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How a Beach Community
Became a Deathtrap

New York Times, by Kirk Semple & Joseph Goldstein

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 11/12/2012 5:09:11 AM

Eugene Contrubis heard the many warnings about Hurricane Sandy but decided to ride it out in his drafty, one-story bungalow at 162 Kiswick Street, near the beach on Staten Island. Soft-spoken and frail, he was a retired Police Department clerk who wrote poetry, enjoyed chess and adored his nieces.(Snip)Mr. Contrubis’s parents bought the bungalow at 162 Kiswick Street in the 1960s as a summer cottage. At the time, they lived in Manhattan, but Mr. Contrubis’s mother loved the beach and she eventually moved to Staten Island full time.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: mickeymat, 11/12/2012 7:18:43 AM     (No. 9008396)

Definitely Bush´s fault. The difference between media treatment of Katrina and Sandy is pretty disturbing.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: msjena, 11/12/2012 8:01:26 AM     (No. 9008450)

Sandy is much more devastating than Katrina was. This is not to diminish the impact of Katrina, but much more was done to relocate people (to Houston, for instance) or find them temporary housing (the FEMA trailers) and give them money (those credit cards that some used for luxury purses, etc.). There were far fewer deaths in Katrina. The victims didn´t have to suffer weeks without power in cold weather like some in New York or New Jersey do.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: LadyVet, 11/12/2012 8:17:48 AM     (No. 9008469)

I´m not sure where #2 gets information, but Katrina left over 1,800 people dead according to the official count with a much higher death rate in the months following the storm which caused some to put the deaths in excess of 4,000 as an indirect cause of the storm. Fortunately, Katrina weakened from a Category 5 to a Category 3 storm before it made landfall.

I think the official death toll of Sandy is less than 100 people.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: GardenGal, 11/12/2012 8:27:58 AM     (No. 9008487)

Anyone who lives on an island should know whether there is a mandatory evacuation. This storm was predictable (Storm surge, high tide, October ((high tides in Mar and OCt are the highest))). Everyone needs to educate themselves and protect themselves, and try to do the same for relatives and friends. But it is hard to convince those who are wrong headedly thinking they know it all- witness the election.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 11/12/2012 8:28:09 AM     (No. 9008488)

Oh spare me - this hackneyed piece with all the backstories would embarrass John Grisham.

A summary: people who lived on the coast ignored evacuation warnings as they had done in the past and this time their number was up.

Other stubborn idiots risked electrocution and drowning to go in and save those who refused to save themselves.

Also includes a blurb from a government type (the Times makes sure to note he´s a Republican) confessing that government failed. HOW?!?!?! They told sentient humans to leave. Repeatedly. Media coverage of the storm was pervasive and detailed and the dangers were known well in advance.

We can mourn lost loved ones especially the infirm but we should have no sympathy for obstinance and foolhardiness.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: dittohead, 11/12/2012 8:43:46 AM     (No. 9008521)

Any loss of life to events like this is tragic, but what are we to do? Should the govt go in, drag people out of their houses and haul them away? CHOICE, people, CHOICE, isn´t that what this last election turned out to be about - freedom of choice - and people chose to stay on the beach and sand and get killed. What´s that little verse "... is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” Matt. Chapter 7.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/12/2012 9:06:47 AM     (No. 9008564)

How can any government be blamed when people refuse to evacuate? We have had this discussion at LCom with the rugged independents´ saying that no government official would get them to evacuate. They don´t trust them. Etc., etc., etc.

So when an adult decides to ride it out, it seems to me that they made their own decision to live or die. We understood those warnings all the way out here on the West Coast. Surely those who were there should have put aside their denial or stubbornness and heeded them.

