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How red-state governors are
opening the doors to Obamacare

Politico, by Jonathan Allen

Original Article

Posted By:PageTurner, 11/18/2012 10:07:16 AM

Bobby Jindal’s got a funny way of showing how much he hates Obamacare and Washington bureaucracy: The Louisiana governor’s about to invite the feds to set up a health insurance exchange right in his backyard. So is Rick Perry in Texas. Ditto for John Kasich in Ohio. And Scott Walker in Wisconsin. These Republican governors, and more than a dozen others in red states around the country, have decided it’s better to have Obamacare forced on them than to legitimize it by setting up their own exchanges, even if that means empowering the federal government at the expense of the states.

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I am not sure which way they should go. It´s like one of Chavez´s rigged elections where the opposition is not sure whether to participate or not.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 11/18/2012 10:14:27 AM     (No. 9021859)

This is a classic lose-lose situation. It doesn´t matter what happens, we the citizens lose and the states lose. This is like the famous words uttered by the driver of a car about to be in a wreck, ´Hold my beer and watch this!´

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 11/18/2012 10:20:29 AM     (No. 9021868)

They are forcing the dems to OWN their despicable healthcare fiasco.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Northern Redman, 11/18/2012 10:21:56 AM     (No. 9021870)

The states should stay as far away from 0bamacare as possible. When it turns out to be the disaster that we all know it will be, they don´t want to have to share in any of the blame.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: FenwayFrank, 11/18/2012 10:22:26 AM     (No. 9021871)

There´s a method to the guvs´ madness. This bozo from Politico knows it, but would rather sow disinformation so he can get a chance to try our his knee pads at the next obama press conference.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jntsrgn, 11/18/2012 10:39:06 AM     (No. 9021895)

When obamacare collapses, and it will collapse, better to have the furor directed in the right location.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: horacer, 11/18/2012 10:39:23 AM     (No. 9021896)

It´s an expensive, complex operation that the states shouldn´t undertake. There are over 600 pages of federal regulation dealing with just the exchanges. This is the grandest shovel ready project ever for IT guys.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: youngtexan, 11/18/2012 10:46:04 AM     (No. 9021910)

Don´t believe a word from Politico. It´s the exact opposite, if the Red-state governors excepts Obamacare then it would go through quickly. Since they´re not accepting it, then I think it will be tough for Obamacare to go through. That´s just how I´m looking at it.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Proud2bninfidel, 11/18/2012 10:47:24 AM     (No. 9021912)

the reason, previously pointed out:

"Section 1311 of the ACA provides for premium subsidies to insurance companies in state exchanges only. No such funding mechanism exists for a federal exchange, leaving the feds unable to offer the billions of dollars of taxpayer-funded subsidies needed to purchase insurance company support"

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/the_achilles_heel_of_obamacare.html

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Namma, 11/18/2012 10:50:00 AM     (No. 9021918)

Gov.Kasich sent a letter to the fed.gov. that Ohio will retain all regulatory authority for Ohio;s Insurance industry and that we will retain control of Ohios Medicaid eligiblity detemination process.
His letter stated that Ohio will not operate a federally mandated exchange.
Ohio will not turn over to the fed.gov.the right to determine Medicaid and CHIP elegibility for its citizens
Ohio has no plans to run a state reinsurance program.
Ohio residence also voted to NOT participate in obamanotsomuchcare...


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Reply 10 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 11/18/2012 10:52:31 AM     (No. 9021923)

Bobby Jindal was just on Fox Sunday Morning and said as much. He is not wasting state dollars to set up something that is too expensive.

I live in Kentucky...I wish our numb-nuts governor were as smart...he´s another Obama loving mule. Governor Bashear is busy, busy, busy setting up our state exchange while we our state pensions are bleeding us dry, and we have a billion $ deficit in a state where the constitution does not allow it. Go figure.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Distorted, 11/18/2012 10:58:36 AM     (No. 9021930)

This idiot author writes like the Feds have any authority in law to set up a federal exchange for a state, or that SCOTUS did not take away the "or else" when a state refuses to jump to their command & control.

