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Floodgates Open on
New Health Regs

National Journal, by Margot Sanger-Katz

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 11/9/2012 9:51:58 PM

After months of regulatory delays, the floodgates have apparently opened. The Health and Human Services Department delivered two major health reform rules to the Office of Management and Budget on Friday, the first in an anticipated stream of health regulation. Many sources close to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services told National Journal that the administration had a number of important health rules ready to go but was holding them back until after the election to avoid a political backlash. Now that President Obama has been reelected, they predicted those rules would start emerging, and fast.

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The regime sure isn't wasting any time. I think we will be seeing the words "the administration had a number of important (fill in the blank) ready to go but was holding them back until after the election to avoid a political backlash." I think we will be stunned at the speed with which they start bombarding us with rules and regulations from every agency. I'm sick to my stomach.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: reillybinx, 11/9/2012 10:34:27 PM     (No. 9004145)

Wait until every Senior sees what their Part B Medicare Premium is going to be on 1/1/13!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: reddfroge, 11/9/2012 10:42:11 PM     (No. 9004157)

America, as a free country, is finished...juat wait until Jan.1...sorry folks.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: janylou, 11/9/2012 11:21:19 PM     (No. 9004225)

I am wondering when seniors get those increases next year, if there won´t be a major outcry from them making some of these dims senators think twice about repealing it. There certainly will be a backlash to AARP!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Crosscut, 11/9/2012 11:39:36 PM     (No. 9004266)

People will be hollering for a "do over" election very quickly. Washington Democrats will pay dearly in 2012. Maybe enough people will have gotten their eyes opened by then and start an uprising.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/9/2012 11:59:25 PM     (No. 9004285)

I´m one of those seniors and FYI this is a narrative of how some Americans see it.

So far I am fortunate.

As a retiree my former employer provides insurance. At first it was free. Then I has to start paying 10% of the premiums, now I think it will be 20% next year.

I don´t pay much attention, it is still of little consequence. But added costs could be a difficulty for others.

It is also a horribly complex mess in several ways. I think it works this way:

My doctor bills my insurer and they in turn bill Medicare. Medicare then pays almost nothing. My insurer then also pays nothing and I end paying the unpaid remainder.

Does that seem odd? Well it isn´t. The plan pays any costs over $2000 per year. Below that, nada.

Now ObamaCare seems to be tinkering with the terms. The Lord only knows what will happen if I ever need serious care. I sure can´t figure it out.

The good news. I am 80 and seldom visit a Doctor. 2010 was my last visit. With good luck - nay, with superb luck - I will die quickly and with little pain and never deal with the whole mess.

My daughter screamed at me for months before I would sign up for Social Security and Medicare a couple of years after I retired. It was that or go deaf. We all make bad decisions.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bob913, 11/10/2012 12:11:09 AM     (No. 9004292)

This is already costing thousands of people their jobs!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: wtm, 11/10/2012 2:19:35 AM     (No. 9004382)

Hopefully those thousands were Obama voters, and their eyes will be opened !!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pinchem, 11/10/2012 4:17:51 AM     (No. 9004432)

#2...I hope you weren´t one of the thousands of gullible people who believed the hoax that the Part B is going up to $247. Oh yes, one lady was so gullible she forwarded it from her office and thus it went out with the Blue Cross/Blue Shield logo on it. Now it has credibility so it must be true. Right?

People are so gullible they get this crap in email and just have to burden their friends and family with this crap, simply because someone put in big RED or BLUE letters to "send it to everyone you know".

Oh my, the Congress Critters "don´t pay Social Security". Oh my, Congress Critters "get fat pensions after one term in office." Oh my Congress Critters "get massive amounts of money for a lifetime." Guess what? They are all lies for the gullible and ignorant to believe. Don´t forget the items because some famous person said so. No they didn´t. "Oh gee this may not be true but I´ll pass it on just in case". Geeesh.

STOP IT. Stop being gullible. Check those items factually BEFORE you pass them on. If you insist on forwarding stuff, then please remove me from your mailing list.


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Reply 9 - Posted by: Really?, 11/10/2012 7:08:19 AM     (No. 9004564)

#8 Why don´t you start too ? Check out Pensions for Congress as an example.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: nonsense, 11/10/2012 7:33:34 AM     (No. 9004611)

Sorry this is a personal medical story. I am so filled with despair over the election results that when I was at the dr. office I mentioned to the med. tech that I was incredibly worried about Obamacare and the future. She assured me that everything would be just fine. That we would have no problem surviving Obamacare and 4 more years of the Obama regime.

