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Petitions to secede are filed
for 23 states since election

Washington Times, by Valerie Richardson

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Posted By:Drive, 11/13/2012 3:54:05 PM

DENVER — It’s traditional for Americans to threaten to move to France or Canada when their candidate loses, but this year some disappointed voters are implementing a different plan. In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the White House website, https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 11/13/2012 3:59:39 PM     (No. 9011944)

The number is up to 30.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: graniteman2009, 11/13/2012 4:06:00 PM     (No. 9011958)

This is going to get real ugly....

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Reply 3 - Posted by: forward, 11/13/2012 4:06:32 PM     (No. 9011960)

Well that´s one way for Obama to unify the nation. Or what´s left of it after the red states leave.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Garage Logician, 11/13/2012 4:07:19 PM     (No. 9011964)

Only Texas has the right to secede.

14th amendment, anyone?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: KingBubo, 11/13/2012 4:20:40 PM     (No. 9011993)

Yes, going to France or Canada will be much better. Don´t let the door hit you

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 11/13/2012 4:28:00 PM     (No. 9012006)

Petition? Like asking permission of the Federal Government?

JUST DO IT.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dcomd, 11/13/2012 4:29:30 PM     (No. 9012007)

#4: Have a constitutional convention and change it; amendments can be repealed.

18th amendment anyone?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: SouthSanAntonio, 11/13/2012 4:35:42 PM     (No. 9012021)

I signed the one for Texas.

I don´t really want to secede, but I sure as Hell want NØbama to get the message that we the people are not happy and that he doesn´t have a mandate to complete his destruction of this country.

This doesn´t really accomplish anything, because all he has to do is say ´´no´´. But it is an embarrasment to the new messiah that thinks everyone just adores him.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Bettysez, 11/13/2012 4:38:04 PM     (No. 9012029)

We need to amend the Constitution so that we can have Free & Federal states. Free states are still part of the Union, pay a share of what the Constitution is responsible for--roads, military, etc, but otherwise are free to run their States as they please w/out any mandates and interference from the govt. Federal states can stay with DC rules, regulations & restrictions.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: coldborezero, 11/13/2012 4:38:13 PM     (No. 9012031)

Right to secede? Right to secede?! You must be kidding. Who would grant this right to secede, the Federal Government? No, no, no, there is no legal right to secede. The founding fathers did not have a legal right to secede from the British Empire. They broke the law! They were clearly guilty of treason against the British Crown. They did not ask the Crown for permission to leave. Rather, they informed the Crown and the world that they were going "to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...". And then they did it. To hell with legalities; it is time to leave.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: RancherJack, 11/13/2012 4:40:07 PM     (No. 9012036)

“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world”.
Abraham Lincoln – U.S. Congress, 1847

A little over 10 years later after the South attempted precisely that, Lincoln, when asked, “Why not let the South go in peace”? replied; “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government”? “And, what then will become of my tariff”?
Abraham Lincoln to Virginia Compromise Delegation March 1861

“When the South raised its sword against the Union’s Flag, it was in defense of the Union’s Constitution.”
Confederate General John B. Gordon

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Reply 12 - Posted by: FunOne, 11/13/2012 4:40:13 PM     (No. 9012037)

There is nothing in the Constitution of the US that addresses a state´s desire to secede or opt out of the Union of the United States.

The last significant attempt to do this by the Southern states began by legislation by the individual states. But, as we know, Lincoln´s will (not the Constitution) was to use federal troops to force those states to remain.

This could get interesting.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/13/2012 5:10:58 PM     (No. 9012102)

23? lol.

When it gets to 57 it still won´t matter. The people can petition. And the state governments can petition.

Washington won´t care.

Call for a constitutional convention. You will find that Washington will somehow derail that too.

You gd peasants better shut up.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: AntiStatist, 11/13/2012 5:13:44 PM     (No. 9012103)

I am all for it.

Let the blue states form their federation so that they can keep their unions fed, their governments rapacious, and their parasites there.

Let the red states use low taxes and the aversion to unions to prosperous effect.

I suspect that about 3 years of that and the red states will have to build walls to keep the mass migration of blues (and their obnoxious politics) out.



