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‘Fiscal cliff’ talks at a
stalemate over tax hikes

Washington Post, by Zachary A. Goldfarb

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 12/2/2012 10:30:47 PM

As the White House and Republican leaders enter the final month of negotiations to avoid a year-end “fiscal cliff,” both sides struck an uncompromising tone Sunday, as warnings mounted that they will be unable to forge an agreement to stop an automatic series of deep spending cuts and large tax hikes that could push the economy into recession. Following private meetings last week, the senior negotiators for the White House and the Republicans took to the airwaves Sunday to accuse the other side of intransigence and to demand that the opposition concede on the central question

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/3/2012 4:26:38 AM     (No. 9045298)

It´s at a stalemate because Obama wants to run the country into bankruptcy and then declare supreme powers like the joker in Egypt.

If you have a 401K program,you´d better bury it in your backyard because it´s a big chunk of money the left has it´s eyeballs on. Of course they´ll cherry pick the victims of the seizures and you can bet gov´t workers are off limits.
There isn´t enough money through conventional means for Obama to finish his redistribution plans.

Everything the liberals do is a set up for the next step. They haven´t recklessly blown $6 trillion extra in the last 4 years for nothing,here´s a reason for it.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: hamrman, 12/3/2012 7:00:12 AM     (No. 9045394)

Houston we have a problem...

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Grambo, 12/3/2012 7:08:28 AM     (No. 9045405)

Never let a crisis go to waste, especially one of your own making.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TruthandJustice, 12/3/2012 7:30:41 AM     (No. 9045422)

#3, Was on the flight back from DC yesterday with dead fish RAHM EMMANUEL...Better believe he was in DC to advise Obama on how to game the Republicans....and to once again get everything he wants....

Hang tough Boehner...remind the press...We the People didn´t give Obama control of the Congress ...and for a reason...so Obama wouldn´t have control of America´s Checkbook...Obama didn´t Win Everything this time because of his fiscal irresponsibility...and his wild-eyed spending

The People want fiscal sanity imposed on the irrational spender...

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Reply 5 - Posted by: LZK, 12/3/2012 7:35:22 AM     (No. 9045430)

Time to stop with the band/aids...... Cover/ups will not work....Kicking the problem down the road ain´t working...

Let it all fall and then pick up the pieces....

Note: All conservatives should have plenty of food and water stored, funds hidden, and firearms locked and loaded...

It´s gonna be a bumpy ride....

LZK

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Reply 6 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/3/2012 7:35:49 AM     (No. 9045433)

Has anyone heard anything about the Bush middle and lower tax rates being made permanent? So why does anyone believe the middle class rate cuts won´t go away the following year? He is going to continue to make the tax rate more progressive every chance he has. He is refusing to consider the Sequester of 50 to 100 billion as previously agreed. So now he needs 42 billion from the rich. I´d rather let all the gimmicks expire and give him 427 billion that is pending and force him to cut 427 billion in expenditures. I certainly don´t want new taxes being dreamed up.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: cake crumb, 12/3/2012 8:38:05 AM     (No. 9045533)

Now it´s a ´fiscal cliff´.

What was it all the other years when Democrats refused to pass a budget?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Catherine, 12/3/2012 9:11:26 AM     (No. 9045608)

The president and ´republicans.´ I think the WH will go into overdrive to make this a Republican disaster. And the gullible will buy it because we don´t have one single brave man on the R side that is willing to fight and do something. They´ll just cower under their desks as usual then send the crybaby out to ramble on a news programs.

Does anyone know what was built underground right outside the Oval Office? It took years and millions and any truck delivering supplies had to be blank on the siding - no name of the company or the items being delivered.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: oldselzer, 12/3/2012 9:12:55 AM     (No. 9045613)

The foolish lemmings who were too lazy to do their homework but instead opted for Dr. Feelgood are now hellbent to take the rest of us over the cliff with them. Virginia, where I live, used to be sane, but unfortunately, refugees from the neighboring people´s republic of Maryland moved here because they could no longer stand what liberalism had imposed on them there. But, now they vote to ruin Virginia by making it like Maryland. Where will they move to next? They don´t do the math or the science and are confused by statistics -- but they have college "degrees." Obama is what he is´ but, the electorate proved themselves jackasses by not recognizing the obvious. Now we shall all suffer for their idiocy. Any ´blame´ is staring back at them in the mirror!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Barbarian Heretic, 12/3/2012 9:21:05 AM     (No. 9045626)

