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Republicans reject White House
fiscal cliff proposals as incomplete

Guardian [UK], by Richard Adams and Dominic Rushe

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Posted By:earlybird, 11/29/2012 6:50:48 PM

The first serious proposals from the White House to solve the looming "fiscal cliff" of tax rises and budget cuts appear to have been rejected out of hand by Republican leaders in Congress. Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner is reported to have offered a set of proposals that include increasing tax rates on the wealthy, a one-year postponement of scheduled cuts in defence and domestic spending, and $400bn in savings from Medicare and other entitlement programmes. The proposals (Snip)include a $1.6tn tax increase, a $50bn stimulus package and new presidential powers to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval.

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From the lefty Guardian. Boehner and McConnell rejected the proposals as "incomplete". And the "new presidential powers to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval" couldn´t have been a big seller. Article includes description of the back and forth...

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 11/29/2012 7:10:22 PM     (No. 9040215)

Yes, you see, the Republicans rejected it. It isn´t possible for the Democrats to put forth a bad proposal in the eyes of the leftists. The Republicans must be the ones to blame!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Ouachita, 11/29/2012 7:14:23 PM     (No. 9040220)

Anyone outside the beltway who just barely follows this is probably shouting at the top of their lungs....Nooooooo!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: rocket-j-squirrel, 11/29/2012 7:29:37 PM     (No. 9040235)

FTA: ´´both House speaker John Boehner and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell – the two most senior Republicans in Congress – brushed aside the proposals as incomplete.´´

I would brush aside the proposal as INSANE! Sorry for yelling, but these idiots are playing musical chairs while real Americans are prepping for Armageddon.

´´When the music´s over,
Turn off the light, turn off the light, turn off the light.´´
(The Doors)

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Reply 4 - Posted by: volksford, 11/29/2012 8:12:34 PM     (No. 9040294)

These medicare morons who voted for Zero are in for the surprise of their life.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Muggins, 11/29/2012 8:25:27 PM     (No. 9040317)

The Dems have planned to "go over the cliff" all along. It guts the military budget, which is what they want. It raises taxes and the MSM will blame the Repubs. Entitlements will see a cut, but the "entitlements game" is still on. Promising entitlements is how the Dems get re-elected. It´s essentially buying votes. It really doesn´t matter if there are cuts, they just get back in the game and promise more entitlements, and get re-elected. Democratic politicians have nothing to lose if we go over the cliff.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: wtm, 11/29/2012 8:35:13 PM     (No. 9040326)

$50 billion, new "Stimulus". Got to pay back all those Unions for helping "The Won" !!!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: stablemoney, 11/29/2012 8:47:07 PM     (No. 9040352)

The Republicans should go home for Christmas and enjoy the holidays.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: august9, 11/29/2012 9:01:45 PM     (No. 9040369)

This bum is practicing "union negotiations" 101----make wildly ridiculous demands, and then settle for what you really want, or more, if the other guy is naive!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: noddy, 11/29/2012 9:04:14 PM     (No. 9040372)

Sending Little Timmy to negotiate anything is shoving the Republicans faces in it. He is a nasty, slimy, sarcastic little pr#ck and I can imagine his utter disdain when delivering the proposals. I realize that politics involves posturing and negotiating but we are getting enough of that from the Campaigner-in-Chief. I want to hear more from Boehner and McConnell sticking to their guns and not wavering. There has been sufficient time since the election for us to realize we are screwed for the next four years. Please let us not roll over and ask for more.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: pedro4, 11/29/2012 9:12:09 PM     (No. 9040380)

Just say no. Go over the cliff and start explaining in no uncertain terms what a crap deal was offered. MORE spending??? Really. Even the idiots who work in the media will turn on the dems. Quit negotiating wth yourself Boehner. Tell them you will talk again when they get serious. Start leaking to the media. But the crybaby will give in, afraid to lose his office n 2 years.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/29/2012 10:03:32 PM     (No. 9040436)

#7 If they would just do it, we would all be behind them too. It´s time for forthright courage.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Objectivity, 11/29/2012 10:50:01 PM     (No. 9040464)

from what I´m picking up ..... Team 44 is looking to set-up Boehner and company ...... minimal/´phased´ cuts, no medicare touching, tax increases, more fiscal stimulus pork-fest for Team 44 constituents ... banking on the news media to do their Vance Packard Hidden Persuaders thing on the team 44 majority voting sheeple.

this is going to get ugly

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Trigger2, 11/30/2012 4:09:10 AM     (No. 9040623)

New powers to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval? Why not a proposal to declare jugears pharoah?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: sixtiesdude, 11/30/2012 7:11:34 AM     (No. 9040726)

Hey, GOP, there´s a UPS sticker on your door telling you that your spine just arrived.

