A score of people this past week have asked me about the three million Republicans allegedly "missing" at the polls this year. For starters, if the Washington Post is to be believed, Mitt Romney received 1.3 million fewer votes than John McCain did in 2008, not 3 million. For the record, Obama received 7.5 million fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008. More than 1.1 million of the Republican votes were "lost" in California. It is not that California Republicans turned against Romney. His percentage of the vote was higher than McCain´s in 2008.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Johnny Angle, 11/12/2012 7:40:03 AM (No. 9008420)
What will the Republican leadership do to combat this fraud? Nothing. What did they do about the patently biased debate moderators? Nothing; if they had, fat-mouth Fats Crawley would not have been there.
Did Jack´s article get truncated? There is no conclusion to his article - he´s way too good a writer to just leave us hanging.
If the short article is it, I do think he has a point about states where Republicans are so outnumbered. However, New York state has some Republican Representatives as does California. Just remember Darrell Issa is from California and Peter King is from New York. I can´t imagine they would have been returned to Congress but people in their Districts voted for Obama - that doesn´t make sense.
What makes the most sense is that the voting machines were programmed to flip just so many votes so as to not set off any alarm bells. Sorry, you are not going to convince me that the criminals - Valerie Jarrett, Axelrod, Plouff, Messina, and Cutter, didn´t have a maniacal master plan. First they had to show the polls as being very close and could go either way. When it went to Obama, no one would think too much about it - just that Romney fought the good fight but couldn´t convince enough voters to toss out Obama.
I think a lot of registered republicans went independent in recent years after getting fed up with the party. Also, they could lose more after this election no small part to the robo calls that hit my phone 8-10 times a day.
I live in a totally Democrat enclave. I often feel my trip to the polls is completely wasted, because I am outnumbered 20 to 1.
When I voted early this year, I noticed that nearly half of all the voters in line were black -- no shortage of enthusiasm here.
The dozens of political phone calls I received each day were enough to make me want to unplug my land-line (as several of my friends have). There is something about receiving a plethora of such calls that tends to dull any interest in voting.
While I was eventually convinced to vote for Mr. Romney (after repeatedly swearing I would not), there may well have been many potential Republican voters who simply were unable to pull the lever for a New England moderate.
Until the Repubs decide to fix the voter fraud and the States go through the voter list and toss out the fake ones.. nothing will change. The States are the ones who have to fix the dang system and we need to get this early voting under control. Laziness should not be rewarded.. We get a big push about 90 days before the next election to make them look like they are doing something, but it is always too little too late with the Repubs. Now they want to drag out the sack clothes and ashes...Fools..
The government plantation´s foundation was laid by Woodrow Wilson. The frame was erected by FDR. Clinton shingled the roof and Obama is providing the furnishings. To be fair, Bush I and II hung some drywall.
It is not up to anyone else to fix the fraud. Why are we waiting on government and particularly political parties to fix this? It is our election process. Get your voter list, look up your property and tax rolls. Cross reference them, submit challenges to the ones who registered to vacant land, pay taxes but do not reside in the district, have died, are registered multiple times. Someone with the skills/talent could design and implement a process for cross referencing across districts and states to prevent the casting of multiple votes by one person. Read your states election law, volunteer to work the polls, be a poll watcher, run for secretary of state, board of elections, etc. Identify and work to change those areas of your state election law to remove the opportunity for fraud, i.e. early voting. Get your friends and neighbors registered. Educate them. Pick something, anything and move on it. Quit waiting for someone else to do it.
There are maps that break down the red and green by smaller areas. It is just that a large city can outnumber a whole rural region and turn a whole state reliably democrat. There is something about people who flock into cities because they are less self reliant and inclined to depend on others. Population density co-relates with political attitudes.
I don´t think Romney´s loss in Ohio and Pennsylvania was due to his Mormonism at all. I am a Christian who is very clear about the doctrines of my faith, but my husband and I had voting day circled and went to the polls together to vote for the straight Republican ticket here in PA. And, the results of voter turnout in our rural county, where we had poll watchers, was the one of the highest on record for Republican voters. I don´t believe we were an anomaly in PA.
I think this author was describing why we can write off CA and even NY, but that the results in OH and PA are suspect. And yes, it seems as though the article was truncated. Better check to be sure he is OK.
I did not get even one robo call here in Kentucky. I saw no TV commercials. If Romney had one to one interviews anywhere on TV, I must have missed it. Did anybody come to my community? If they did, I missed it. If I hadn´t been making the effort to follow the election on FOX, I wouldn´t have known it was happening. This includes the primary. Combine this with people getting TOO many robocalls, add in the vote fraud and the leftwing litany in the popular media and you´ve got your 3 million.
Romney wasn´t my first choice and I DID vote even though I´m outnumbered 6 to 1 in my precinct. But I´m pretty motivated. I must confess I sat out the primary, though. What was the point?
I don´t buy the anti-Mormom idea either. Romney did better than McCain in almost every state (I think NJ and NY were the only states where ´O´ did better. In some counties in Oklahoma, not exactly a Mormom stronghold, Romney got 90% of the vote.
