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Harry Reid: Fiscal Cliff Deal
Must Include Raising Debt Ceiling

Breitbart´s Big Government, by Tony Lee

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 11/28/2012 2:39:07 PM

In addition to raising taxes on those making over $250,000, Harry Reid and President Barack Obama want to raise the debt ceiling as part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. Reid on Tuesday said raising the debt ceiling must also be included in any fiscal cliff deal because he did not want to negotiate separately with Republicans over the debt ceiling six weeks later. “We would be somewhat foolish to work out something on stopping us from going over the cliff and then a month or six weeks later Republicans pull the same game they did before and say,

It sickens and enrages me what the Democrats are doing to this country and the Republicans act like spineless fools. The fact that spending is never, ever mentioned in these discussions is outrageous. It´s so very depressing.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: FunOne, 11/28/2012 2:41:53 PM     (No. 9037883)

How about the GOP insisting that the Senate PASS A BUDGET as a condition on any fiscal cliff negotiations?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: SteelTurman, 11/28/2012 2:45:25 PM     (No. 9037887)

How about the Republicans do anything but cave every time?

Just once - try it just to see if it might work.

Never know unless you try.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Gallo3, 11/28/2012 2:45:42 PM     (No. 9037889)

Not just no, but heck no!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 11/28/2012 2:48:46 PM     (No. 9037898)

Fine. Make them actually propose and pass a budget. I can´t believe that we´re on our way to a fourth year without a budget.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: rpool, 11/28/2012 2:48:58 PM     (No. 9037899)

Uh, just in case you didn´t read #3´s post, NO!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Redneck In NY, 11/28/2012 2:49:07 PM     (No. 9037900)

Dear Harry Reid, please see:

The EU
The Roman Empire

Dear Repubs, please see the above.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 11/28/2012 2:52:13 PM     (No. 9037908)

Does anyone else notice that the Democrats are telling us what we should include, but we never hear what they will put on the table? Rush was just talking about that...I guess because they won the election and we didn´t.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: hotcorner, 11/28/2012 2:54:42 PM     (No. 9037916)

Yes, how about a budget, a standard of no more than 19% GDP for spending, the penny mac bill for cutting spending, entitlement reform. No, negotiating with these weenies who are in a campaign mode 100% of the time won´t work. Buchanan said pass 2 bills: retain the payroll tax cut and retain the Bush tax cuts for another year and wait. Let the Rats sign it or leave it on the table and own the cliff. There are few good options with these folks.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: noproblems, 11/28/2012 3:00:28 PM     (No. 9037924)

ther Dims know they have no leverage once the Repugs agree to raise taxes on the rich.

I an not sure of the depths of Repug stupidity. I would recommend they only pass the Bush "tax cuts" but without including the "rich" (let the Dimms define rich).

If the Dimms want to go over the cliff, let them. Kinda hard for them to blame Repugs at that point. Once the rich are taxed everything is fine, right?

Also, we will find out what kind of man Romney is tomorrow.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Garry Owen, 11/28/2012 3:02:12 PM     (No. 9037930)

I recommend we take the dive off the fiscal cliff. This is the only way to get the mandatory domestic spending cuts. Once off the cliff the House (because that is where all budget matters must originate) pass a permanent tax relief bill reinstating the Bush Tax rates. Let Obama and the Democrats vote against middle class tax relief, good for 2014. Then, pass a second bill to relieve the military of 1/2 the mandatory budget cuts. Let Obama and the Democrats vote against supporting our military during a time of war. Another winning issue for 2014. I sure hope someone in the GOP Leadership reads Lucianne. This is a no brainer...the only way we the people will get the domestic spending cuts.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 11/28/2012 3:03:02 PM     (No. 9037931)

Where is the GOP response? Where is the pushback? The anger? The facts? Where is the spine of the GOP?

I am seriously depressed that John Blubber-Boy Boehner will just roll over for the Demowhores.

It´s about the deficit and spending. Fight back, you weasels.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 11/28/2012 3:03:16 PM     (No. 9037932)

What makes dirty Harry think there will be a "Deal"? At this point, I am all for diving off the Fiscal Cliff! It is time to take the punishment for allowing this disaster to happen. Let the chips fall where they may!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Davids918, 11/28/2012 3:09:32 PM     (No. 9037944)

Make them propose and vote on a budget in the Senate first.

Then we´ll talk, Harry.

McConnell and others should be demanding the Senate Democrats pass a budget - put their names on the line.

Do NOT allow the debt ceiling to be increased as it will only allow them to push this off just like they have for the last 4 years.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Pearson365, 11/28/2012 3:15:49 PM     (No. 9037963)

Obama & Reid are far craftier than smart, for they know how to have the media blame the GOP for everything they and the Dems do wrong. Don´t increase the debt ceiling, then seniors won ´t get SS checks. Don´t agree upon raising taxes on the "rich", then retailers have a bleak Christmas. Ask for entitlement reform, then the poor and elderly won´t get to see a doctor. Act to reduce growth of spending, then AIDs sufferers go naked. The old, white GOP not only is soulless, it is heartless. No matter how false, this is the narrative that national media will run with, especially with Christmas approaching.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rafter, 11/28/2012 3:17:46 PM     (No. 9037967)

Refuse to raise the debt ceiling any further.