Help Obamapalooza get what he wants and you are DEAD to me.

If I want to support stupid people, I can just vote Green and cut out the middle man!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Starlady, 11/30/2012 7:29:00 AM     (No. 9040755)

I agree with those that say the GOP should just go home and say to call the when Obama has come up with a serious plan to consider. Until then there is no point in staying in town.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: fb2002, 11/30/2012 7:33:07 AM     (No. 9040759)

I was and continue to be despondent over the election. It´s really bad. We have people who want to destroy my dear country in charge. How utterly sad.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Rinktum, 11/30/2012 7:52:17 AM     (No. 9040790)

Give the progs the wheel and let them drive us over the fiscal cliff. If they will not make meaningful cuts in spending, tell them you will vote as our esteemed dictator did while in the Senate, present, and let them own thIs abomination.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: LZK, 11/30/2012 7:56:42 AM     (No. 9040799)

The republicans will be blamed either way. If they compromise or don´t -- so let it happen.

Gingrich is right!! Let it fall and tell the American people WHY.....

WE conservatives will survive. Not sure about the welfare crowd.......gas at $7.00 and milk at $5.00 will open their eyes.

LZK

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Stopstoreload, 11/30/2012 8:10:43 AM     (No. 9040822)

Stimulus packages which increase funds paid to government employees or government contractors,are stupid, evil, wasteful and counterproductive. For every ten billion you spend, three billion is for wages and produces about a billion in taxes.... and another day older and deeper in debt, but someone may gain some political contributions along the way... mentioning no names, of course.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: tocsin, 11/30/2012 8:18:25 AM     (No. 9040831)

FTA:´´Republican Representative Steve King said he and fellow conservatives could live with raising taxes.´´
Is King pulling a Khris Kringle Khristie?
Allowing himself to be blackmailed by ØweBama?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: noproblems, 11/30/2012 8:21:57 AM     (No. 9040836)

take a moral stand on spending money our children have to pay back. forget about small tax rate increases for the rich. just a diversion by the Dimms.

Debt Ceiling is where the battle lines should form.

The Repugs should allow 10 montha of deficit spending this year; 9 months of deficit spending next year; 8 months of deficit spending the year after, etc.

No increase in Debt Ceilings without a budget.

These are positions the Repugs can take with wide moral support.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: franq, 11/30/2012 8:38:31 AM     (No. 9040871)

The Rats want to simplify the tax code, alright. New 1040 has only 2 lines. Line 1: gross wages. Line 2: tax owed, enter amount from line 1.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 11/30/2012 8:45:08 AM     (No. 9040887)

What is "incomplete" is leadership.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: OhMy, 11/30/2012 8:58:58 AM     (No. 9040923)

Please remember that this debacle was set up by the cry baby caving to Obama giving him everything he wanted in last summer debt ceiling negotiations. Has he learned anything when he sees Obama doubling down on his demands? I doubt it. Since there never is a budget the only lever left is the debt ceiling. Never raise it and warn anyone buying US treasury paper that if they make loans to Obama it will be Obama not the nation they will need to collect their trillions from. The cry baby has the power of the purse. This is the only thing Obama doesn´t have. Use it to stop him!

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Luckyx3, 11/30/2012 9:01:40 AM     (No. 9040932)

Run away, run away

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Reply 26 - Posted by: starboard, 11/30/2012 10:09:01 AM     (No. 9041077)

Let Obama and the Dems own The Fiscal Cliff and in the process don´t let them get the last word Speak louder and more often.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: dman, 11/30/2012 10:30:17 AM     (No. 9041131)

This goes beyond voting "present". Time to tell the Dems where they can stick their proposals.

Walk away from the table.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: OperaBuff, 11/30/2012 10:32:37 AM     (No. 9041139)

We are being led by the insane. We will not survive four more years of their insanity. Shove it off the cliff. All of it. If BO wants insanity, give it to him. Lots of it.

Oh, and a note to Speaker Boehner: The House of Representatives controls the purse strings.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: owl, 11/30/2012 10:38:19 AM     (No. 9041162)

Boner and McCon-us will cave, just like last time , you watch , Pelosi has more punch in her purse than the Grand old party put together . Nope , we´ve been sold out so many times , why does anyone even bother with it . Go fish and save yourself the heartburn .

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Crosscut, 11/30/2012 10:43:49 AM     (No. 9041176)

The GOP should boycott the inauguration swearing in. All Media outlets with any spine should do the same. For the majority of real Americans who work for their living and love America, Obama is not their president. The Joint Chiefs should stay away too.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: arkfamily, 11/30/2012 11:46:14 AM     (No. 9041324)

I´m sick of the pet names given to John Boehner and Mitch McConnell. Say, if you think you can do better, you campaign and get elected to a seat so you can do better.