Well every fear inside me unleashed, including that the commander in chief is a Marxist. Heated words were exchanged. Let´s just end by saying that I´m glad she was not taking my b.p.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: hamrman, 11/10/2012 7:34:56 AM     (No. 9004614)

Here is the Prize that all of you American Sheeple were waiting on...higher taxes, fewer doctors, & death panels...now that is hope and change!!!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: AnnaS, 11/10/2012 7:49:55 AM     (No. 9004640)

I keep seeing lame articles about how conservatives will bounce back. BS! This dictator and his organization have total control. We didn´t just lose 2012, we lost for all time!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Coy860, 11/10/2012 7:55:37 AM     (No. 9004642)

WHY hasn´t anyone filed an "equal protection" class action suit?
Obama handed out thousands of waivers and that is illegal. We are all supposed to be EQUAL.
This is a matter of life and death to thousands of us.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: owl, 11/10/2012 8:04:59 AM     (No. 9004652)

Don´t get mad , get even ? . About the closest I can get to that is may all the freeloaders who thot they´d vote themselves freebies get incurable Scabies . Oh , and like me , the doc who said I didn´t have them , just put on some baby lotion .

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 11/10/2012 8:16:05 AM     (No. 9004669)

This is just the start of it. The completion of the transformation will come swiftly and without concern. For those who claimed they couldn´t get comfortable with Romney and did not vote....thanks for nothing.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: planetgeo, 11/10/2012 8:19:17 AM     (No. 9004676)

And you thought "revenge" was just a description for voting? Silly wabbits.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: rplat, 11/10/2012 8:24:08 AM     (No. 9004689)

It doesn´t matter how many people become mad or upset, Obama simply doesn´t care and there nothing that can be done about it. You certainly can´t seriously believe those inept, jelly spines Republicans do anything. Until the opposition becomes as tough and ruthless as the left this will never end. More whiny babble on blogs and by pundits is useless.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: strike3, 11/10/2012 8:33:34 AM     (No. 9004712)

Judging from the Florida vote, millions of seniors voted for the kenyan fraud. Now the price will be paid for their stupidity. You can´t blame this whole mess on naive college kids. Obama is sitting in the catbird seat and nothing legal can be done about it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Grambo, 11/10/2012 8:37:01 AM     (No. 9004716)

All those takers who voted Obama back into office are in the same no-doctor-available boat as the makers. They should have been more careful about what they wished for. That free ObamaPhone won’t look so good when you can’t get needed care.

With 30 million more people added to the Obamacare plan, no new doctors, a and tsunami of doctor retirements, all built into the grand scheme, we are set for medical carnage in 2013.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: LZK, 11/10/2012 8:39:06 AM     (No. 9004722)

As a senior -- I´m not surprised. WE knew that S O B would stick it to seniors with his O B C (obamacareless)...

Michelle Baughman told US that he was taking 700B away from the seniors and giving it to O B C....

WE fought the good fight and lost to people (citizens and illegals) who want "free stuff"....

Sooooooooo -- my premiums will go up. How much I don´t know. My husband and I pay $900 a month now with medicare (yes WE do pay something for medicare) and our suplimental and our drug program....

I survived Hitler and I´ll survive this jackal and his chicago thugs. WE are the generation that fought WWII and WON. Of course WE didn´t have the Washington DC elite to deal with then -- but -- as long as WE live -- WE´ll fight back.

LZK

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Phil_hk, 11/10/2012 8:43:59 AM     (No. 9004735)

Seniors have been voting for FDR and HST and JFK and LBJ and any other SOB including BHO that promised them something for nothing for a long time

Well the left has finally turned me into what they accused me of being. I am now a card carrying member of the "Heartless Republican Club"

The elderly are as bad as the welfare queens. They paid almost nothing into Social Security and have gotten multiple times their investment. I hope none of them can afford their medications from now on. The sooner they die the sooner the US can be fixed. Until then maybe they try out the various flavors of dry cat food for lunch as that is what they´ve doomed their grand children to to eating they should develop a taste for it too.