I think the government (all of it) is lying about the "fiscal cliff". Just like they used the financial crisis of 08/09 to grab unprecedented power over the private sector, I think the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste" applies now.
It is mathematically impossible to significantly narrow the deficit using tax increases. There MUST be cuts in spending. And our "leaders" simply don´t have the guts to do any of it. "Sequestration" (big automatic cuts) may be the only way to accomplish it. The Fiscal Cliff brings 9% across-the-board cuts and income tax increases to every American.
So be it. I´m a "Cliff Diver".


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Reply 11 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 12/3/2012 9:25:22 AM     (No. 9045638)

The first thing that we could do is get rid of John Boehner. This man is a total loser. The next thing we can do is start selling tax cuts like the democrats do....hit below the belt and everyone is singing the same talking points. You have to play dirty like the democrats.

By the way, you also have to lower our conversations to the 5th grade level.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 12/3/2012 9:38:49 AM     (No. 9045676)

Hopeless Republicans prepare another fiasco. Fortunately, some of our most effective conservative voices were discredited during the last GOP primary, so the getalongs in the GOP can get on with making Obama´s deal for him. Any word from Sununu on what the conservative position is?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: RancherJack, 12/3/2012 10:34:30 AM     (No. 9045804)

I didn´t have anything to do with this.

Did you have anything to do with this?

How come we have to pay for this?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 12/3/2012 11:05:37 AM     (No. 9045882)

"The first thing that we could do is get rid of John Boehner..."

Someone, it would appear, is laughably naive about what´s involved in opposing the full might of the US Federal government...

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Reply 15 - Posted by: mathman, 12/3/2012 11:37:24 AM     (No. 9045957)

"Fiscal Cliff" = crisis = Zippy campaign opportunity = publicity.
The Empty Chair needs more money for his new programs. His new programs will grow government and increase his power. By 2016 he will have sole control of the legislative and judicial branches, so there will not need to be an election.
Expect to see more crises as the flood of new regulations comes out.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rafter, 12/3/2012 12:28:12 PM     (No. 9046093)

Dream on.

The 2014 midterm elections should be strong again for the GOP.
Keep the House, retake the Senate.

Presidents are increasingly unpopular in their second terms.
The six year mark (second term midterms) is usually devastating.

Recession will sap Bammy and drag him down.
Buh-Bye caint come soon enuff.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: smcchk, 12/3/2012 1:43:11 PM     (No. 9046246)

Agree with #12. And where has Paul Ryan been anyway? Unleash the man! And most importantly, the GOP has got to take Talking Points 101. They talk over the heads of 90% of the electorate. Condense the message. I think it´s almost hopeless now but, in the future, could they learn to speak to the masses?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: attorneyforfreedom, 12/3/2012 1:44:55 PM     (No. 9046249)

Stinky has made his offer unpalatable enough that he knows Congress will not agree to it. He WANTS the economy to crash. He does not want an agreement that would prevent the sequestration in January. By allowing US to fall over "the fiscal cliff" he can have his way and blame it all on the Repubs - and the world will love him for it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: scarface67, 12/3/2012 3:10:23 PM     (No. 9046462)


I´m with #11. Let it happen.




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Reply 20 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 12/3/2012 3:23:40 PM     (No. 9046492)

Vote "present" or stage a walk out. Let Dear Leader and his drones soak rich liberals. Lets see how that helps the Democraps fundraising for 2014. Also, we will have a depression. Let Krugman and the Democraps own this economy. Stop saving them from themselves. Time to be the stern father - let the kid smoke the whole pack!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: walcb, 12/3/2012 4:18:15 PM     (No. 9046591)

Some of the Republicans are at least on the right RR track. All of them need to physically laugh when they are asked about Obama´s proposal, they need to make it out as a joke. Ridicule is the best technique, don´t even discuss the details just laugh.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: cobieone, 12/3/2012 6:11:47 PM     (No. 9046761)

Agreed. Where is Paul Ryan?! Get him back out front!!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: uno, 12/3/2012 6:55:03 PM     (No. 9046815)

In related news, professional buffoon Joe Biden asked:
"Who is this guy Fiscal Cliff anyway"...

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