Do some reading, jerk, and report all of the facts.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Westie64, 11/18/2012 11:00:24 AM     (No. 9021935)

A writer from American Thinker explained these exchanges. Too much unknown for states to be signing on to a state exchange, and it´s going to be very expensive for them. No funds for a federal exchange so hopefully it will all collapse. Our governor didn´t sign on to a state exchange either, bless his heart!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Kanzan, 11/18/2012 11:12:59 AM     (No. 9021948)

As usual, Poltico is playing to its ignorant base. The feds want the states to be ´greeters´ only. Anything the state would try to include has to be approved at the fed level.
The populace will be able to see federal health care up close and personal. The feds will try, but there will be no way to blame these states for the mess that is being proposed. Although Politico will try.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: markinalpine, 11/18/2012 11:13:19 AM     (No. 9021949)

I noticed right away that the AP, you know, the A-- Press, was using the same meme when reporting the first Republican Governors refusing to accept obamadon´tcare, that they were not willing to "help" their citizens who don´t have health insurance to find health insurance.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: WayneDavis, 11/18/2012 11:15:25 AM     (No. 9021952)

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Animal Farm

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Reply 16 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 11/18/2012 11:26:55 AM     (No. 9021982)

Politico is not a reliable source. Read it, if you must, but do not get sucked into it.

Sounds as though this reminder came too late for some.

The hands off governors are doing the right thing. And they are not "opening the doors to Obamacare". They are letting O&Co own it. It will be - at least for a while. Let it be his.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: stablemoney, 11/18/2012 11:30:15 AM     (No. 9021994)

Red states have no interest in Obamacare. Why join the team?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: eoddad, 11/18/2012 11:31:52 AM     (No. 9021999)

Yea, the media would love to blame Republican Governors for a unpopular heath care system that will only get more unpopular with the paying half of taxpayers with time.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lil dotty, 11/18/2012 11:33:05 AM     (No. 9022004)

" have the furor directed in the right location. " Actually, the right location would be toward "Mein Fuher"
It collapses, but will it go down fast enough? These are Storm Troopers on the other side of the aisle. How much damage can they do? Enough to prevent our putting the pieces of Humpty Dumpty together again?



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Reply 20 - Posted by: mws50, 11/18/2012 11:41:17 AM     (No. 9022026)

If Texas is not involved, Texas citizens don´t have to be involved. If the feds get ridiculous (and we all know they will), Texas can pass a law exempting all Texas citizens from having to follow the federal mandate. Then we can see how strong the 10th amendment is.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Shelgeyr, 11/18/2012 11:52:10 AM     (No. 9022044)

Stupid Politico article, but then I repeat myself.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: retcpo, 11/18/2012 11:55:46 AM     (No. 9022048)

#8 has the correct answer, the Fed only allow the tax credit for STATE run HC exchanges. They would have to pass new provisions in Congress to allow for credit for Federal exchanges. That is not going to pass muster with Congress at this time. Also it is so clear why this was in the ACA to start with, even OBAMA is not going to overrule it with an Exec Order.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: busterman, 11/18/2012 12:06:08 PM     (No. 9022058)

He of the clan of perpetually oppressed, should have figured out by now, we´re not playing their game.

The first rule of dog fighting: Fight the way you want to fight, not the way your opponent wants you to fight. It´s what they´ve been doing to us. Time to turn the tables. To do this, we need a new team in Washington.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/18/2012 12:35:00 PM     (No. 9022122)

How will the millions and millions of jobless Obama voters buy health insurance through bureaucratic exchanges? Or rather, with what? Is Bernanke going to speed up the presses and print out more increasingly worthless dollars to pay for it? And wait till they die while waiting for 72 hours for a doctor to be available to see them .

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Burger, 11/18/2012 12:36:28 PM     (No. 9022124)

Leftists at the Politico are upset about an expansion of the fed? Unbelievable.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: SouthSanAntonio, 11/18/2012 12:40:46 PM     (No. 9022135)

Gee, Massa Allen, we is just a bunch of redneck hicks here in flyover country. We´s just ain´t understands all dat complicated lie-beral logics you just done esplained here.

