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On Non Cooperating With Obamacare
National Review Online, by Wesley J. Smith

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 11/25/2012 10:41:46 PM

The Hill has an interesting story reporting on Republican governors refusing to set up state exchanges under Obamacare–which could save the states money since they are on the hook for costs in excess of federal grants. That means the Feds will have to do it on a state-by-state basis, a daunting task even for this highly bureaucratic administration. Plus, it is perfectly legal under the law to engage in such passive resistance. Some liberals say that approach isn’t conservative because, in effect, it allows the Feds to run state health care. (As if they care!) I’m not buying.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Scribelus, 11/25/2012 10:57:56 PM     (No. 9033751)

"Passive Resistance", hell! This is a fight, to the knife!.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: eoddad, 11/25/2012 11:04:53 PM     (No. 9033754)

Two words Sanctuary cites. I like it.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: JHSMom02, 11/25/2012 11:09:45 PM     (No. 9033756)

Thankful to live in Texas. We´re one of the states resisting.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/25/2012 11:15:51 PM     (No. 9033760)

States shouldn´t touch it. But about half will anyway; the urge to expand bureaucracies burns among in state employees and politicians too.

The idea that the state which sets up an exchange will have the slightest power is laughable. Only pols and some media would try to sell that lie to the people.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: sunsong, 11/25/2012 11:22:44 PM     (No. 9033766)

Yes!!!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: hamrman, 11/25/2012 11:35:19 PM     (No. 9033771)

Great anything to stop it or block it indefinitely!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: steph_gray, 11/26/2012 12:31:13 AM     (No. 9033794)

I like this idea. Vote for Must Read.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: planetgeo, 11/26/2012 1:23:22 AM     (No. 9033819)

Forget about governors not cooperating. Just wait till millions of citizens start "not cooperating" in ways beyond Obamacare. They have no idea what they are unleashing.

I see massive civil disobedience in our future. What happens when people not only don´t enroll in these plans but also refuse to pay the absurd fines? Will they come and drag us away to debtor prisons? What if we resist? What if we start shooting at those who come to drag us away? What if armed neighbors come to our defense too? What if they send in the National Guard...and the National Guard troops side with us?

No. This will not be forced down our throats. This will be Concord Bridge II.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: steveW, 11/26/2012 1:54:30 AM     (No. 9033831)

Americans should all move to Red states. Democrats should all congregate in Blue states. Then let´s see who does best, and who starts to whine about Red states having an "unfair advantage" so that Red state wealth can be confiscated and "redistributed" to Blue states. It would be a most telling experiment.



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Reply 10 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/26/2012 2:10:40 AM     (No. 9033835)

The IRS is supposed to be the enforcer.

Not one person has as yet been hired by the IRS to do the enforcing and the IRS has its hands full just trying to manage its present duties under the idiotic rules that have been forced upon it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Linda in Seattle, 11/26/2012 2:33:27 AM     (No. 9033838)

#10, I do believe that the IRS has recently hired 4,500 -- 4,000 are agents -- to enforce Obamacare. This, of course, is just the first round of hiring.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/26/2012 4:14:23 AM     (No. 9033850)

In order for the IRS to enforce this,it would have to be simplified and we´re already seeing how contorted the law is.What happens when an earned income mom is due a $4000 refund? How can they claim they can´t afford a premium or fine? Meanwhile if you´re single with no kids and barely scraping by,you´ll have to pay the fine?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JLoophole, 11/26/2012 4:18:32 AM     (No. 9033851)

Occupy Obamacare.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 11/26/2012 5:41:27 AM     (No. 9033876)

If Republicans on the Hill were smart, they would offer to cut costs by not hiring the 16,000 IRS agent enforcers. Easy way to connect with the people.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: sagman, 11/26/2012 8:40:01 AM     (No. 9034027)


Obama War Room: Healthcare Bear

OBAMA: HHS, what´ve you come up with so far to reduce life expectancy and keep costs down?
KATHLEEN SEBELIUS: Our databases have every physician´s roster of seniors, their age, maladies, so forth. We´ll assign attrition goals to each doctor. Meet or exceed natural deaths quotas and earn a bonus.
OBAMA: Good. Those who don´t cooperate we´ll replace with poorly trained physician assistants. Anything else?
SEBELIUS: A flu shot lottery. Fifty million doses ordered, max, for 2013. A one in six chance to get the shot. No exceptions for kids or seniors.
OBAMA: That it?
SEBELIUS: A promotion: for every elderly relative who signs a living will leaving life and death decisions to the caregiver, your wait for any elective procedure is reduced a month.
OBAMA: Nice. Anyone else?
TIM GEITHNER: Close local hospitals. Establish mega health complexes in the worst urban neighborhoods. Suburbans will be afraid to come into the city for care. Less strain on resources.
OBAMA: Still, what about people living longer despite our best efforts?
SEBELIUS: Covered. Section 6402, (A) (2) (b) (1) (c) automatically enrolls people in "Dying with Dignity" programs when they hit 60.
OBAMA: Gimme two more.
DAVID PLOUFFE: Make smoking cool and inexpensive again. Give tobacco growers subsidies; make cigarettes food-stamp eligible. When no one´s looking, slip into the PPACA a clause limiting treatment for those who´ve ignored warnings about the filthy habit.
DAVID AXELROD: Nationalize drug companies. Put cancer research on a back burner and launch a crash program to develop a whole new range of placebos.
OBAMA: Great! Remember, our ultimate goal is to encourage people to flee to Canada for their health care.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Essgee1952, 11/26/2012 9:00:46 AM     (No. 9034050)