There are articles all over the internet about how easy it is to change electronic votes and then have self-destruction of the code that did the changing. The Democrats didn´t have to do it in every district - just in certain key areas of the swing states.
All the tweaking of message and improvement of get-out-the-vote systems isn´t going to fix the problem if they can just switch our votes as soon as they are cast. And the evidence is, just from the fact that Obama can´t fill a venue anymore, they can manufacture exactly as many votes as they need to win any election they choose.
The Democrat coalition of blacks, Hispanics, Asians, gays, illegals, and single women will be tough to beat even if we succeed in ferreting out all the voter fraud (including the abuse of early voting and vote by mail). Women in particular seem to be locked in on the primacy of lady parts issues above everything else. Big government has become their baby daddy. And when it comes to government, for them, size matters.
I absolutely agree with those posters that say electronic voting can be changed without anyone knowing it. Just program every 1,000th vote let´s say, to change to Obama in those key swing states. And we saw evidence of that with people voting early saying they voted for Romney but it changed to Obama.
As long as the MSM couldn´t care less about voter fraud because it happens to Republicans, and as long as our Republican so-called "leadership" is unwilling to confront this issue head on for fear of being labeled crazies, then we will have more coups as we have seen in this election. I believe more than ever this election was stolen. Every pollster was wrong? Seasoned, experienced pollsters ALL used the wrong premises about voter turnout? All pollsters whose reputations and livelihoods are at stake, made these same mistakes? I don´t think so. This election was stolen, pure and simple.
I have bad news for all the ladies voting with their lady parts. Because of the Grizwold v Connecticut decision the right to Abortion is locked in and Romney could not have changed that even if he wanted to - and he never showed any inclination to do so. You elected a closet Muslim who caters to CAIR a muslim group which has the declared purpose of replacing the constitution with Sharia Law. Do you think that will never happen? Obama is shredding the constitution every day and having the CAIR gang over for Ramadan parties all the time. I would rate this far more likely than any restriction on "reproductive freedom" If you keep this up your lady parts may well be subjected to FGM...which is not a pleasant experience. You can read all about it in the book "Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I have no sympathy for an Obama supporter when this happens but I do have sympathy for many others who will suffer the same consequences despite their heroic efforts to prevent this tragedy.
Referring to New Mexico´s blue voter rolls, I´d like to remind outsiders that New Mexico voted twice for a Republican Governor, Gary Johnson, who ran as a fiscal conservative (balanced the budget and used his veto more than 700 times), and a social liberal (backed marijuana legalization and openly supported gay marriage). He also got a million votes against socialist Obama and fiscal moderate, social conservative Romney.
#25, its a big if, but IF Sharia law were to be put in place of the constitution, those women who voted with their "lady parts" are gonna be wishing they had their short skirts and opportunity back when the burquas are issued out!
I just checked. MSNBC called the election for Obama at 8:15 - because of the Ohio vote. So 8:15 p.m. in Ohio is 7:15 in the CST states, 6:15 further west and in California, it was 5:15, yet it was called for Obama. Am I alone in trying to figure this out!
We live in Cincinnati OH. Most of the southwest corner of OH went to Romney except for Cincy itself and the neighborhoods closest to it. We had friends who worked at the polls. No picture ID is required. If you have a photo, fine, if not, an electric bill will do. A tall, well dressed black man came in with no photo ID. No license? No ID? But his electric bill with the name Veronica was produced as ID and he had to be allowed to vote. No one can convince me that the early voting, the busloads of Somali residents, from Columbus, all citizens? - not speaking English, who were bussed in to vote did not constitute voter fraud.
I totally agree about those electronic touch screens. How can anyone audit them after the fact, there´s nothing but digital code. 111010010 101010100 101010101 is not an audit trail! Electronic scanned ballot images are much more accurate and can be audited. That is what my district used in upstate NY. Simple, clean, and there is a trail.
Far to easy to fool electronic voting. #37 is right. With no audit trail except to tally the number of people who signed the registry against the number of whole ballots cast, I could easily enter a program to ignore votes for Romney without the need to bump up Obeyme´s votes. It would just look like I didn´t vote for President. Who could tell?
One thing we may need to guard against is the use of the "stab in the back" mythology, which the Germans adopted to explain their defeat in WWI. We can, if not careful, be beguiled into thinking this because the theft theory provides a degree of comfort. I believe the bitter truth is that we are living in a tattooed, unthinking and illiterate culture, which values ignorance under the guise of sophistication, and indifference as the hip cynicism for these folks.
If they could control the results with undetectable massive voter fraud in every swing state -- then why can´t they do it in 2014 and 2016. If they can control the results from now on -- why is no one saying they have overthrown-the-country? Shh. They have overthrown the country. Shh.
Glad to see Allen West fighting the fraud. Just take Ohio as an example. The lines were around the block in small communities like Defiance and Van Wert. The exit polls were huge for Romney. Then the results came back and surprise but the President had precincts that exits were dominate the other way. Something is really evil.
