpability in what ultimately occurs in that relationship. What bothers me even more (as these women make their beds) is the children that die at the hands of these abusive jerks. These children are innocent and ultimately any mother that leaves her child with these type individuals should´nt be allowed to keep their children, nor have any more.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: rburns, 12/7/2012 11:48:41 AM     (No. 9053682)

Dana was right it´s just that liberals can´t handle the truth!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Ret.TxLeo, 12/7/2012 11:50:55 AM     (No. 9053685)

Been involved with a lot of domestic violence "situations". There is plenty of help out there, plenty of services, counseling, etc available to the victims and their families. Dana is correct in her statement. Had one apartment that was a "will call" every Saturday night between 10 pm to 3 am. Would separate, take him to jail, she would show up 15 minutes after he was processed in to the unit, begging and crying for "us" to let him out, it wasn´t his fault he just had a bad day. It went on for about six months. He decided one night after beating the living snot out of her to go after their 10 year old daughter. She caved his skull in with a cast iron skillet. During the trial her defense attorney played the victim card..and the judge said no because in the file was all the times we had been sent out there. all the help she was offered and refused. A no win situation for her because she wouldn´t walk away...not that she couldn´t...

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Flybynight, 12/7/2012 11:51:05 AM     (No. 9053686)

Dana is right. The excuses abused partners give are appalling. Oh, he is so sorry, he will never do it again, she is so sweet when she isn´t drunk, I just need more time to change him. We´re staying together for the sake of the children...
We provided an emergency "safe home" for victims of domestic abuse for several years, and we heard ´em all. The woman who sat in my kitchen midmorning eating her custom-made breakfast,, smoking, not lifting a finger, while her monster kids destroyed my house, was almost a victim of violence again. good thing my cast iron skillet wasn´t at hand, I calmly suggested through gritted teeth, the third time, that my allergies required that she step outside in the snow to indulge her addiction, that she take immediate steps to corral her boys, and that we would be making other arrangements Right. Now. for more comfortable housing while she got her life sorted out. Argggh.
That said, ´Just leaving´ is incredibly hard for many abused women. Welfare takes time to process, deposits for rent and utilities add up fast, education is often limited, and these women have often been so tightly controlled for so long, there is nothing left. No money is the least of their problems. We did see the occasional success story, but for every one of those courageous and determined people who decided that was no way to live, there were a dozen who went back for seconds and thirds,

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Reply 29 - Posted by: OdinsAcolyte, 12/7/2012 12:22:35 PM     (No. 9053750)

She is correct. I hear women cry all the time and then go back to those same abusers.. They picked ´em. Leave of stop your crying.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: LadyHen, 12/7/2012 12:26:00 PM     (No. 9053753)

I really think a fundamental non-understanding of what real honest to goodness men are and should be is the root of this cycle of abuse. The whole alpha/beta dynamic.

Women mistake physical violence for true strong alpha characteristics. An abuser is not alpha. Alphas don´t have to physically control and abuse to have women, they just have women, period, because they are alpha. An abuser is a beta.

Physical violence denotes a need to control in the extreme what little you have "control" over generally. THAT is not alpha. That in the end is the behavior of a pitiful complete beta that instead of alpha-ing up and working on why he is a loser and how to get more alpha in his life, he takes out his anger and frustration on the weaker people in his life that he can overpower and thus never has to address his obvious shortcomings. Why else would real men in the past and now be so repulsed and even violent toward these cowardly beta abusers? I know my grandfather and his brothers were known to go with the other men in their country town to inform one of these beta abusers that he better man up and stop beating her or they would make sure she never had to worry about him again. Sound familiar?

As to Perino´s statement, yes, women need to stop chasing and accepting pure betas, period. Never healthy. Leads to violence and resentment, even hatred on one or both sides. Men for marriage or LTR´s need to be a balance of alpha and beta, the balance that makes them just the right amount of supportive yet decisive and strong man they are meant to be. Just my .2.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: littleshell, 12/7/2012 1:56:33 PM     (No. 9053945)

If Belcher´s girlfriend had a gun and knew how to use it she might be still alive.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: saguni, 12/7/2012 3:04:22 PM     (No. 9054052)

I agree that the women involved should make better decisions, but most of them do not have that ability.

I was abused--not physically, but mentally--from the day I was born. Once when I was small, to avoid "hitting a child" my mother turn and began beating a kitchen cabinet until the door broke. She did not "hit" me, but I felt every blow. It began when I was so young I had no reference point to be able to discern that it was wrong, or that being abuse free should be normal.