#12, I am a tax preparer. It´s my understanding that any premium or fine will come out of any refund. If there is no refund, we are to provide the taxpayer´s bank account info so that the IRS can seize it directly. Never, never, never give your bank info to the IRS.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: LZK, 11/26/2012 9:06:06 AM     (No. 9034060)

I´m fighting my own battle here at my house....

I refuse to continue my RX for seniors program. I´ll simply pay for my own prescriptions. The h@ll with the gooooberment....

As for my Medicare -- I´m paying my doctors on a self/pay principle. They like the CASH....

During the 60´s and 70´s I had to "endure" the boomers screaming in my ears. NOW it´s my turn for civil dis/obedience. I´ll scream with my wallet...

Merry Christmas everyone!!

LZK

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Reply 18 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/26/2012 9:19:42 AM     (No. 9034078)

Let them own it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Staunch Repub, 11/26/2012 9:22:26 AM     (No. 9034081)

Stop doing that!

Staunch Repub

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At what point does ´signing´ each post by with User Name get staff attention? (and yet they allow it.....)

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Reply 20 - Posted by: EnsignO´Toole, 11/26/2012 9:29:21 AM     (No. 9034088)

#15 I think is closer to the truth than any of us realize. Chilling. The only thing we can hope for if Obamacare isn´t repealed, is that doctors don´t cooperate. Hopefully their Hippocratic Oath supersedes any allegiance to Obamacare

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ivehadit, 11/26/2012 9:44:35 AM     (No. 9034116)

You know, it´s no wonder that some people have been "stuck on stupid" for centuries, never fully understanding what REAL freedom is about.

Americans educated before 1977 know. It has taken 100 years but the truly sick in this world (whose beliefs are never about real principles, imho, but about their own insecurities, narcissistic fulfillment and culture envy) have once again attempted to destroy true freedom. We shall see if they succeed.

And the irony is, those who have voted for this silent coup, are going to get nothing of what they think they "deserve". It´s laughable. In the end, there is only one way to describe those attempting this coup, who "think they know best": They are motivated in part, imho, from base and lower selves. And from the place of "misery loves miserable company". They are not motivated from the highest and best self, so to speak, although many may think they are. Have they EVER stopped to examine their own motivations? Because in the end, they most always end up hurting the very ones they believe they are "helping"(read controlling).

And so now they think we are all going to be miserable with them, no? As this article describes, don´t bet on it. G-d bless America.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: starboard, 11/26/2012 9:59:09 AM     (No. 9034138)

Republicans need to tell American women how much those contraceptives will actually cost them over a five year period. Let´s see how they like those apples.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Arby, 11/26/2012 10:09:09 AM     (No. 9034154)

Sanctuary cities. Sanctuary states. Sanctuary sections of the country. How would you identify them? They would be where the best doctors would want to practice.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: OperaBuff, 11/26/2012 10:30:15 AM     (No. 9034184)

If the liberals can establish sanctuary cities to harbor illegal immigrants from American law, conservatives can establish sanctuary cities to harbor victims of Obamacare mandates. Or, heck, why not establish sanctuary states?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Echohawk, 11/26/2012 10:34:26 AM     (No. 9034191)

Read Henry David Thoreau´s brilliant "Civil Disobedience." The feds put him in jail because he refused to pay a six-cent tax to pay for the Mexican-American war. He wrote CD in jail: "But a government in which the majority rule in all cases cannot be based on justice."
CD inspired Mahatma Gandhi, and he brought the British Empire to its knees. CD inspired Martin Luther King, and he brought southern Democrats to their knees.
My governor has refused to cooperate with Obamacare. Sanctuary cities. Sanctuary states. Let the blue states continue to rot from within.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: FormerDem, 11/26/2012 10:57:59 AM     (No. 9034232)

i like it!!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: M Stuart, 11/26/2012 11:11:40 AM     (No. 9034262)

#20. The doctors are frightened. Have you seen the fines in this boondoggle?

What they will do it the non-cooperation project works: They will vote with their feet! Doctors will leave blue states in droves.

