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Republicans´ hard-right turn
worries old-guard Tom Kean

Star-Ledger [Newark, NJ], by Tom Moran

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Posted By:Ribicon, 11/11/2012 11:56:52 AM

Tom Kean won his first election as governor by the smallest margin in New Jersey history. He won re-election four years later by the largest margin in history. So this is a guy who knows something about politics. And now that he’s 77 years old, and the election is over, he felt free last week to administer an unvarnished scolding to the modern Republican Party. He describes a party that has lost its way, that is beholden to the wealthy, and that will keep losing elections until it recaptures the populist centrism of Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt,

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All I´ve seen in my lifetime is the Republican party moving farther to the political left, or to allow the Democrats to push it there. Hard right? Now, most of us would settle for "squishy middle" circa the early 1970s.

Meanwhile, New Jersey Demican Tom Kean says the GOP is doomed unless it merges with the Republicrat party.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: avikingman, 11/11/2012 12:02:04 PM     (No. 9007164)

Your mask slipped again Tom. Go home. Lefty.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: neenbean, 11/11/2012 12:03:12 PM     (No. 9007167)

Tom Price said this morn on Fox News Sunday "The American People voted for Divided Govt"

Context: They were hinting about us getting along

Yea Tom!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: aasilver, 11/11/2012 12:03:38 PM     (No. 9007168)

Tom Kean/Chris Christie - no difference.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: AnnG, 11/11/2012 12:04:06 PM     (No. 9007170)

What about the democrats turn to the extreme left?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 11/11/2012 12:05:23 PM     (No. 9007173)

Lincoln? No thanks.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Coy860, 11/11/2012 12:07:33 PM     (No. 9007176)

Either the Republican party is the party of smaller less intrusive gov´t, strong military, lower taxes, lower spending, self reliance or it isn´t.
Seems simple to me. Any Republican who cannot support the above should leave the party and join the democrats.
Thank you, Tom Kean, don´t let the door hit you in the arse.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 11/11/2012 12:12:19 PM     (No. 9007190)

Marble-Mouth Kean opened the way for Florio, McGreevey, and Corzine to turn Joisey into a corrupt People´s Republic - - and Sausage Christie is making sure it stays that way.

Thanks, fellas - - New Jersey And Socialism And You!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: FunnyGirl, 11/11/2012 12:19:20 PM     (No. 9007212)

#3 I lived in NJ under Kean and there is a huge difference. Christie may not have the brand of conservatism that those of us who have fled to red states prefer, but he has shown enormous guts taking on unions. There´s just so much one can do in Joisy. And for all those who were critical of Scott Brown, you´ve gotten your wish so enjoy Pocahantas.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 11/11/2012 12:24:56 PM     (No. 9007224)

I don´t understand this kind of thinking. Either you have principles that you belive in or you don´t. You don´t compromise those principles to accomodate others or they are not principles. So what is right is right (no pun intended) or it isn´t. We don´t allow ´flexibility´ in our principles.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: sfacheem, 11/11/2012 12:31:57 PM     (No. 9007234)

There has never been a conservative governor in NJ in my lifetime.

Kean, Christine Todd Whitman, and Christie. 2 Blue-blood CC ´Pubbies and a fat crank with the hots for Muslims.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 11/11/2012 12:43:27 PM     (No. 9007258)

What has going hard right gotten us ?
We don´t have the Senate thanks to O´Donnell, Angle , Raese, Buck and Miller losing in 2010.
And Mandel, Smith, Mourdock , Allen, Bongino and Akin losing in 2012.
Tea Party backed candidates lost 82 House races in 2010.
We lost House seats this year.
We have lost the presidency ..again.
Hard right is not the answer , but, by all means let´s keep doing it.
At this rate , we could lose the House in 2014.
Common sense conservatism has been sacrificed
at the altar of political purity .
The attitude that it´s better to lose with the right candidate than to win with someone you only agree
with 80% of the time is killing us at the ballot box.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: FunnyGirl, 11/11/2012 12:46:09 PM     (No. 9007264)

No room for compromise? No flexibility? I´ve had to live with both in my business and personal life for as long as I can remember. Our Founding Fathers compromised, just remember that.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 11/11/2012 12:46:23 PM     (No. 9007265)

I´m with #8. Christie is the governor of New Jersey -- not Texas or Nebraska. In order to get elected there and to govern there, he has to meet the electorate where it is.