My first husband abused me while I was working along side him, 11 hours a day as a heavy equipment operator, earning a "man´s wage," yet I only left him after he hit my son.

All through school, in the 60s, no one mentioned abuse. I attended church every Sunday, yet never had anyone talk to me about abuse or my constant depression. I had no one to tell me that I was capable of making "better" decisions.

Now, there are many sources of help available, for families, for women, even for young teenage girls with abusive high school boyfriends.

After years of therapy, my last husband (may he rest in peace) was an angel of a considerate man, but if I had met him when I was 18 or 21 or even 25, I might have been incapable of making the "better" decision where he was concerned.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: nonsense, 12/7/2012 3:24:44 PM     (No. 9054084)

Judge Judy says (all the time), "you picked him".

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Starfire, 12/7/2012 3:39:14 PM     (No. 9054101)

She is 100% correct. Every day women have to make decisions about their safety. Making the decision to be a victim is not an acceptable option, especially when children are involved.

Back in the 80’s I helped move and hide a woman from a drunken, abusive husband twice. The second time the kids climbed out a window and ran to a neighbor’s while he shot up the inside of the house. My family risked our safety to keep her and her three children hidden and safe. She was a college professor and he was unemployed, yet she returned to him both times with her children in tow. When she asked for help a third time, I worked with child protective services and her parents to keep the kids safe, but she was on her own.

In domestic violence, the abuser is guilty of a crime. If the violence continues and the victim stays in the situation, the victim is also guilty… of poor judgment. Moreover, in cases where children are involved, the non-violent parent is guilty of an abusive level of neglect for subjecting the child to the other parent’s violent rages.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/7/2012 3:57:18 PM     (No. 9054142)

#33 has it right. I have been there, done that.
Abusive parents who had me convinced that I couldn´t do anything right, pushing me into marriage at age 19. Yes, he was controlling, but that was the "normal" for me. He became physically abusive and I had no where to go (in the 60s nothing was available)..I left when he went after my child. I was threatened that I would never see the child again, I had no job, no skills, no money.
It took a lot of counseling before I learned that I DID indeed have choices and did not have to stay in that situation. I left and have been happy ever since.
Women in these situations DO NOT realize they have a choice. Please try to understand..the old "why don´t you leave him" question is no help at all.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: MMSgranny, 12/7/2012 5:33:10 PM     (No. 9054290)

Sorry # 36 for your past woes. But that no longer cuts it as not a viable option, especially when children are involved. Not only is leaving the only option, if you have to move to Canada and save yourself and your children...there is all kind of help now. In present day there is no excuse for staying with an abuser of ay kind.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: RoseOfTexas, 12/7/2012 10:56:12 PM     (No. 9054606)

I do think the mindset to not tolerate abuse is something that is best instilled years before a girl is old enough to date. Luckily for me my dad drilled into me from a very early age that if a man ever raises a hand to me, I´m to leave him immediately. Being of a faith that says the only excuse for divorce is adultery or abandonment, that´s one of the few instances I would have no qualms going against what I believe the Bible teaches & I think his early instruction is the reason. He had a much-beloved baby sister he had to rescue from an abusive situation & in his dying days sometimes referred to me by her name (I took it as the compliment it was).

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Ladyhawke, 12/7/2012 11:11:13 PM     (No. 9054621)

I agreed with Dana when I heard her say it. The real Fox News scandal is that they have muzzled Morris and Rove because they both want to talk about the massive voter fraud that gave the election to Obummer.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 12/8/2012 8:39:56 AM     (No. 9054996)

Of course liberals are outraged. They want women to be dependent on government, so for liberals it´s more important that women stay in sicko relationships with psycho males and depend on the government to sort out the various consequences. Planned Abortionhood makes lots of money from the government for aborting all their unwanted babies. Employment security for social workers, WEAVE, and other Free Stuff dispensers.

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It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

´America´s royal baby´: How Chelsea´s first
child could give Hillary Clinton a boost in
the polls if she runs for president in 2016

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Jessica Jerreat    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/19/2014 7:12:10 PM     Post Reply
For Hillary Clinton, having her own baby grandchild to kiss on the campaign trail, could be one of the biggest boosts to her possible presidential election campaign. Although the former Secretary of State and First Lady has not said if she will run in 2016, the arrival of her first grandchild will soften her image, analysts have said. While Chelsea only revealed her pregnancy on Thursday, supporters of her mother have already started cooing over a possible baby in the White House. With the Clintons having a near-royal status in the U.S., the announcement of a new arrival due this fall has sent

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too


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