Hee hee! Now let´s try to attack the elephant in the center of the room: MALPRACTICE laws!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/26/2012 11:12:47 AM     (No. 9034265)

Our only hope lay in two things:
1) God sent events which challenge and expose the evil of this administration.
2) The States standing up per the Constitution, and challenging the 70 years of unchecked tyrannical federal power.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: forward, 11/26/2012 11:17:01 AM     (No. 9034272)

Our side needs to prepare: the Obama admin is about to spend a TON of money and time on a media outreach campaign about "how wonderful Obamacare is and what YOU GET because of it."

I have a sinking feeling that the conservative side will just screech on the sidelines instead of countering this media onslaught with mainstream-aimed PR efforts of our own. One painful lesson we should learn from Nov 6: if we just hunker down in conservative corners (TV shows, radio programs, online sites) and do not try to persuade another 10%-20% of everybody else, we will lose. Why? Because the other side is engaged in mega propaganda, never ending campaign, 24/7.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: saguni, 11/26/2012 11:58:19 AM     (No. 9034352)

I think these Governors who refuse to create the state insurance exchanges are smarter than this (and other) journ-o-lister realize.

I recall, shortly after 0dumbocare passed, that the clause reads "...subsidies for participants is state insurance exchanges..."

So, if the states refuse, and the feds have to "create" the insurance exchange, then those do not qualify for the subsidy.

If the House stands steadfast, and refuses to allocate funds for 0dumbocare, where will Duh Wun´s (and the Dims) approval rating be then.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 11/26/2012 11:59:02 AM     (No. 9034354)

One of the lessons I learned from "Atlas Shrugged" was the importance of consent and approval to socialists/statists/communists. They´ll even beat you bloody to get you to say, "OK - love your ideas."

They love us to argue and fight with them because it gives them another opportunity to beat us bloody until we give in. And they don´t care how long it takes because whenever we engage them we give them credibility and power over us.

What they crave is consent, and in their warped minds arguing and engaging is consent. Don´t give them the time of day.

Wave them off with your hand in disgust. Laugh in their face. Walk away. Live your life and the hell with them.


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Reply 32 - Posted by: trackman999, 11/26/2012 12:19:03 PM     (No. 9034391)

during a recnet visit to my doc, i ws asked by the asst. If I had sex in the last 12 months. I told her it was none of her business. The doctor asked the same thing. I gave the same reply. The doctor said if I had answered " yes" the follow up queations were what type of birth control and protection did I use, and was the sex with women, men or both. Doctors no longer take notes, it all goes into an obamacare laptop.So much for doctor/patient privacy.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: LAW428, 11/26/2012 12:53:50 PM     (No. 9034450)

The United States Constitution is the supreme law of this Nation. No one in the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial branch of government has authority to violate the Constitution.

Obama is a self imposed dictator and should be removed from office. If only we had Representatives with the courage to be statesmen and not just two-bit politicians who love themselves more than America.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: jerseytomato, 11/26/2012 1:00:06 PM     (No. 9034457)

#10 - apparently, you haven´t read about the 4,000 new IRS agents hired to enforce Obamacare. Nevermind the thousands of rifles and hollow point bullets.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: mickturn, 11/26/2012 1:02:54 PM     (No. 9034462)

How does "I will not comply" work for you?

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Reply 36 - Posted by: mickturn, 11/26/2012 1:04:45 PM     (No. 9034467)

No I wait for the poster that will say I have to comply or else...

Get this, surrender is NO option...if all 50 Million who voted for Romney don´t comply it will be totally impossible for the Govt. to do us all in. We just refuse!

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Reply 37 - Posted by: WIBadger, 11/26/2012 1:43:09 PM     (No. 9034536)

#35 I can express the same sentiment in a less polite but more succint manner:

Shove it !

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Reply 38 - Posted by: jorgecito, 11/26/2012 2:09:09 PM     (No. 9034578)

#36 I guess you´re saying that we should (individually) refuse to pay the fine incurred by not obeying ObamaCare diktats.

But you do realize that the IRS will be empowered to garnish our wages or bank accounts, in order to steal that money from us?

You might be right that if millions of us refused to pay, we could slow down the IRS considerably. However I have to believe they´d get around to punishing all of us, eventually.

The best solution is for governors to engage in "passive resistance" ... which isn´t so passive after all. This strategy has the best chance of forcing ObamaCare to collapse under its own weight.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/26/2012 2:28:10 PM     (No. 9034626)

#38, good points. I was thinking that since all docs/hospitals ARE now tightly-tied to the government, you may be denied certain kinds of care if your name should find itself on some sort of "list" for nonpayment.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 11/26/2012 9:16:22 PM     (No. 9035128)

Kentucky, a red state with a blue governor (go figure), has set up its exchange. The ads are already on the radio. We are really doomed.

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I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No


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