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Don’t write off the right quite yet
Tribune Media Services, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/14/2012 5:09:47 AM

The conservative Gotterdammerung is finally here. “Like dazed survivors in a ravaged city, America’s conservatives are wailing and beating their collective breasts,” opines an Economist columnist. Former Reaganite Rep. Vin Weber (R-Minn.) laments in the journal Policy Review, “I have never been so concerned about the future of conservative ideas.” William Kristol of The Weekly Standard concludes that the “conservative movement, which accomplished great things over the past quarter-century, is finished.” His magazine has dedicated an entire issue to the “conservative crack-up.”

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lydwho, 11/14/2012 5:53:50 AM     (No. 9012956)

Just wait 4 years until these kids realize that their liberal teachers were full of bull**** and they still can´t find a job.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Bjnealeigh, 11/14/2012 5:54:32 AM     (No. 9012958)

I think Bill Kristol is finished. His ideas float on the wind. He sides with whatever the going thing is, right now it looks like the liberal communists are in. I think the election was stolen. We have a lot of crooks in government. Their day is coming!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Mrs. Obelix, 11/14/2012 7:09:48 AM     (No. 9013064)

Jonah is right. Every loss is met this way. Whatever side loses, there are always pundits there to write obits. It took a bit more than 15 years for Reagan to go from the speech he gave for Goldwater to the presidency, and around 15 years for Newt Gingrich to go from a newly elected rep to speaker of the house after 40 years of democratic control. Things change.
Frankly, I don´t feel like fighting anymore either, I am bitter and disappointed. But we cannot just quit the field. We have to be there, play after play bushing back as hard as we can.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: capecodfox, 11/14/2012 7:19:45 AM     (No. 9013074)

I know it may not be the remedy, but I seem to be focussed on REVENGE.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Coy860, 11/14/2012 7:20:36 AM     (No. 9013077)

Perhaps Boehner and McConnell could hold a joint press conference (they can hold hands for support) and remind the People that for 6 years Obama has bad-mouthed the BUSH tax cuts as cuts for millionaires and billionaires. So, OK we are going to allow them to expire. Then point out how beneficial they were to middle class Americans and small businesses too, and to prepare for higher taxes. (We tried to explain this to the American People but they would not listen to us). Explain that Obama really wanted them to pay their "fair share" too. Obama said the BUSH tax cuts were bad. He won. Americans lost.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 11/14/2012 7:41:06 AM     (No. 9013133)

I have no intention of surrendering. It never occurred to me. I AM, however, still in my grieving period, but I´m moving rapidly toward #4´s preferred therapy.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: sagman, 11/14/2012 7:49:11 AM     (No. 9013153)

I also agree. Jonah is right. Funk over. Time to get back in the game.

Obama War Room: Tell Me Some Lies

OBAMA: So I said, ´´Whaddaya think, Mitt? Secretary of Business. Economy’s beginning to come back, and I need a turnaround guy like you to get it going the other way again so we can push for another stimulus.´´

[enter Secretaries of Defense and State]

LEON PANETTA: Sir! Sir! We just heard. . . .
OBAMA: Stop! Unless it’s about which schmo and his family I want taken out with a drone, I don’t want to know.
JOE BIDEN: People, do not put him in a position where he’s forced to delay a decision until the time to act has passed.
HILLARY: But Mr. President, China. . . .
OBAMA: [covers ears] Na na na na na na na na na. . . . [leaves]
BIDEN: Jeez, what’s so gawdawful important you couldn’t handle it yourselves?
PANETTA: A Chinese carrier group is cruising off Santa Monica.
HILLARY: The People’s Republic has declared the Pacific Ocean an extension of its territorial waters.
BIDEN: So? Let the U. N. handle it.
HILLARY: Apparently, one of Ming ruler Zhu Di’s exploration fleets traversed the ocean in 1428 and claimed it for the Emperor.
BIDEN: What could the Boss do about it anyway?
PANETTA: Stage a benefit for displaced Pacific islanders?
BIDEN: Betcha Chris Christie would appear.
HILLARY: [screaming] This isn’t about Springsteen!