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Reply 15 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 11/13/2012 5:16:17 PM     (No. 9012110)

Texans are the only ones who harbor the notion that they were already a country when they joined the union by treaty and have an extraction clause in the agreement.
It may not be true but it becomes true if enough Texans believe it.
False hope is better than no hope.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: navybrat, 11/13/2012 5:25:56 PM     (No. 9012130)

Signing the petition will send a message even if nothing comes of it. Obama did not win a mandate. The congress is still the same. They can and should exercise some power and not be so weak and timid. Dems never back down even when the lose.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 11/13/2012 5:31:12 PM     (No. 9012138)

13 colonies formed the United States all other states except Texas were either purchased or annexed.Most the annexed were stripped of their lands such as Idaho where 66% of the lands were owned by the federal gov. before the latest land protection grabs--now who knows?
Texas having won a war with Mexico was a free nation that voted to join the union on their terms including the right to leave if it didn´t work out.
Don´t jump into a constitutional session because the result could be the loss of all states rights. If not lost to world government the result could be a nation returned to House of Lords and peons and no Bill of Individual Rights plus a Prime
Minister and no Bill of Rights.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: peasantnumberthree, 11/13/2012 5:41:59 PM     (No. 9012169)

The White House is striking back: they´ve got a petition of their own asking that Obama sign an Executive Order to strip anybody who signed a secessionist petition of their American citizenship and deport them immediately.

Maybe that´s why Obama set up those regional ´detention centers´ a year ago and what all those bullets he purchased are for...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 11/13/2012 6:25:22 PM     (No. 9012253)

Hey #19 I live in Northern Cali in Butte County which is a RED county...dont be so quick to throw out the baby with the bath water!!! You think I like Moonbeam? Or Pelousy? Or Boxer? Or Feinstein? Or the teachers unions? Huh? THINK about that before you make those sweeping ASSumptions! I´ll stay and fight, but I aint moving!

Semper Paratus
TanSonNhut 1968

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Reply 20 - Posted by: penelopewaits, 11/13/2012 6:41:40 PM     (No. 9012289)

The White House is planning to deport the signers? Really? Deport them where? Mexico? They´ll just walk back in and get free stuff and free college tuition and free health care. Hmmm...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: JohnDRockefeller, 11/13/2012 6:47:13 PM     (No. 9012298)

#18 Source?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/13/2012 7:09:30 PM     (No. 9012326)

27 States are challenging the Obamacare law and it´s making its way to the SC. We only need 7 more States to make call for a Constitutional Convention. This would mean we could eradicate 60 years of Socialism and Marxist experimentation from our 51st State, the DC based Federal Government.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver, 11/13/2012 7:11:17 PM     (No. 9012330)

Where do I sign up if I happen to live in the wrong state?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: texaspast, 11/13/2012 7:13:55 PM     (No. 9012335)

Well, at this point the Texas petition has about 85,000 signers.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: gagolfer, 11/13/2012 7:42:20 PM     (No. 9012403)

Tilting at windmills and looking foolish.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: yuban, 11/13/2012 7:43:20 PM     (No. 9012405)

I signed for my State, well knowing it will not happen. It is not "silly" to do something more than just complain.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: hamrman, 11/13/2012 7:45:59 PM     (No. 9012409)

Let the games begin...

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Reply 28 - Posted by: snowcloud, 11/13/2012 7:49:32 PM     (No. 9012413)

There is now a petition to deport all those who signed petitions to secede. Sounds good to me. If we are deported that eliminates the need for passports! Good deal! Deport me! Please! I´ll go to either Canada or Scotland.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 11/13/2012 7:51:44 PM     (No. 9012419)

Although I support your right to seceede from our union, I don´t think submitting your name and Email address to a government website asking for permission to seceede is the right way to go.

Your may find your nsme on a no-fly list.

The way to go will inevitably lead to another civil War.

Food for thought, The IRS and DHS have ordered 4 billion rounds of ammunition.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: nonsense, 11/13/2012 7:54:56 PM     (No. 9012425)

When can we expect the Messiah to heal the Union?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: hpk1942, 11/13/2012 7:55:04 PM     (No. 9012426)

This is such a non story, the "States" are not petitioning the government. I, personally, sould never put my name on anything the Whitehouse is involved in. This petition is on the Whitehouse website.

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