Scott Brown is a good example. He caucused with the Republicans and (often) voted with the Republicans. Yet he was excoriated for being a RINO. He was about as far left as you can be and still be a Republican, yet lost to an obvious charlatan.

Don´t knock Christie; he´s doing the best he can given his circumstances.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: gagolfer, 11/11/2012 12:50:07 PM     (No. 9007276)

I wouldn´t count on TX for too many more years, either. Shrinking the base for the sake of political purity doesn´t sound like much of a plan to win elections, but what do I know.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: civilservant, 11/11/2012 12:50:59 PM     (No. 9007279)

Like I told your son, after you carried the water for the ckinton admin. by covering for Jamie Gorelick in the 9/11 inquiry.....Tom, you are dead to me. Change your affiliation.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mitzi, 11/11/2012 1:38:12 PM     (No. 9007342)

Northeast Republicans are really Democrat-light. If they didn´t have the R or D after their names, you would have a hard time telling them apart.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 11/11/2012 1:45:59 PM     (No. 9007358)

I live a long way from New Jersey but it sounds like Christie is much like Arnold Schwarzen-kennedy. He has a R after his name but that`s about it.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 11/11/2012 1:52:28 PM     (No. 9007370)

Let´s see, the elites got their fellow RINO Romney. They destroyed and real conservative. Then the elites got their own people on board. The Rove´s and Coulters, took over the airwaves. Then the elites got all TEA Party people shut out of the convention. Didn´t hear from them did you. Now they blame the TEA Party for loosing the election.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: yuban, 11/11/2012 1:56:43 PM     (No. 9007375)

So, Romney was a hard-right turn? Give me a break.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: FunnyGirl, 11/11/2012 1:57:22 PM     (No. 9007377)

No doubt the party elites championed Romney, but in the end he won the most primaries. He wasn´t my guy, but you can´t tell me that Rick Santorum is a fiscal conservative or that Michele Bachmann or Ron Paul could be elected to national office. Be angry - I am, too - but it´s more important to figure out what went wrong and how we fix it.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: lazlototh, 11/11/2012 2:00:10 PM     (No. 9007383)

I´m almost 57 and have made a gradual migration to being a somewhat independent, libertarian, small-government Republican. I just re-registered as a Democrat so that I could print a "Democrats for Romney" bumper sticker and express my outrage at the party by changing my registration back.

I´ve watched both parties and it is the Democrats that have moved away from the center. I cannot fathom how it is seen as far right to want a balanced budget, a sound private sector and a strong national defense. The left loves to say - falsely - that Reagan couldn´t run as a Republican. It is certainly clear to me that JFK couldn´t run as a Democrat today. I don´t think Bill Clinton post-1994 could have come close to getting nominated in that party.

These types of articles are a subconscious or even conscious attempt to move the goal posts and they don´t relate to reality. If they did, 2010 would have been impossible.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: hooter, 11/11/2012 2:04:57 PM     (No. 9007388)

Can someone explain "Hard Right". Support for our Constitution? Freedom from oppressive regulations? Expect healthy able citizens to forge their own path and take care of those who are not physically able to do so? Be rewarded for hard work and let those who choose to live on credit reap what they sow?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Ladyhawke, 11/11/2012 2:14:08 PM     (No. 9007401)

To me it is real simple. Republicans will keep losing elections until they find a way to stop Democrats from stealing them. There are myriad reports of massive voter fraud this election that no one is covering.