[Enter president]

OBAMA: Crisis over yet? Yes or no? No particulars.
BIDEN: Sure, Chief. Jay, have the networks spike the story. National security concerns.
CARNEY I´ll get nailed at my briefing.
BIDEN: Just say: when the facts are in, the president will hold a presser and take hard questions. [snort]

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Reply 8 - Posted by: rational, 11/14/2012 8:04:01 AM     (No. 9013197)

yeah, the SAGMAN is back!!
funk over is right!!!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: skedaddle, 11/14/2012 8:13:02 AM     (No. 9013218)

I won´t go back into battle with the same team that´s been losing for years. Republicans need to get rid of all the Rove types, the RINOs and anyone too delicate to fight, fight, fight!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Rinktum, 11/14/2012 8:35:15 AM     (No. 9013272)

Conservative Americans are ready to fight and have been for some time. We have been the ones on the field. Most Republicans in Washington have ignored the Tea Party or openly ridiculed it. Thank goodness the American Revolution didn´t have to depend upon men who were afraid to stand on the principle of God given freedom. It is going to take real backbone to confront the progressives on both sides of the aisle. We need voices of opposition not appeasement. Freedom is not free. It has always required sacrifice. Fly your Gadsen flag. The progs need to see the opposition.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Me?Opinionated?Nah!, 11/14/2012 8:52:58 AM     (No. 9013320)

[covers ears] Na na na na na na na na na. . . . [leaves]

Thanks to Sagman, we now see (and hear) President Pinocchio’s typical contribution to our nation’s critical discourse best defined.



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Reply 12 - Posted by: geoguy, 11/14/2012 9:12:07 AM     (No. 9013385)

Poster #5, I think you have something there. Let them implement their Marxist ideas and let´s watch it all collapse.

Folks, I´ve given up a hundred times. Quit, zip, nada, zero...but, just like all you L´dotters I picked myself up (once again) and gave it one more try. It´s like a self inflicted torture, but that´s us. That´s what we do. That´s why we come to Lucianne.com.

All the people on this blog are successful people and I don´t mean in just in financial terms. We need to pool our talents and weave a strategy to reverse this Marxist takeover of our government.

Although my kids are all grown, I´ve decided it´s to go after the (socialist) government educational system. I have concluded that is the root of all our problems.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: pontique, 11/14/2012 9:33:22 AM     (No. 9013458)

#12 and others: we had 4 years to rebuke this administration and a small group of patriots sounded the alarm. But alas it all fell on deaf ears. Imagine, 40 states have submitted sesession petitions. What if those same 40 states submitted petitions declaring Obambi and illegial occupant of our White House? We cried, begged and submitted irrefutable evidence to the same and we were laughed at and riduculed. Told it couldn´t happen; well don´t we all wish now Obambi was out of office. Getting rid of him on Constitutional grounds would have restored the faith of the American people that this country truly is exceptional and are firmly rooted in the rule of law. What do we have now....a Marxist dictatorship to be. I cry for my country and will take up arms to defend it for my inheritors. God Bless America!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 11/14/2012 9:38:30 AM     (No. 9013468)

If it were just as simple as overcoming the people in power in Washington, that could be a challenge we could win, however, we are dealing with a new kind of welfare wanting American. The populace has changed. The so called melting pot has taken on too many tribes. I don´´t see combatting this flow.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: gobushcheneygo, 11/14/2012 9:45:16 AM     (No. 9013482)

I have to disagree. It doesn´t matter how many votes Republicans get in the future if the Democrats continue their massive voter fraud tactics. If machines can flip votes, if ballot boxes can be stuffed, if illegals can cast millions of votes, if voter fraud isn´t challenged state by state, it´s over.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/14/2012 9:45:40 AM     (No. 9013483)

I no longer listen to what Kristol says, and what´s more, I don´t like his manner and never have.

When the fox is guarding the henhouse, how can we have fair elections in this country?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 11/14/2012 9:47:32 AM     (No. 9013488)

# 1 My niece has been waitressing for two years since graduating from college.
Her degree in a very esoteric field has not proved practical in this environment for employment.
She still voted Obama ,
despite everything the rest of us did to try and convince her to vote Romney.
Many of the her generation think of Republicans as old fogeys with outdated ideas.
Tons of 14 year olds today will be voting in the next presidential election and many geriatric Republicans will have passed on.
By 2016 , we will have had 16 years of Democrat presidents
and only 8 with a Republican , with Bush
barely getting elected the first term.
We lost Senate and House seats last week.
The times they are a changin and not for the better
as far as national elections go.
Wish I could be as optimistic as Jonah .


