The first serious proposals from the White House to solve the looming "fiscal cliff" of tax rises and budget cuts appear to have been rejected out of hand by Republican leaders in Congress. Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner is reported to have offered a set of proposals that include increasing tax rates on the wealthy, a one-year postponement of scheduled cuts in defence and domestic spending, and $400bn in savings from Medicare and other entitlement programmes. The proposals (Snip)include a $1.6tn tax increase, a $50bn stimulus package and new presidential powers to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval.
Comments: From the lefty Guardian. Boehner and McConnell rejected the proposals as "incomplete". And the "new presidential powers to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval" couldn´t have been a big seller. Article includes description of the back and forth...
The Dems have planned to "go over the cliff" all along. It guts the military budget, which is what they want. It raises taxes and the MSM will blame the Repubs. Entitlements will see a cut, but the "entitlements game" is still on. Promising entitlements is how the Dems get re-elected. It´s essentially buying votes. It really doesn´t matter if there are cuts, they just get back in the game and promise more entitlements, and get re-elected. Democratic politicians have nothing to lose if we go over the cliff.
Sending Little Timmy to negotiate anything is shoving the Republicans faces in it. He is a nasty, slimy, sarcastic little pr#ck and I can imagine his utter disdain when delivering the proposals. I realize that politics involves posturing and negotiating but we are getting enough of that from the Campaigner-in-Chief. I want to hear more from Boehner and McConnell sticking to their guns and not wavering. There has been sufficient time since the election for us to realize we are screwed for the next four years. Please let us not roll over and ask for more.
Just say no. Go over the cliff and start explaining in no uncertain terms what a crap deal was offered. MORE spending??? Really. Even the idiots who work in the media will turn on the dems. Quit negotiating wth yourself Boehner. Tell them you will talk again when they get serious. Start leaking to the media. But the crybaby will give in, afraid to lose his office n 2 years.
from what I´m picking up ..... Team 44 is looking to set-up Boehner and company ...... minimal/´phased´ cuts, no medicare touching, tax increases, more fiscal stimulus pork-fest for Team 44 constituents ... banking on the news media to do their Vance Packard Hidden Persuaders thing on the team 44 majority voting sheeple.
Give the progs the wheel and let them drive us over the fiscal cliff. If they will not make meaningful cuts in spending, tell them you will vote as our esteemed dictator did while in the Senate, present, and let them own thIs abomination.
Stimulus packages which increase funds paid to government employees or government contractors,are stupid, evil, wasteful and counterproductive. For every ten billion you spend, three billion is for wages and produces about a billion in taxes.... and another day older and deeper in debt, but someone may gain some political contributions along the way... mentioning no names, of course.
Please remember that this debacle was set up by the cry baby caving to Obama giving him everything he wanted in last summer debt ceiling negotiations. Has he learned anything when he sees Obama doubling down on his demands? I doubt it. Since there never is a budget the only lever left is the debt ceiling. Never raise it and warn anyone buying US treasury paper that if they make loans to Obama it will be Obama not the nation they will need to collect their trillions from. The cry baby has the power of the purse. This is the only thing Obama doesn´t have. Use it to stop him!
Boner and McCon-us will cave, just like last time , you watch , Pelosi has more punch in her purse than the Grand old party put together . Nope , we´ve been sold out so many times , why does anyone even bother with it . Go fish and save yourself the heartburn .
The GOP should boycott the inauguration swearing in. All Media outlets with any spine should do the same. For the majority of real Americans who work for their living and love America, Obama is not their president. The Joint Chiefs should stay away too.
I´m sick of the pet names given to John Boehner and Mitch McConnell. Say, if you think you can do better, you campaign and get elected to a seat so you can do better.
The task at hand is large and we Republicans rip our own to pieces. I´m sick of it. How is it that the Democrats can stick together through all of the ugliness, corruption, and dirty politics but we Republicans (Conservatives and Tea Party) shred our own. I don´t get it. One hair is out of place and we aren´t voting for this person. When are we going to learn?
So if you have any pet names for the Republicans, keep it to yourself.
# 32 is spot on. 365 days a year ,Republicans tear each other apart on every talk show and blog , with the grandaddy of cannibalism being the primaries. The media plays the right like a fiddle. They know exactly how to phrase things or report half quotes so the right will become en fuego. Keeping the right in a constant state of agitation is their goal and the goal of some talkers on the right-for ratings. The Democrats always stick together or keep their disputes private. FTA- " Republican Representative Steve King said he and fellow conservatives could live with raising taxes " . "Conservatives might be able to figure how they can go home and rationalise a vote that included a revenue increase and or a tax rate increase," King said. Don´t know if this is the full quote from King, but, it´s the one the media picked. Boehner says no way, it´s " class warfare ".
Keeping the Bush top tax rates seems to be beyond the courage of the GOP. The next best option from the health of the country perspective is to revert to the Clinton rates for ALL and letting the extensions of unemployment benefits expire. There is frankly little current incentive to work a $40,000 a year job compared not working and collecting benefits. The disincentives will go away if the GOP doesn´t cut a deal. And the Sequester guarantees some savings, again if the GOP doesn´t cut a deal.
Re GOP unity the reality is that the present GOP establishment leadership is timid and ineffective - they are selling us out. This leaves us with only two choices. Take over the GOP or start a third party which leaves us in the wilderness for many more years of Rat destruction. I think the take over is the best choice!
#35 You are spot on! To succeed, however, the takeover needs to be from the bottom up. The top down approach of Ross Perot never had a chance due to the structure of the Electorial College. There is a good start in 30 states. The RINOs need to be removed from office. But, you will get Democrat replacements unless the new Republican is seen as a worthy replacement. Just look at the last election.
I too, agree with # 32.Has it occured to Repubs. that the reason they bad-mouth other Repubs is because of the helplessness they feel? Such is the behavior of the guilty. Cut it out!! You made your bed now TRY to sleep in it.
The Leaders currently in the Congress,Boehner and McConnell, are doing everything that´s humanly possible to do your bidding and if you really cared, reall,really cared,you would be e-mailing, tweeting,whatever, to support their efforts to save this abomination of obama´s "great plan" from becoming law.
It´s always the Lucy and Charlie Brown kicking the football proposal. Of course when Charlie Brown lands on his back, Luck can blame him for being a racist homophobe who want to throw granny over the cliff in her wheel chair and take food from the mouths of starving children, and let old people die, and let the rich get even richer on the backs of the poor and middle class. Works every single time.
The really offense part of the offer is to allow Obama to take over the finance controls reserved for Congress( the House that is) by the Constitution. The GOP problem hinges on the concept by the far right that everyone but they are the damn RINOs. How I hate that overworked four letter non word.It screams of self centered defeat before we even start. When will the truth sink in --that the far right is at only 20% but they destroy every effort to work together due to single issue thinking and self righteous destruction even if the GOP does win the presidency. Most GOP are center focused conservatives and all the independents voting with them are too.
Here´s a thought... Since the Republicans will be blamed anyway, I suggest that they go on all the Sunday talk shows and offer to give Obama EVERYTHING he wants. Say that elections have consequences and it´s time we let Obama show us he can lead. It will be a tough sale to the base but someone has to be bold. The only proviso is that Obama and Congress must present a fiscal plan in writing and in time to make it public prior to the first of the year. Above all, it MUST have his signature as well as the Democrat leaders in Congress. It will then be known that whatever happens will be their doing and theirs alone. That way we may be able to gain seats in the House and Senate to reverse much of what he proposed. Otherwise I believe we will lose seats.
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