Take a stand.

What could anyone do?
The GOP controls the House.
Time for GOP to stick it to ´em.
Constitution gives House the power to tax and spend.

I´d like to see the predictions on the results of this.
"Over the cliff without a chute."

Time for The Day of Reckoning.
And Wreckining.
Bring it on.
The Obama Train Wreck.
It´s a No-Broehner.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Black Knight, 11/28/2012 3:27:15 PM     (No. 9037986)

Go over the Fiscal Cliff to be sure we´re all in this together.
(We can reverse the Tax Increases when we have cut enough wasted spending to do so.)

Leave the Debt Ceiling frozen to require the Federal Reserve to cover all overspending by expanding the money supply. (They already do so by buying up our expiring debt.)

Put Obama on Quarterly Probationary Budgeting. (The federal workforce must have maximum skin in the game, and Obama must face the music every quarter.)
- Freeze every Department´s Budget in inflated dollars, with zero growth trajectory and zero inflation offset, until the Budget is balanced.
- Freeze compensation of the non-Defense federal workforce until the Budget
is balanced.
- Replace Continuing Budget Resolutions with Quarterly Probationary Budgets that make real quarterly cuts across the board for every department.
- Reduce each non-Defense Department´s Quarterly Budget by 1% from the prior
Quarter as a cut in Waste, Fraud and Abuse, and define its unique performance metric for return on spending.
- Institute quarterly House Reviews of every Department´s performance before passing the next Quarterly Budget.
- Support the Reviews with a House Budget Oversight Department (BOD) to (1) verify spending control, (2) report return on spending, and (3) investigate Waste, Fraud and Abuse by Department. Fund the BOD with an allocation of 1% from every Department´s Budget. [Let Romney run it.]

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Reply 17 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 11/28/2012 3:40:57 PM     (No. 9038013)

I´ve heard nothing but what the socialists want - higher tax rates, debt ceiling increase, no spending cuts. Why should there be any kind of deal? What are they willing to give up to get all this? To hell with them.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 11/28/2012 4:18:36 PM     (No. 9038077)

Every day the dems make a new demand. It never stops.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 11/28/2012 4:59:31 PM     (No. 9038162)

Forget Greece, this country will look like the inner city slums of Detroit when the Dems win this.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: neenbean, 11/28/2012 5:12:40 PM     (No. 9038193)

Better yet...do nothing and lets go over! Be done with it...Why worry about a debt ceiling when you don´t have budgets and send billions to Hamas

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Reply 21 - Posted by: oh-heck, 11/28/2012 5:15:39 PM     (No. 9038203)

Let them keep demanding and don´t say a word. The extensions will expire on unemployment benefits, the Bush tax rates, and the Obama Payroll Tax Holiday. The Sequester they proposed will take effect. Reality has to set in sometime.

Have House Democrats put a bill on the floor?

Have Senate Democrats put a bill on the floor?

Who is doing the obstructing?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: formerlyphelps, 11/28/2012 5:42:11 PM     (No. 9038237)

Democrats don’t want to fix the problems. They don’t know how to fix the problems. Democrats aren’t even trying to fix the problems!

They want to buy votes, pass the buck, assign blame, obfuscate and evade. They only want to win. The results are 100% irrelevant.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: octrojan, 11/28/2012 5:45:47 PM     (No. 9038248)

Not sure why the opposition to Reid´s comment. Makes sense, doesn´t it? Why play games. Either make a deal or dive off the cliff. Why pretend to deal today and do it all over again in 6 weeks. What´s going to change between now and then?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 11/28/2012 5:52:40 PM     (No. 9038264)

The Dems are essentially stealing money from the next generation and spending it all now. But they think ahead no further than the next 24 hours (just like their supporters).
It won´t be a pretty day when it suddenly has to stop.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: rocket scientist, 11/28/2012 6:50:20 PM     (No. 9038343)

At this point I don´t believe anything either party says. All we get is endless Kabuki theater from this bunch. We know Boehner does secret deals with the DemocRATS behind closed doors. All we can be certain of is nothing will change, spending will go up and taxes will go up. We do not have a representative government any more. We have government by Crime Family.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/28/2012 6:54:32 PM     (No. 9038353)

Dr. K is right. Republicans have one card, one card only to play. If they do not do this, there won´t be disagreement any longer that all is lost for the GOP. Allow us to go over the fiscal cliff. So WHAT if Pubbies get "blamed?" When is it time for Boehner and company to stop making decisions because they will get "blamed" for something?? Ths move would ruin Obama´s second term! Do it. If you love this country at all anymore, Mr. Speaker, just do it.

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