I´ll take care of my parents. Everyone else can rot in a dirty old-folks home for all I care

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jalo1951, 11/10/2012 8:46:26 AM     (No. 9004744)

I have no choices. As of yesterday I had to opt out of my worker´s health plan. On Jan. 1 my contribution doubled to $800. But then I found out that the teachers who took out the same plan now have to actually fork over 4 cents a paycheck. The people who make twice as much and more than me pay 4 cents. That´s .04/$800 you do the math. Thanks teachers union. While I don´t have a problem with them getting a better deal this goes beyond a better deal. If it is going to get bad it will get bad quickly but will the idiots who voted this piece of slime into office even notice it?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: nekochan, 11/10/2012 8:56:08 AM     (No. 9004766)

To Poster #13: Think about it--some of us aren´t really equal. Not even in the taxes we pay.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Semper Vigilant, 11/10/2012 9:05:08 AM     (No. 9004789)

#22 you have absolutely nailed it.

Had the greedy senior class only voted with their heads, we could have easily thrown this usurper and his ilk out. With their help, there are still enough of "us" to overcome the illegal and dead votes counted at every election. But their "where´s mine at any cost" attitude votes with greed and ignorance every time.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Janjan, 11/10/2012 9:09:10 AM     (No. 9004794)

I have been beside myself over this Marxist Slime´s re- election for days. My own Mother, God bless her, thinks I am ´over-doing it and nothing bad will really happen´. She will be in the very first group screwed over by these people. I am not looking forward to her realization of this. Beyond sad.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 11/10/2012 9:09:57 AM     (No. 9004797)

What happens when you move from a state that has a health exchange to one that doesn´t? Or vice versa? Who is going to keep track of all these regs for compliance? And will they really enforce the law if an ObamaLover doesn´t comply?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: maryc, 11/10/2012 9:11:29 AM     (No. 9004803)

Did you hear the one about under obamacare regulation on Neurologists ? if a sr. of 70 or more comes in with a brain bleed they are not allowed to save them even if it could prolong their lives indefinitely. they must just make them comfortable. Stock up on aspirin now that may be your best health insurance plan.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: O.G.´s Mom, 11/10/2012 9:20:58 AM     (No. 9004822)

I like many others are inconsolable about this election. I feel such dread and darkness coming. We don´t even have an opposition party any longer with that A-hole Boehner saying it is not his job to stop Obamacare. The most liberty killing, government grabbing legislation EVER to be put to paper in the history of this Republic and this guy says it´s not his job to stop it? If not the Republicans, who? While we the people had a lot of power in the past, with no opposition party, with a press that is as corrupt as the most corrupt politicians and with the communists in control of the so-called education system, I really see that we are at an end of this glorious and wonderful Republic. Please someone tell me it is not the case. Lucianne and LDotters our country´s saviors. Sorry for the pessimism this morning. But, this Obamacare just puts me over the top.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: crankyyankee, 11/10/2012 9:26:25 AM     (No. 9004835)

AARP getting involved??? If I recall correctly they stood by and supported o-care. Tens of thousands of us dropped their AARP memberships as a result.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/10/2012 9:35:55 AM     (No. 9004860)

I imagine anyone who can prove he was a registered Democrat as of 11/1/12 can get an exemption from the regs and the Obama Death Panels. The same will not apply to Republicans and Independents.


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Reply 31 - Posted by: jorgecito, 11/10/2012 9:40:04 AM     (No. 9004873)

Whoa, #22. I understand your bitterness. True, there is a long history of many in "the greatest generation" gullibly supporting FDR´s socialistic programs, and subsequent ruinous Ponzi schemes.

But consider that a majority of seniors this year saw through Zero and voted for Romney.

I myself am not a "senior" (don´t like that term) ... yet. When I do hit 65, I plan to call myself a geezer. Death panels, here we come!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: buckhorn_cortez, 11/10/2012 9:47:09 AM     (No. 9004892)

I´m one of those alleged "greedy seniors" who contributed "nothing" into Social Security. Really? I didn´t ASK to contribute to Social Security - I was FORCED to do it.

The last statement I got from SSA showed I´ve contributed close to $100K over my work career - and that doesn´t include additonal money I´ve been forced to send to Medicare.

I really think that over the, nearly 50 years, I´ve been contributing to Social Security - I could have done something better with my money than put it into a 0% interest account - don´t you?

BTW - Mr. Greedy has voted straight Republican since 1972 and contributed a lot of $$ to various Republican candidates.