They made the ultimate independent choice. Exercised their ultimate freedom.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Drive, 11/12/2012 9:15:10 AM     (No. 9008580)

There are 200 missing on Staten Island. Bodies will turn up later. Katrina dead came from levees bursting not hurricane and the dead were people waiting for ´govmint´ to save them. You can blame the Sandy dead for not heeding warnings but you can blame Mayor and Governor for negligence in not preparing properly for disaster aftermath. For Bloomberg Manhattan is only important borough

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Reply 9 - Posted by: penelopewaits, 11/12/2012 9:33:14 AM     (No. 9008622)

The levees failed in New Orleans and some people died there because of that. Many, many other people died along the Gulf Coast in Mississippi and Louisiana due to the hurricane.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 11/12/2012 9:45:58 AM     (No. 9008662)

The Bush girls must have shown up out of guilt.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: sceptic82, 11/12/2012 10:10:59 AM     (No. 9008747)

The headline should be:

NY Times Discovers Staten Island!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: msjena, 11/12/2012 10:24:09 AM     (No. 9008775)

I didn´t hear about any of those people whose houses were flooded in Katrina drowning. Not saying it didn´t happen, but there were extensive rescue efforts, unlike in Staten Island.
When you isolate Katrina to New Orleans, which is where the criticism stems from, there were the nursing home deaths, some natural causes deaths and at least one homicide. The federal rescue efforts of people stranded in their homes were extremely successful overall.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: K.I.S.S., 11/12/2012 10:29:29 AM     (No. 9008790)

sorry east coast...obama only spends money (tax dollars) on things run by people who return the tax dollars to him as campaign donations. since you people actually need money to survive and rebuild...you are white...and you are on your own.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: RancherJack, 11/12/2012 11:07:36 AM     (No. 9008889)

... odd, since living at the beach in the Northeast is the exact description of a 1%´r

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Vaquero45, 11/12/2012 11:12:35 AM     (No. 9008898)

Let´s see.....you live on a beach and are told a hurricane is coming, but you won´t leave.....trying.....trying....nope, can´t find any sympathy. All those Obama-loving northeastern liberals better call their buddy Obama. Maybe he can give ´em some money from his "stash".

Life is tough - it´s tougher if you´re stupid.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 11/12/2012 11:32:27 AM     (No. 9008947)

I have kind of a different take on these who opted to stay - and died. Almost without exception they were elderly. Some were also infirm. I wonder if (at least those who were able to leave) they might have made the decision to stay thinking they didn´t really have the time, energy, money or will to rebuild. More or less an ´´in GOD´S hands´´ kind of decision. Everyone is still able to make a CHOICE and that´s how they decided. SO - who is to say they were wrong just because it´s not what we/I/you would have chosen?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: DebiAnn, 11/12/2012 12:45:15 PM     (No. 9009078)

Some Choices kill you......what´s the death toll going to be from the Nov 6th Choice?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: jerseytomato, 11/12/2012 12:50:40 PM     (No. 9009086)

#5 - A huge number of ´stubborn idiots´ rescued more than 150 people in Union Beach, New Jersey. Those ´stubborn idiots´ were OEM employees, who worked during the storm, risking their lives. Of the 150 rescued, many were elderly, poor, and didn´t have transportation. Mind you, there were those who had transportation, but ignored the evacuation warnings.

Just one small beach community. There are many with similar stories.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: pearlyjo, 11/12/2012 1:21:18 PM     (No. 9009167)

Well, sometimes we have to save our fellow Americans from bad decisions don´t we? Kind of like the election last week. My guess is we are going to have to ride in and save some folks again when we begin to slide over the cliff. Just make sure your voice is the one they hear, not the Dems telling them, "All is well, all is well".

