To a Leftist, what could the USA possibly deserve more than falling off a cliff? Being attacked by al-Qaeda?

Given the history of the Left, it is absolutely beyond me how anyone could possibly believe Our Leftist Savior wants to help the nation, not hurt it. Helping free people is not what Leftists do. Ever.

Ever.

This theory making the rounds that Obama will cave because he doesn´t want a 2nd term recession nad he care sbaout his legacy is pure fantasy. Obama cares abut neither. he will still have his billion dollar a year expense money while people in the country fall further into despair.Military contractors getting creamed would make Obama very happy as well as a tax increase for all.His offer of working on tax reform next year is a pure lie to get what he wants from republicans now. Obama is holding the country hostage to satisfy the members of his filthy tin cup base.

Is anyone really surprised by Obama´s actions? No, not the people who ready this site. The rest still believe that Obama is too smart to let the country fail - delusional and mislead. Someone pass the Obamaphone please.

Ummmm, I think Obama IS serious. Serious about revenge, serious about expanding government even more. Serious about destroying race relations.

FTA "Oh, the White House also wants Congress to give Mr. Obama the authority to increase the debt limit, whenever he wants, as much as he wants.". Obama is the Lord High Ruler of us all.

Yup! Zippy and his Islamo/Marxist pals want to put it to us republicans (lower case).

agree Spidy but after he takes us down he will isolate the problem and keep blaming the Republican congress in the hope to replace them so he has a one party system. Then the country can be run like Detroit, Newark, and the rest.
He knows the press will jump in and help with the blame.

ObamaDon´tCare...it´s not just his medical program anymore; it defines his entire regency.

OMG. When will the Repugs realize this is about who gets the blame for the upcoming disaster. Raise the taxes on the freakin "rich" and let the party begin.

Take a moral stand on spending, not defending the small tax rate increase for the rich.

Repugs are playing checkers while the Dimms are playing chess.

I make no excuses for the insipid president, but if you are someone who has gotten everything you wanted without working for it your entire life, why would anyone think you know the first thing about compromise?

In addition to dealing with a hard-core leftists, they are dealing with a sociopath whose pathology was imbued from birth.

This little drama is playing out exactly the way the dictator planned. He will bring this country to its knees because it is who he is at his core. He is getting everything he has ever dreamed of by the destruction of this country financially, the decimation of the military, and the rising masses indebted to his handouts who worship him. We hear a lot about the fiscal cliff but what has set us upon this path was going over the moral cliff years ago.

Let all the extensions end. Let the full Clinton rates go into effect. Everybody gets taxed which will generate the 3 times the revenue they hoped they might generate from the rich. Then let the Sequestration begin. Dems will get just exactly what the wanted, more revenue AND real but smaller cuts. Then tell them since they got all this new revenue, the debt limit won´t need to be very large.

I hate to say this, but John Boehner needs to realize that he does not have a negotiating partner in either BHO nor Harry Reid. Ergo, Mr. Boehner needs to lead by proposing and passing a spending reduction bill that will defund Federal Agencies in a wholesale manner. He needs t mount a public relations assault that would make Charles Schumer turn green with envy. And every time any Mediaite complains that the issue is not being addressed every Republican needs to remind them immediately that revenue and appropriations are required to originate in the House and that the House has done its job.

Finally, if a democrat House Member wants to propose the plan (ha!) of BHO, let them. Then vote it down on a voice vote. Let the Democrats in the House go on record as being in favor of raising taxes during a recession.

The republicans better remember President George H. Bush´s set/up by the demorats. Remember -- "read my lips" and then when the deal was struck he got blown away by "taxes".

It´s the demorats favorite game -- LYING.....

LZK

I agree, #2, as well. Too many of our nation´s Super-Smart People Better´n Us still think he´s a regular, normal Democrat, that it´s just ´their turn´ and expect he will behave as all Democrats before him: Moderate his positions back toward center and do what´s best for the country as a whole.

Except they neglect to acknowledge that he is NOT an ordinary Democrat, that he has devious ulterior motives, and wants high achieving Americans (i.e., anyone with a job) to pay for the world´s ills.

