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Pushing Obama Over the Fiscal Cliff
Front Page, by Matthew Vadum

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Posted By:StormCnter, 12/6/2012 5:53:21 AM

As a potentially toxic combination of steep tax hikes and deep spending cuts draws nearer Republicans are consistently being outmaneuvered by President Obama. Disillusioned Democratic pollster Patrick Caddell counsels that this wonkish back-and-forth over the finer points of marginal tax rates is not the hill that Republicans should die on. The GOP doesn’t even grasp the underlying political dynamics now in play, he says.(Snip)Caddell believes that an outrageous proposal offered by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner presents a golden opportunity that Republicans have thus far failed to seize.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: bpl40, 12/6/2012 6:22:20 AM     (No. 9051018)

The second worst casualty of going over the cliff will be Congressional Republicans. The worst will be the unemployment rate. By the time ´14 comes along the Bush´s Fault argument will be as laughable as Geithner´s ´proposal´. Hang in there.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Janjan, 12/6/2012 6:25:53 AM     (No. 9051022)

John Boehner drank the Washington kool-aid. He´s a big player now and has appointed himself as the lone arbiter of what is right or wrong for America. Who does he remind you of?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 12/6/2012 6:26:16 AM     (No. 9051023)

Caddell, like many fair minded people, appears to have seen the light. His observations sound reasonable, even obvious, to me.

We,also, must not draw too many conclusions about popular opinion from the results of a stolen election.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/6/2012 6:29:18 AM     (No. 9051025)

Yeah,for one thing the GOP should be making a bigger stick over more stimulus than they are.This money is nothing butmore reward money for Obama´s donors and voters.

Boehner has fallen head first into the dems and media´s trap.The $800 billion Boehner is offering in new revenues doesn´t make Obama happy one bit. He´d rather have much less revenues from the 2% on higher tax rates.

The other thing is Obama wants an infinity debt ceiling he can tap anytime he wants.Not to mention being able to bull rush dem cabinet and judges through on majority votes in the senate.

If Obama got a blank check on the debt ceiling,he´d blow by $20 trillion in debt in no time.On the other side the deficit will keep getting worse because of all the job killers Obama has in place.

Housing schemes
More gov´t workers schemes
Green energy schemes
A permanent Infrastructure bank
Obamacare cost overruns

And the list goes on and on Obama needs to finance.

Even with 4 more years,it´s not enough time for Obama to complete the country´s disintegration.So you´ll see a push for an Obama 3rd term or his wife simply moving in.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/6/2012 6:34:57 AM     (No. 9051027)

Big problem with a real spending cut (e.g. going over the Fiscal Cliff) is that it´s never been done. The Dems are doing their very best "Sky is falling" again, that the entire planet will stop if any spending is cut. Did it successfully to every POTUS since Reagan, destroyed Bush #43 with this scam.

Becoming obvious that the best deal for taxpayers will be going over the fiscal cliff. Yeah, taxes go up, but let´s do some spending cuts!!!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/6/2012 6:36:16 AM     (No. 9051029)

#6, sorry, meant Bush #41 "Read my lips, no new taxes". Then he was out of a job.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Keekng, 12/6/2012 6:39:21 AM     (No. 9051032)

Caddell knows what he is talking about, DISALLUSIONED is the keyword. Let´s hope Republican leadership is paying attention and strategizing to win.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: John c, 12/6/2012 7:56:39 AM     (No. 9051141)

Wish they would start with base line budgeting. As Rush pointed out, the GOP lets the dem´s define the problem.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rotten In Denmark, 12/6/2012 7:57:58 AM     (No. 9051142)

I am still laboring in the vineyard here in Central PA looking for that darn pony that just has to be hidden under a ton of Boehner. Must be close now.....s/o

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JackBurton, 12/6/2012 8:28:42 AM     (No. 9051204)

I´m thinking: Bring on the cliff. Why ´manage the decline´ and make it less painful? We already are getting eaten alive slowly with EPA rules, denials of law in oil drilling and other economic activity. Obamacare is going to increase un and underemployment and strangle yet more economic activity.

The 47% got a huge break from Bush with his tax rates. This is going to take that back.

I´ve seen the estimates of 5 to 800 Billion $ this will take from GDP (yes, the gov´t will get the money but to do what? It´s ALREADY spent) and, oh yeah, the gov´t will get less because the GDP will shrink and they tax that.

You remember that (Illegal) Latin boycott in one of the border state towns? The aim was to hurt businesses to make them grateful for the Latins´ presence? But shoplifting and crime dropped and the services that were most affected, like wiring funds ´home´, were not missed at all? Well, what happens when the businesses boycott the customers? Seems like a good way to get at the 47%... except in the ´blue´ areas that´s the 55% or 70% (and in Civic-minded precincts of Philly is 99%).

The thing you have to remember about ´Sophie´s Choice´ offers is that... there´s no choice at all.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Echohawk, 12/6/2012 8:55:54 AM     (No. 9051242)

A likely scenario: Obama drives us over the fiscal cliff. In early January, he demands that Congress reinstate 98% of the tax cuts. Instead, Congress reinstates all the Bush tax cuts. Obama balks: he wants that tax hike on the wealthy. He won´t sign the bill.
Meanwhile, everyone sees more withholding and a smaller paycheck. Obama catches hell.
And, the spending cuts are in place.

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