Perhaps Col. West will be able to reveal some of this in FL - but from the Republican leaders - nothing! It makes my blood boil.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: DaveFromTampa, 11/11/2012 2:14:15 PM     (No. 9007402)

Specifically, what policy proscriptions do you consider a hard right turn?

People always say "they moved too far to the right" but never say what the hell they are speaking of.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/11/2012 2:59:13 PM     (No. 9007476)

Yes, #18, you covered the situation pretty well. It´s all SO predictable too. Let´s not forget that Colonel West was done in FIRST by the RNC. With "unity" like the GOP has, WHY does anyone wonder why we lose? #23, you mention the biggest elephant in the room. Until the feckless Republican Party begins to confront voter fraud, it does not matter what else they do. It increases mightily every four years with almost no opposition. Finally, let´s see if the RNC, Boehner, ANYONE in GOP leadership stands up publicly with Congressman West as he fights to keep his job.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Axeman, 11/11/2012 3:33:16 PM     (No. 9007544)

Just because evil wins doesn´t mean you should compromise with it. You should fight harder against it. I am.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 11/11/2012 4:15:34 PM     (No. 9007609)

Send all RINOs and their ideas to the Pachyderm Retirement Home.

Hopefully it´s soundproofed.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: jackburton, 11/11/2012 4:43:02 PM     (No. 9007672)

Elections are monitored, run, administered by the states and at least twenty nine, a nice majority, have Republican Governorns (well, 28 counting Christie).

The Pubbie Govs should issue a voting card with a biometric (like a fingerprint) that can be machine read. Make it free. Tie it to some benefit. Push, advertise, cajole, threaten... I don´t care...

But when it comes time to vote... that card has to be in your hand and the machine reads the biometric. Quadruple the polling places and make it "Show up or don´t vote" except for people who order a ballot ... using the card AND have some real excuse (infirmity, business, travel) and screw this early voting. First Tuesday and that´s it.

Just watch what happens.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: FormerDem, 11/11/2012 5:32:34 PM     (No. 9007759)

Maybe the GOP needs to be more clear that it isn´t about tax rates for the rich, it´s just about a broad maxim, Don´t Feed the Animals. Since the Feds/Democrats handle their grab for GDP as a two-step, that´s the way it has to be defended, but the broad idea does not concern either rich or poor, just a concern not to feed the monster. Tax rates are sticky-upward. Just Stop. Whichever step we are on, No. he´s Fat Enough.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 11/11/2012 5:46:09 PM     (No. 9007779)

Yeah, Tom Kean did a great job winning reelection in New Jersey, by riding the Reagan economic boom to increase spending spectacularly, which worked until the economy took a downturn just before he left. Then he handed the deficit he created to Democrat Jim Florio, who tried to raise taxes to close the budget gap, for which he lost his job. Tom Kean´s legacy in New Jersey is lots of state spending. We already tried that with George W. Bush at the national level. No thanks.


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Reply 31 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 11/11/2012 5:51:02 PM     (No. 9007794)

I long defended Christie as about the best New Jersey can do, but he lost me with giving Obama a boost with a Sandy photo-op and then ignoring Romney. I didn´t vote for Whitman the second time she ran and, right now, I´m not voting for Christie the second time around, either. I may change my mind depending on how is opponent is and how things look at the time of the election.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: johnnygeneric, 11/12/2012 12:12:53 AM     (No. 9008206)

I agree. Reagan was to the RIGHT of every Republican president since. To say the GOP is "Hard Right" as of today is delusional and the person is living in Fantasyland.

The GOP ought to stay conservative even in the face of massive losses. Because, the present O´Bama policies will DESTROY America eventually. And we want to join him when he does? That´s a policy of insanity.

I for one will not be a part of a GOP that capitulates. If they "move" more to the left, what would be the point of voting GOP? Just Democratic!

We should ask the GOP officials the question Carville asked Clinton: Where´s you moral compass??

From what I can tell, they don´t have one!

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