If a committed extreme leftist actually intended to destroy this nation, and ´won´ a second election with those same policies, would he be doing any differently?

Crash,baby,crash, and the devil take the hindmost. You knows who you is.

More evidence of un-seriousness:

Obama´s negotiators do not honor the most basic traditional rules of negotiation, according to Dana Perino yesterday.

Perino said that Obama´s people had promised confidentiality of the details of the Republicans´ offers, during negotiation conducted by phone conference.

They then promptly broke this promise and revealed details to the lapdog media for political advantage.

The republicans can´t change Obama´s plans and they can´t go along to get along either. The only thing they can do is get together with each other to discuss a unified PR strategy. The fact that this country is on an unsustainable spending spree that cannot be corrected by squeezing more money out of the taxpayers shouldn´t be a difficult message to sell. Time to do a bit more campaigning of our own.

I think Obama has looked at Boehner and sized him up as a man ready to cave on any- and everything.

Why would Barry compromise?

T´was a time before the election when I thought critical articles on Obama meant something, meant the public was beginning to see the destruction of our country and his utter faiiureship as a leader. Now, I know that writers´ opinions are just that, what they think. They don´t enlighten the sleeping public, they don´t move the dial. Those voters cared not a wit. I no longer take heart. All articles at this point, are just chronicling the destruction. Sad!

#12 has the answer, pass a spending bill in the House and go home. Let the Senate and Obama deal with it then. Spending bills originate in the House, do it and walk away.

The empty chair. As ever.

From voting ´present´ in the IL legislature to being the presIdent, nothing has changed.

Go on off the cliff. Put the government in a recession, lay them off, send them home, don´t hire them back.

No sense in giving the democrats more of what they are already misusing-taxes. They should be made to prove cost to benefit of the first stimulus, before more is given.

Everything mentioned in Mister My Way or the Highway´s agenda on fiskle cliff are giveaways-no self sustaining agenda for citizens is mentioned.

Rick Santelli was going ´ape poop´ on CNBC this morning over Obama´s behavior. Why is he on the campaign trail again? We all know - it´s the only thing he knows how to do.

I´ll repeat myself too. The only choice party sycophants get. Is what color and pattern the deck chairs get recovered in.
Now, go get some egg nog, and sit in yer deck chairs.

It´s all about reparations, folks. He wants whites to discover the joys of plantation life.

I agree with #12 and #20 also. As we watch Obama´s puppeteer direct the destruction of yet another government, the House should just agree to all demands. The left will get what they want one way or another. If votes aren´t there, fraud always works.

.... Maybe the newsies and other ignorant leftists need to see America fall into the hands of dictatorship. Expect whines when voters realize their lives just got worse.

I´m surprised at the number of low-information people and anti-capitalists (often one and the same) who think Obama is on the right track.

Obama doesn´t want to avoid the fiscal cliff, he is making the republicans an offer they can´t accept. Even the cry baby who signalled in advance his willingness to cave must be embarrassed. The house should pass a bill to cut all prior stimulus spending from the budget and eliminate baseline budget increases, zero out the budget of any federal department that is not clearly in the constitution put in a reduction of 10% in all the others except defence which has already been cut, cut the white house budget to the same as the british royal family, extend the Bush tax rates with no sunset, and cut all entitlements to the fraction necessary to balance the budget to the current federal revenue. When this is passed leave town and defend it till the population understands the need for spending discipline. If Obama can double down on his demands why not the cry baby!

The Obama base won´t get the point unless part 2 of the scheme is put through. I am talking about the theft of 401K´s. The base is ok with hitting the ´rich´, but may rethink things when their ox is gored. And it will be. That is how Obama will take down the economy of this country.

The goal is to get a Dem House (impeachment proof), if no deal is reached, which should be an easy task with hatred for Republicans at a fever pitch. If 0 gets a last-minute deal, he is a hero again, win-win.