Lucianne´s caption under the MUST READ is exactly right. In NC where I live, I personally know of people whose votes via machine registered as votes for Obama when they voted for Romney. One friend said she tried 3x on the same machine with a poll-attendant watching as her vote flipped to Obama. She said the poll attendant said to "use another machine while we check this one out". Right.
Multiply that all over the country, prepared in advance thanks to ACORN workers and other since O´s last election and you have a simple answer to why Romney lost. Too many voters simply assumed the machine cast their vote for Romney when it did no such thing.
OPEN LETTER TO GOP: Why don´t you ask people who had similar experiences to contact you? Or contact the ACLJ or some other heavy-duty advocacy group? Do we just allow this election to get stolen?
Something is starting to smell really, really bad. It´s just too outlandish that we lost in those States when the stats were going our way.
And then, ponder this: From the moment O was elected in ´08, preparations to steal the ´12 election began. That´s a LOT of time to fix machines, ballots, etc.
Voter fraud has been around since voting. Our last free election was, I believe, 2004. Spongebob voting in 08´ was just a preview to this election. When I heard that Romney votes were being flipped for Obama in early voting, I knew we were in deep trouble.
What I don´t understand is why Romney and the GOP did NOT implement a strategy beforehand to put some daylight in those voting areas where fraud did the most damage. They could have done something, they had the resources and the power to stop this. Brietbart was everywhere...why didn´t they use him? Where were the hidden cameras, the attorneys? the police? The republic did their duty...everyone turned out and WITH enthusiasm. There is no explanation other than fraud.
That the ignorant and greedy wanted more of Obama, there is no doubt they voted. But I do not for one second believe they outnumbered those who´s lives and livelihoods were at stake.
Reply 46 - Posted by:
get er done, 11/12/2012 12:57:50 PM (No. 9009114)
The evidence of fraud should be presented to the members of the Electoral College. If the Romney pledged members withhold their vote, that would show the invalidity of this fraudulent election. I doubt that leftist members give a damn, however, not all are pledged to vote for 0.
The Congress still has to validate the election. For starters, Allen West should stand in Congress and object to Congress validating the Electoral College vote and present the Congress with evidence of the fraud in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and other states.
The very determined Allen West has noticed irregularities in the Florida vote, especially in one of his counties. I hope he stays on this like a junkyard dog. I put absolutely nothing beyond the Dems and Obama Inc to do to win an election. Obama´s electoral history shows his preference to eliminate opponents before his elections, but if his work needs to be done during the election, so be it, IMO. Ironically, in Russia of all places, on that hot mike, he spoke so confidently to Medvedev of his coming victory. He knew he had it in the bag.
When Mitt was reportedly shellshocked at the result that he lost, you can tell he knew he´d been had. When is the GOP going to learn to fight dirty! I even managed to convert my liberal leaning young adult kids to vote for Romney and it didn´t matter.
#49 (cont.) We must return to... Election Day! - Paper ballots - No machines - Minimal, absolutely necessary absentee voting - No Early Voting. Early voting allows the Dems to work it like Card Check, working their lists, turning disinterested and uniformed voters into actual voters.
I am never troubled by low voter turn out which often happens in local elections. I figure those with the knowledge and the interest are voting.
This doesn´t make sense. The Republican Party/Conservatives were highly, highly motivated. Look at the difference in the crowds between huge Romney rallies in Ohio and Penn. vs small 0bama rallies, even with the likes of Stevie Wonder, in the waning days of the campaign. The college age kids were bummed out and showed no motivation to go vote much less vote for 0bama.
Now we are told that the Republican turn out was less than in 2008? No f´ing way. This is screwy.
Then I read that something like 100+ precincts in Ohio were >99% for 0bama and I heard there were similar results in Philadelphia. No fraud here. /s
I believe the country should have a unified method of voting. Whichever system is least prone to fraud should be refined and adopted nation wide. Many seem to think the paper ballot with its paper trail is the right way to go. I also beleive the precious gift of the vote is wasted on a large percentage of woefully ignorant people. Why not mandate a simple intelligence test of political awareness? It is essential that a voter speaks and understands English. Voter ID is imperative. No same day voter registration or provisional voting allowed. Registration cut off date a minimum of six weeks before election day. No early voting anywhere except from our servicemen and women posted abroad. Lastly I believe the Republican party is no longer worthy of being the alternative to the Socialists.They need to get out of the way and let the reformers take the reins.
fta: results in several states do raise eyebrows, most notably Ohio and Pennsylvania. Romney received nearly 100,000 fewer votes than McCain in the former and 35,000 fewer votes in the latter. In all the other battleground states, Romney improved...
That is enough to launch a Federal investigation into these two states & Florida. Somebody needs to step up with a class-action law suit. Who will do it? Will our House of Representatives do it for us? Somebody -- who? How? Lets git ´er done!
I´ve been pointing to the fraud since Black Wednesday. Here´s a quick way to jumpstart the investigation: Donald Trump can offer a hefty reward for evidence of voter fraud. The Donald gets himself back in the headlines and we get the confirmation we need. Win/win.
To amplify the sentiments of poster #46, and similar posts, I´m forced to paraphrase a classic observation attributed to Sir Edmund Burke: all that is needed for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
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