And now, we have some young whipper-snappers who think they know everything blaming it all on me? Cry me an ´effing river - and go look in the mirror.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Lakeside Granny, 11/10/2012 9:53:04 AM     (No. 9004905)

#22, #25 I know how frustrated and angry you are but blaming the seniors, I fear, is just buying into the Won´s divisional stategy. I am a senior who is still working and not on the gov. dole. I, along with millions of seniors and their employers, have paid into the the system. I do not want to leave a legacy of debt to my children and grandchildren. I will not play the blame game but will get back to work to take back my country. And, by the way, I and my husband are in the somwhere just above poverty, so could use the gov help but will keep our integrity and just keep trucking along. No Christmas cards and very few gifts to be given this year.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: arcady, 11/10/2012 9:53:27 AM     (No. 9004906)

It´s a "them" vs "us" country. Hate to maybe break it to some, but those who voted for Obama are part of the "us", (unless you´re already part of the government industrial complex). The governing (ruling) side won, the private sector side lost. To the victor go the spoils... and #18 I think is right, they don´t care about you at all, not one bit. They don´t know who you are, could care less about you, and will take what they want from you when they want. I hope the Obama voters realize it too. Unless they´re already on the inside, they´re going to be swept up in this as well. Too bad... Yeah, keep supporting those enslaving you (AARP anyone?), they´re laughing all the way to the bank.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: ishouldknowbetter, 11/10/2012 10:04:00 AM     (No. 9004938)

I´m a retired coal miner. I recieve a small portion of my retirement income from EXXON and the majority from Peabody Coal and Social Security. I also have my insurance through Peabody for the portion not covered by Medicare. I have to wonder how long I can rely on recieving the benefits I worked for from companies Obama is determined to destroy.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 11/10/2012 10:11:19 AM     (No. 9004959)

Elections have consequences, you reap what you sow, etc, etc. Those who voted for Santa are about to find that Santa comes at a steep cost. My ears will be deaf to their cries of anguish. They were warned.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Aria, 11/10/2012 10:13:47 AM     (No. 9004965)

#7

Obama voters who lose their jobs just become Obama voters dependent on government benefits.

I don´t think those who now rule this once free country give a rat´s ass about seniors....other than hastening their exit off this planet to help offset Obama´s wild spending. Seniors are sitting ducks and many were just too gullible to realize it - and too late now. The party is over.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Arby, 11/10/2012 10:15:55 AM     (No. 9004969)

The dims never tell you what they´re really going to do until after they´re elected.

Sheeple! Sheeple! Why did you vote for these idiots?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: AnnaS, 11/10/2012 10:27:36 AM     (No. 9004995)

I think most people pay no attention. They get snipets from local TV then they are off to American Idol and The View. Another problem is that there was no campaign outside the battleground states. I live in Texas and saw not one ad on TV!

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 11/10/2012 10:31:43 AM     (No. 9005015)

I have read various comments here and just wish to my 10 cents about one specific point. The Medicare Advantage programs that folks on Medicare are under, which replaces Medicare Parts A and B, and which costs a nominal fee, will be decimated and or eliminated under Obamacare. At that point, a person on Medicare Advantage will now be left with only Medicare. If they wish to supplement that program, they have to sign up for a supplemental program, which costs far more than the amount they paid while on the Advantage program. How could so many Seniors NOT UNDERSTAND THAT and still vote for Obama. I am speaking particularly about the State of
Florida. A Hispanic Senator, loss of Medicare Advantage, Many Jewish folks in the population, and still, I believe, a State that voted a person back into power who is going to take all those benefits from them.
It is incomprehensible to me that so many people either were so deluded, or so disloyal, or just so uninformed to vote as they did. Frankly, it is beyond understanding. And to top it off, A Governor whose background is in Health Care ( HCA ).
That is why I feel people, like me, are so upset. Nothing was rational about this election. Lastly, watching coal miners being interviewed on Tv stating they were going to vote for Obama, and KNOWING he was attempting to destroy their industry and force them out of their jobs. This is an alternative Universe we are in.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: dkrieb, 11/10/2012 10:36:33 AM     (No. 9005027)

@ #4

I´ve been saying that the Republicans have one more chance in the 2014 midterm election. Within the next few months when everyone, especially seniors, come to the realization of what they´ve done, every Democrat will be toast. We will end up with an almost total majority in both houses. The Dem´s have no where to run and they will be unable to excuse their way out. We need to stop as much as we can in the House until that time. I believe the electorate will support every effort out of anger.
The shame is that there were still seniors that voted for this fraud and the rest of the dumbed population didn´t care - free stuff. He also may not make it through 4 years, Benghazi impeachment anyone.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: yo-yo, 11/10/2012 10:50:44 AM     (No. 9005066)