If the only way to get spending cuts is to do nothing, then the Rs should do nothing. Tax increases will pinch all of us, but most of us are smart enough and capable enough to cut personal discretionary spending and taxable income. It´ll be interesting to see what Obama´s end game is here. Just when the economy begins to recover from the recession caused by his unwillingness to be a serious man, Obamacare will be fully kicking in. What fun!

Obie is confident that much of the republican base and all the tea party will abandon the Republican Party as we´ve known it. It will be suicide for the party and that´s his goal.

I bet more than a few on our side of aisle are beginning to understand the move. They have to walk, or they might as well disband. Seriously.

I hear the messiah is going to Hawaii soon. It´s Christmas get out of town time. Isn´t it strange that he never goes to his own home?

Wish these idiot Americans hadn´t dragged me down with them, I´d love to watch this country crash and burn from a safe distance. It´s going to be epic. Greece times a trillion

"Is it not strange that he never goes to his own home?" I don´t think so, several reasons:
1 He enjoys having fun on opm
2 "here´s in your face whitey"!
3 The ethnic supporters vicariously are enjoying the in your face attitude!
4 The whole dem party and lsm are amazed at
audacity he gets away with.
5 Chitown is becoming the shooters paradise--
wasn´t a murder or shooting in his neighborhood recently?
6 Last but not least--he has to keep moochelle happy!!!

Obama clearly wants to go over the cliff. He´s setting it up so he can blame it on the Republicans. He gets the taxes the Republicans get the blame.

Stop negotiating. Declare there´s nothing you can do to stop Obama from taking us over the cliff. His demands are worse than the cliff itself. So give it to him. Let him own the cliff. He´s running the show, let him have the responsibility/blame.

If you do anything else you give Obama the power to destroy the Republican party.

Obviously Hawaii is a nicer place to spend vacation time than Chicago.
It´s a no-brainer.
You also don´t want to remind people about your felon friend Rezko.

The cliff isn´t much - just go over it and help Obama start another recession.

The midterm elections coming up in 2014 should be a doozy against Obama.
Historically the sixth year of a presidency (the midterm of the second term) results in
horrificly bad numbers in Congress for the incumbent president´s party.

A little recession... and multiple ugly factors (Obamacare, etc)...
should anger voters and turn out the Tea Party bigtime, in force.

That should increase the House and take the Senate for the GOP in November 2014.
Even W couldn´t stem the tide in 2006, despite good vote results against the odds
that he achieved in 2002 midterms.
Year Six is always ugly. This one will be even worse.

Lotsa peeps are gonna be feelin´ very nasty by 2014.
Let Bambi take it you know where.
Where sheep always do.
"Bah Ram Ewe" (quote from movie "Babe")

The country has already failed. The death blow occurred in 2008 when the trillions in stimulus money was wasted on barry´s vote-buying schemes. That money is unrecoverable and we will be decades in digging out of the hole. May he and his family rot in Hawaii or Kenya or whereever he calls home while better people rebuild America. I have never seen a bigger bunch of incompetent, delusional amateurs gathered in one place.

Let. It. Burn. Slap the American people in the face that all the government they think they need costs a lot of money and the fiscal cliff is a way to show them just how much.

After all, this is what the "half-a-loaf" R´s & D´s decided to do last time around. And, if the R´s negotiate from a position of who gets hurt worse, they´re more stupid than I thought. R´s ALWAYS get hurt worse, due to the complicit stenographers in major media. Let. It. Burn.

If America has re-elected an unserious president it is simply because we have become an unserious people. If we are what we eat, certainly we elect who we are.

We were serious once, on 9/12/2001. We were united. But that unity and resolve were frittered away by a purposeless leader and his progressive advisors, more interested in nation building among the simians on monkey island than destroying the threat to America.

We are now adrift, with a leader whose rallying cry is more “sideways” than “forward.” “In God we trust” has been replaced by “feed me, clothe me, house me, help me.” The race snobs who tut-tutted at the demands of black New Orleans residents now have the spectacle of white Sandy “victims” proclaiming their helplessness. The New York of the iron workers marching to Ground Zero to dig with their bare hands on the very day of the attack has morphed into the Staten Island of the newly homeless, staring at wreckage a month old and asking who will clean up the mess for them.