The task at hand is large and we Republicans rip our own to pieces. I´m sick of it. How is it that the Democrats can stick together through all of the ugliness, corruption, and dirty politics but we Republicans (Conservatives and Tea Party) shred our own. I don´t get it. One hair is out of place and we aren´t voting for this person. When are we going to learn?

So if you have any pet names for the Republicans, keep it to yourself.



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Reply 32 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 11/30/2012 1:42:42 PM     (No. 9041593)

# 32 is spot on.
365 days a year ,Republicans tear each other apart on every talk show and blog , with the grandaddy of cannibalism being the primaries.
The media plays the right like a fiddle.
They know exactly how to phrase things or report half quotes so the right will become en fuego.
Keeping the right in a constant state of
agitation is their goal and
the goal of some talkers on the right-for ratings.
The Democrats always stick together
or keep their disputes private.
FTA- " Republican Representative Steve King said he and fellow conservatives could live with raising taxes " .
"Conservatives might be able to figure how they can go home and rationalise a vote that included a revenue increase and or a tax rate increase," King said.
Don´t know if this is the full quote from King, but, it´s the one the media picked.
Boehner says no way,
it´s " class warfare ".

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Reply 33 - Posted by: oh-heck, 11/30/2012 1:46:52 PM     (No. 9041604)

Keeping the Bush top tax rates seems to be beyond the courage of the GOP. The next best option from the health of the country perspective is to revert to the Clinton rates for ALL and letting the extensions of unemployment benefits expire. There is frankly little current incentive to work a $40,000 a year job compared not working and collecting benefits. The disincentives will go away if the GOP doesn´t cut a deal. And the Sequester guarantees some savings, again if the GOP doesn´t cut a deal.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: OhMy, 11/30/2012 2:10:33 PM     (No. 9041662)

Re GOP unity the reality is that the present GOP establishment leadership is timid and ineffective - they are selling us out. This leaves us with only two choices. Take over the GOP or start a third party which leaves us in the wilderness for many more years of Rat destruction. I think the take over is the best choice!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Franz, 11/30/2012 3:27:33 PM     (No. 9041802)

#35 You are spot on! To succeed, however, the takeover needs to be from the bottom up. The top down approach of Ross Perot never had a chance due to the structure of the Electorial College. There is a good start in 30 states. The RINOs need to be removed from office. But, you will get Democrat replacements unless the new Republican is seen as a worthy replacement. Just look at the last election.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Browneyes, 11/30/2012 3:30:06 PM     (No. 9041812)

I too, agree with # 32.Has it occured to Repubs. that the reason they bad-mouth other Repubs is because of the helplessness they feel? Such is the behavior of the guilty. Cut it out!! You made your bed now TRY to sleep in it.

The Leaders currently in the Congress,Boehner and McConnell, are doing everything that´s humanly possible to do your bidding and if you really cared, reall,really cared,you would be e-mailing, tweeting,whatever, to support their efforts to save this abomination of obama´s "great plan" from becoming law.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: JediJerry, 11/30/2012 5:04:26 PM     (No. 9041923)

It´s always the Lucy and Charlie Brown kicking the football proposal. Of course when Charlie Brown lands on his back, Luck can blame him for being a racist homophobe who want to throw granny over the cliff in her wheel chair and take food from the mouths of starving children, and let old people die, and let the rich get even richer on the backs of the poor and middle class. Works every single time.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 11/30/2012 5:44:34 PM     (No. 9041970)

The really offense part of the offer is to allow Obama to take over the finance controls reserved for Congress( the House that is) by the Constitution.
The GOP problem hinges on the concept by the far right that everyone but they are the damn RINOs.
How I hate that overworked four letter non word.It screams of self centered defeat before we even start.
When will the truth sink in --that the far right is at only 20% but they destroy every effort to work together due to single issue thinking and self righteous destruction even if the GOP does win the presidency.
Most GOP are center focused conservatives and all the independents voting with them are too.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: chicodon, 11/30/2012 7:01:13 PM     (No. 9042071)

Here´s a thought... Since the Republicans will be blamed anyway, I suggest that they go on all the Sunday talk shows and offer to give Obama EVERYTHING he wants. Say that elections have consequences and it´s time we let Obama show us he can lead. It will be a tough sale to the base but someone has to be bold. The only proviso is that Obama and Congress must present a fiscal plan in writing and in time to make it public prior to the first of the year. Above all, it MUST have his signature as well as the Democrat leaders in Congress. It will then be known that whatever happens will be their doing and theirs alone. That way we may be able to gain seats in the House and Senate to reverse much of what he proposed. Otherwise I believe we will lose seats.

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Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as


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