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Reply 20 - Posted by: zazu, 11/12/2012 1:29:36 PM     (No. 9009185)

All I want to know is where is Sean Penn with his canoe?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: msjena, 11/12/2012 1:58:37 PM     (No. 9009247)

Should we not send firemen when someone´s house is on fire because they were smoking in bed? If the firemen can´t get there in time, it is the smoker´s fault. If they don´t come at all, it is their fault.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/12/2012 2:25:29 PM     (No. 9009321)

#12, 21, you are terribly mistaken. Whole swaths of New Orleans and surrounding towns were completely wiped out. Google the Lower Ninth Ward. Four thousand houses were lost there, alone. Ruined houses have been bulldozed, some have been rebuilt, many are sitting derelict and abandoned. There is real tragedy in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, but you are badly wrong that New Orleans was not as serious. A great big chunk of former New Orleanians have relocated to Houston because they no longer have a home in New Orleans.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: AntiStatist, 11/12/2012 2:33:19 PM     (No. 9009338)

Everybody please be quiet- the President is lining up a putt!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Adam, 11/12/2012 3:15:51 PM     (No. 9009427)

"Fugie, you´re doing a heck of a job!"

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Reply 25 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/12/2012 3:37:55 PM     (No. 9009454)

Thanks Bush girls. THiS kind of stuff is what will help the GOP brand!. A friend said to me yesterday what a statement it would make if the Romney boys and their Dad were out there hands-on helping do the dirty work. Paul Ryan too, come back from your well-deserved hunting trip and go help. He especially since he is the GOP future. Please don´t get all over me on this - I know full well how pooped they must be after the campaign. This would be a bigger demonstration of showing the electorate WHAT they have done more than any words.. The well-off can easily go over there and pitch in. Many of us have jobs and can ´t. We have to simply write checks and give.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Leftcoast, 11/12/2012 3:46:07 PM     (No. 9009459)

Where was Bronco Obama...oh yeah high and dry hiding from Benghazi,,,

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Reply 27 - Posted by: billa, 11/12/2012 4:06:44 PM     (No. 9009482)

I live out here in CA, and have survived the four monster quakes of recent years in So and No Calif., where we have zero warning.

All homes and commercial properties not only have to purchase earthquake insurance, but all structures must conform to building codes to with stand at least a 7-8 richter scale quake.

Now, these earthquakes may occur next week or 40 years from now...who knows.

At my best estimation beginning early August through November, hurricanes continuously hit the southeast and northeast. Albeit the size, dimension and location is not all that predictable, but, heck, you know it is coming. So get the bleep out.

Raging fires in So Cal. occur almost every Fall - depending upon the precipitation in the prior Spring. Growing up in Malibu (only PCH to get out) once those fires got going, my family and I packed up and left well before the warnings. Our home was never torched, but we were not stupid.

Living on the coastline from Maine to the tip of Miami, you all know there are hurricanes every single year. Build structures that can withstand the wind, rain and tides or even better, buy insurance to rebuild your property or save so that the rest of nation does not have pay through draconian taxes for your unbridled and unashamed stupidity.

Kind of weird that all these hurricanes every year seem to only occur in welfare communities. Did not know that hurricanes were racist. Oh, wait...it is Bush´s fault. Forgot that one.

Since you all in the NE voted for BO, best hope you get your Katrina freebies. Betcha, you wont ´cause he ain´t worrin ´bout no eelecktion.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: LZK, 11/12/2012 4:43:13 PM     (No. 9009548)

Sandy will always be considered a "bigger" storm because it´s the New York/New Jersey crowd. AND -- nothing matters like the Eastern elite....

Well -- maybe -- the Western Elite, i.e. hollyweird....

LZK

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Reply 29 - Posted by: pinger, 11/12/2012 9:04:48 PM     (No. 9009985)

I suspect that some people....perhaps especially older folks....concentrate less about what may happen to them personally but are more fearful of leaving their property thinking their places will be emptied-out by looters causing them to lose all their belongings. Unfortunately, they´re probably right.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: mikeman, 11/12/2012 10:16:41 PM     (No. 9010130)

This was a democrat hurricane, therefore it wasn´t a bad storm just a misunderstood one.

Sandy proved that democrat storms are actually good for the economy, good for minorities,women,illegal aliens and of course lgbtq...

If it wasn´t a good storm we would have heard about from the media. And outside of a few isolated power outages, we can learn to appreciate democrat storms.





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