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Reply 18 - Posted by: FlyRight, 11/14/2012 9:56:22 AM     (No. 9013507)

Thank you, Jonah. You are either in or you are out in this world and those who straggle along just get in the way. Stay in the game, fight. And don´t let certain publications that merely want your subscription money get away with alarmist fictions.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: LAW428, 11/14/2012 9:56:26 AM     (No. 9013508)

#12 is correct. We´ve had decades of dumbed down socialist education of our young who no longer think there´s anything exceptional about America and have no understanding of Founding. This has Communism written all over it.



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Reply 20 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/14/2012 10:00:01 AM     (No. 9013520)

Bravo, Jonah! Well said, well written.

#14 - The problem is that the Great American Melting Pot was taken off the stove in the Sixties, and chilled solid by the poisonous Commie battle cry, "Diversity!" Now we have great chunks of the populace who proudly and loudly refuse to assimilate to create a whole new people, AMERICANS, as we were doing before. Now these good people are Hispanics, Muslims, Blacks, whatever above all and before all, adamantly opposed to assimilating (except on their terms exclusively.)

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Reply 21 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 11/14/2012 10:06:03 AM     (No. 9013540)

Stay funking, folks. It´s over.

And JFK set the parameters in his only Inauguration speech on Friday, 20 January 1961, at 13 p.m. (ET) when he famously said:

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

In 2012, the new Democrats (and other takers) were the party of the first part. Those who cared more for their country were the party of the second part.

The second part lost.

Peace, Jonah, et al., but it ain´t gonna get any better.

We didn´t just lose an election, we (long ago) lost our schools, our courts, our media, and our spines. Get used to being enslaved, folks. You asked for it.

Under Islam, the choices for us are convert, be subjugated, or die.

Under Obama regime rule, the choices are exactly the same. Convert to being a taker. Be subjugated by subsidizing the takers. And the third is interesting...

"Dulce et decorum est pro [libertas] mori" --- Wilfred Owen [Edited]

It is sweet and proper to die for liberty.


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Reply 22 - Posted by: BetseyRoss, 11/14/2012 10:11:00 AM     (No. 9013556)

Honest elections. Why can´t we get them investigated? It´s been this way for ages and it was 10 worse this time.

I am pretty sick of Republicans. They cannot fight, they will not fight, they don´t know how to fight. It seems like I have been on the losing team for too long. As Sarah said, it´s time to not only change the team, but the uniforms. OK, I´m ready. Where do I sign up?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: TEACHER, 11/14/2012 10:21:44 AM     (No. 9013596)

When the well runs dry, they will migrate to OUR Turf. FEMA has converted more voters to the Conservative Party than all the advertisements this year. Red Cross and AARP are losing credibility. O´ Bamacare will create more conservatives and less doctors. Time will heal our Country. If we have time.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Hermoine, 11/14/2012 10:36:37 AM     (No. 9013658)

I think Jonah´s spot on, but I also think while we were building a few conservative pubs, think tanks and media outlets, the left was building, as David Horowitz would put it, a Leviathan by stitching together an incestuous network of left-wing "non-profits", think-tanks, universities, media outlets and lawyer organizations.

We have to start building and building fast or we´re always going to be playing catch up to the corrupt thugs that now OWN the pop culture of this country.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Pepper Tree, 11/14/2012 10:49:50 AM     (No. 9013709)

I hate the idea of sessesion. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence are mine as much as they were my great grandfather´s. I don´t want to give them up and start over.

But if you wanna talk to me about kicking out coastal California, eh, Mossachoosits, Noo Yawk, Noo Joisey, Michigan, Southern Fla. Chicago, Philthadelphia and the other parasitic enclaves, I´m all ears.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: previouslyon24, 11/14/2012 11:30:08 AM     (No. 9013807)

I´m four years´ tired of fighting the national scene. I´ve concluded that national gov´t will be irrelevant because it´s inevitably bankrupt, so I´m preparing as best I can. I´m recently elected to our local school board, and arguing for independence and a stop to taking the drugs of grants provided incessantly by the state and feds. WA somehow just passed a charter school measure that the teacher unions opposed. Public school boards can form one. Local control over more and more of our fate is what I´m fighting these days. We all need to do that, and build to national from there.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: stablemoney, 11/14/2012 11:41:26 AM     (No. 9013841)

Initially, there is depression, but anger soon follows, and with it a deepening determination to fight.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: ChazzPalm, 11/14/2012 11:54:42 AM     (No. 9013887)