I´s guess we just too busy holden on to ours guns and Bibles to understand all them high falutin words you been sayin. /sarcasm

Anybody else think that that is EXACTLY how Johathan Allen saw us as he wrote this??? It´s it amazing that all the states with Republican governors who refuse to participate in this state´s right suicide are the ones with the most booming economies and the freest people? When NØbamacare implodes (which will surely be caused by those evil redneck Republicans in Mr. Allen´s eyes), those same Republican states will have the least effect and will, as always, ride out the disaster in the best shape.

It´s so ´´cute´´ when lie-berlas try to be ´´logical´´. They fail every time, because their brains are incapable of truly understanting logic, reason or facts. But let them keep trying, and let any average 4th grader find all the holes hin their ´´arugments´´...

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Reply 27 - Posted by: DanvilleBill, 11/18/2012 12:49:32 PM     (No. 9022152)

There is not enough human competency in the HHS to write the Obamacare rules much less implement the system itself.

The end result will be utter chaos in our health care starting in 2014....if not before.

Good luck to the dem who wants to be president in 2016.


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Reply 28 - Posted by: frenesi1, 11/18/2012 12:52:03 PM     (No. 9022159)

Sounds to me like they are going to overwhelm the system.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 11/18/2012 12:56:26 PM     (No. 9022165)

Hmmm, who to believe? A liberal hack from Obama´s very own Pravda, or Jindal, Perry, and others?

This article was written as crib notes for the crew at Morning Joe, and at the other talking heads shows. This is their talking points.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: pearlyjo, 11/18/2012 1:04:07 PM     (No. 9022190)

The Feds (Congress & Executive) passed it, they can pay for it. If you want the states to pay for it, put it up for a popular vote among all Americans.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: proud2bninfidel, 11/18/2012 1:07:50 PM     (No. 9022197)

in addition, #22, i believe that under equal protection those citizens in states under federal exchanges (that can´t be funded)can´t be penalized by the IRS for not participating.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: roger h. cook,MD, 11/18/2012 1:08:13 PM     (No. 9022198)

Remember everyone this is wholy owned disaster froced on us by the democrats and Barry. Not one repulican in the house or senate voted for socialise medicine mess.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Rubinski, 11/18/2012 1:21:43 PM     (No. 9022216)

We are probably screwed in Colorado.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: shalimar, 11/18/2012 1:41:58 PM     (No. 9022246)

Do the governors really have a choice? They are faced with a lesser of evils situation and IMO are choosing the correct response.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 11/18/2012 2:30:57 PM     (No. 9022317)

Remember that crazy organization chart with all the intersecting lines that was Hillarycare? The chart for Obamacare is even worse plus the Supreme Court threw a big monkey wrench into the scheme as drawn when it ruled the feds can´t order the states to expand Medicaid.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/18/2012 3:14:45 PM     (No. 9022369)

Liberal lawmakers and governors want immediate gratification by taking Obama money and setting up the exchanges..They´ll have the federal rope around their neck for years to come.

There´s a sizable difference between a state exchange and if the feds come in and do it due to a stupid loophole in the law.

The states that have federal exchanges will be sucking jobs away for the stupid states that accept Obamacare.

The idiot writing this article is trying to troll republican governors into caving.Republicans and conservatives think long term and will stick to their guns.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/18/2012 3:39:57 PM     (No. 9022396)

Allen makes no sense.

But because he wants the governors to submit they clearly are doing exactly the right thing by resisting.

Apparently some oversights and/or drafting errors in the ObamaCare law have the feds frustrated. So they keep bullying the states to help them out.



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Reply 38 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 11/18/2012 3:41:04 PM     (No. 9022397)

As I understood it, the Feds can´t create the exchanges, only the states.

Does the regime expect the House to change that for them?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: cheeflo, 11/18/2012 4:03:14 PM     (No. 9022427)

Even if a state sets up an exchange, it´s the Feds who will call the shots -- the states won´t control the exchanges. Why legitimize the sham?

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