Drive it over the cliff. I’m sick and tired of hearing about it.

In the liturgical calendar, Sunday is "New Year´s Day" as it is the first Sunday of Advent. I am a committed Christian, so this is an important day for me. The Holy Season of Advent reminds us that Jesus the Savior came into this world bodily over 2000 years ago. It reminds us also that Jesus will come again to reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords--in justice and peace and mercy.

I have been a flag-flying, flag-waving American. Because of Obama and the direction this country is headed (along with the many years of decline it has taken to get us to this point), I will no longer fly the American flag in front of my house starting Sunday 2 December 2012. Obama is not my king. The United States and the State of Illinois are not my final home.

While I am a loyal citizen of the United States and resident of Illinois, my first loyalty beyond all others is to Jesus Christ. To show that loyalty to King Jesus, I will fly the flag of my faith, which bears the image of the cross.

Each morning as I leave my home to go to work, I will be reminded of where my loyalty truly lies: In the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ. I have no king but him. He is the true--the SERIOUS--king!

Alinsky rule #3, #5, #6, #10. Okay let´s do it.

No. 34: He doesn´t have a home. He´s from nowhere. He has no past, no friends, no family, and no character. "He´s a real nowhere man" who cares only for himself. If the voting public had half a brain he´d either be in therapy, in jail, or both.

Will some Republican with a brain,(if one can be found) please get started on the 12th Amendment before Dec. 17????

Walk away. Let the cliff come. If you´re worried about the military, forget it. Our military is going to be decimated anyway. This country is like an alcoholic on a years-long binge. Only when the alcoholic is near death does he change his ways. And sometimes he chooses death over change. I think in 2012 we chose death over change. It´s going to be a rough ride. But we have enough Red States to start over with a new confederation of the sane. I live in California, and we chose death over life. Damn shame, we were a great State, and we were once a great nation. It´s all gone folks. We need to start over after the disaster. Zero will be swept away like the Marxist he is.

Negotiating with Marxists/communists is always very difficult to impossible. Just ask Henry Kissinger. The only thing they understand is force. If Obama and his Marxist/communist friends refuse to negotiate in good faith, go over the cliff and greet them at the bottom with bayonets.

Now let´s see.
1. Raise taxes
2. Increase spending
3. Do nothing about spending cuts until next year.

Obama´s plan for fiscal disaster!

Obama is a Blaojevich clone on steriods. The people from Illinois know that he will spend, offer roayal edits, and live like a King and thumb his nose at everyone even his own democrat party. The one hope is the Illinois democrats impeached Blagojevich before he was sent to Federal prison with Obama´s other Chicago friend and felon, Tony Rezko.

Go over the cliff. Let the automatic cuts kick in. Let the cities burn.

The White House plantation AND the media will let us down.

I keep thinking I´m in a bad dream and need to wake up fast! How in blazes did this con man become an 8-year occupant of the White House, just like the impeached Clinton? We are truly surrounded by idiots in this once - great nation....and they outnumbered us somehow in this last fraudulent election, didnt they?

Don´t waste your time on this, folks. It´s all show. Some very bigs cajones involved right now. Hard to believe Obie and his hoods are working for us, no? The bandaid fix will come, surprise, surprise. And, don´t look for any big year market-wise in 2013.

Negotiating with Obama is not surprisingly akin the negotiating experience Israel has with the Palestinians.

"unserious" ?
The three Stooges were unserious.

How about inept ?

Obama and family are heading to Hawaii, his adopted "home", for the holidays. He has no worries about the debt cliff. The plan is already in place. Either the Republicans will stay firm on no separate tax increase for the wealthy (in which the deadline passes and taxes surge up for all) or the Republicans cave in to Obama and can then be shown as weak and soft. O can´t lose in either case. A burdened and defeated citizenry will then need government to survive. And take away their guns and it´s many times worse. Going around Congress via executive orders well over 900 times already, what we have is a dictatorship. For those of us who have accepted Christ, remember: He said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." Stand on that. Heads up.