There is a tipping point.
The government unions, Academia and the MSM have been working hand-in-hand for well over 50 years, using the Alinsky playbook---see the SEIU, the Caesar Chavez Farm Workers movement and the election and re-election of Barack Hussein Obama.
We have likely gone over the tipping point---I believe it will be seen retrospectively to prove it, much like the frog being boiled 1 degree at a time.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Strongwill, 11/14/2012 2:04:00 PM     (No. 9014237)

Being in Oregon is kinda tough right now. It´s beautiful country and I love it here but scared for my sons futures. And mine for that matter, just waiting for the union to start trying to punish members who dont agree with them and then how would I support my family ? There are not to many jobs right now so I´m kinda stuck but sure I´m not alone.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: philemon1967, 11/14/2012 5:21:19 PM     (No. 9014675)

I´m sorry if I don´t share your optimism.

Democracy in the United States is dead and the US is henceforth ruled by a single party system.
The republicans should stop contesting from now on...

unless you fix the voter registration & identification plus ensure that all voting machines are not tampered with & election monitors are not chased away from polling stations. And ensure ethical GOTV operations.

Otherwise, don´t bother. Democrats will always win.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 11/14/2012 5:30:51 PM     (No. 9014696)

9 is right. In

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 11/14/2012 5:34:33 PM     (No. 9014702)

In middle America, they are called Blue Dog Democrats. Here in the PNW, they are called Republicans (Massachusetts too). As long as they are voting like Democrats, we might as well vote for Democrats.

The GOP is Irrecoverable. This last election has made them extinct, or at least well on their way there. What Conservative third party will rise in its stead?

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Reply 33 - Posted by: badrad, 11/14/2012 6:52:24 PM     (No. 9014822)

Thanks, we needed that as some wail, and/or rage, but wailing in itself is gathering the adrenaline for another effort? I haven´t heard any whimpering. A little whining ala Kristol?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: pearlyjo, 11/14/2012 8:55:21 PM     (No. 9015026)

If we believe, as I do, that the election was stolen from us last week, doesn´t that mean we won? Doesn´t that mean our message did resonate with the majority of voters? Isn´t that kind of a good sign?

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Reply 35 - Posted by: FormerDem, 11/14/2012 9:14:13 PM     (No. 9015051)

Yeah, I agree with Jonah. There is not one single thing the Donks can do that we cannot later undo - this is a real democracy. They reorganize the govt, we re-re-organize it. They stack the Court, we stack it higher. They woo the Latinos, we woo them back. Let us remember that Martin Luther King was a Republican, and not give up on African-Americans either. We can do all these things.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: get er done, 11/14/2012 10:21:04 PM     (No. 9015124)

Start by attacking the wallets of the left as they are attacking the wallets of the so- called "rich." Form a list of conservative business owners, both national and by state, and do your level best to patronize the conservatives first.

We are fighting a war, as our forefathers did in the Revolution, and in other major conflicts such as World Wars I and II. The enemies are within our country this time. We can and will win this battle to preserve our nation. The first shots have been fired, by "American" weapons, at American citizens, at Benghazi. In truth, other shots were fired before, at our slain border agents, at Andrew Breitbart. The enemy takes aim at American generals now, and at our military by denying them the vote in the recent election.

While "These are the times that try mens´ souls, we have the great advantage of not being soul-less.



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Reply 37 - Posted by: navyjag907, 11/14/2012 11:05:51 PM     (No. 9015172)

I´ll be saving some money by not renewing the Weekly Standard (no sense in subsidizing a coward like Kristol) and time by not listening to Hannity who´s also a coward.//My grieving is over. I´m in the angry, war planning, logistical preparation phase (bought six US Army surplus like new sleeping bags for $200 tonight).//If you spend $200-300 per month over a period of time having done your research and watching the sales, it´s amazing how much prepping you can do.//With enough good men and women, it´s certainly not over.

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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

´America´s royal baby´: How Chelsea´s first
child could give Hillary Clinton a boost in
the polls if she runs for president in 2016

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Jessica Jerreat    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/19/2014 7:12:10 PM     Post Reply
For Hillary Clinton, having her own baby grandchild to kiss on the campaign trail, could be one of the biggest boosts to her possible presidential election campaign. Although the former Secretary of State and First Lady has not said if she will run in 2016, the arrival of her first grandchild will soften her image, analysts have said. While Chelsea only revealed her pregnancy on Thursday, supporters of her mother have already started cooing over a possible baby in the White House. With the Clintons having a near-royal status in the U.S., the announcement of a new arrival due this fall has sent

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after


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