I´m sorry, they may have saved the world, and in the process, their own rears, but the Greediest Generation bankrupted this country! However, in their defense, many people, over the years, have fallen for Ponzi schemes.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: norcalvet, 11/10/2012 10:51:43 AM     (No. 9005067)

Wow #22, 25. YOu sound just like obama´s death panels. Kill all the seniors, they are just a burden on society, they don´t carry their weight and contribute anything. After paying into Social Security (unwillingly) all of our working lives, it gives us enough to get thru the month. We both draw our military pensions, but we still are not that far above the poverty level, and after all this hits, we will be much closer to it. We have never taken gov´t assistance, and we still work to make ends meet. To paint all seniors with one broad brush is unfair to say the least. And one day, you too will be a senior. You may revise your heart at that point. Who knows? I will pray for you and your anger towards the seasoned citizens of this once great land.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: oldvlc, 11/10/2012 11:01:57 AM     (No. 9005088)



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Reply 45 - Posted by: oldvlc, 11/10/2012 11:08:31 AM     (No. 9005100)

There were many reasons Romney lost, one being many conservatives staying home because they "would not vote for a moderate." I thought Romney admirably dispelled that in the campaign, but maybe I was the only one listening. So, let me get this straight, all who stayed home knew what Obama would do and were fine with it. The "purity" conservatives insist upon has condemned our nation to oblivion, thank you very much. Dems have no such scruples, they will always vote as a unified bloc no matter what the issues are. "Conservatives" are SO STUPID up to the point of selling our nation up the river.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: tomishere, 11/10/2012 11:47:35 AM     (No. 9005198)

#46 It´s the dirty story no one wants to address. It is why Obama was reelected.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 11/10/2012 11:53:43 AM     (No. 9005213)

Hey Florida seniors and especially JEWISH Florida seniors, go suck on it and enjoy what the majority you voted for is doing.

AARP, how are you liking it now? Why don´t you send your members some phony card that doesn´t do anything? Make sure you are VERY clear to them the VALUE they are getting taking more money away from them, especially on a fixed income.

I guess you can always eBay your vintage China and whatever else you were going to leave your grandkids.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: dman, 11/10/2012 12:03:24 PM     (No. 9005230)

A most disturbing thread. Take hold of yourselves, people!

Remember who the enemies are. They are not your parents and grandparents. Remember the 5th Commandment. It´s there for a reason.

Remember that many of the seniors you now trash won WWII (the older ones), gave you Goldwater and Reagan (boomers like me), and the Tea Party (both). Many are conservatives, and have always been. Only a relative few participated in Woodstock and the anti-Vietnam movement.

Get your heads screwed on straight. It´s your future that is at stake.


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Reply 49 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 11/10/2012 12:03:33 PM     (No. 9005231)

One more thing, let´s stop with the "conservatives stayed home so we lost". What BS manufactured by the liberals. Look at the ELECTORAL COLLEGE votes. How many people, and how could it be proven, "stayed home" because they don´t like Romney. I´ll be generous. Do you think a few thousand people here and there in a handful of areas would have made a difference?

Jesus Christ could have run, and he would have been pilloried as being "too into the God thing", "an anti-abortion zealot" and a "creep" who "didn´t connect well with women".

Please folks, don´t be as stupid as the liberals paint us to be. Wise up. We lost because of pandering to blacks, latinos, idiot women, and a cheerleading and lying press, and most importantly, solid enclaves of liberals in large electoral count areas.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 11/10/2012 12:11:23 PM     (No. 9005241)

#50, most seniors from the "greatest generation" are dead now. All my uncles who fought in WWII are dead. This country started to go downhill in the 1960s, with the acceptance of drugs and other ills of morality. The school systems began their decline in the 70s.

If you were 20 in 1965 you are in your 70s now.

People keep thinking that seniors are their beloved grandparents for the WWII and Great Depression eras. Most of those people are gone now.

The seniors didn´t give us the Tea Party. Most events I have been to were people in their 40s and 50s.

I am not bashing seniors, but let´s not put them on a pedestal either. That group is just as at-fault as any other group. Now they can live with the consequences. Fortunately, my sisters and I have enough bucks to help my parents if they need it. The rest can, like I said, sell their china.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: bdcaruba, 11/10/2012 12:17:22 PM     (No. 9005253)

I´d certainly be in favor of a ´do over´, as one of the first posters remarked, but only if those who didn´t know this was coming are not allowed to vote.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: DoktorFranken, 11/10/2012 12:17:47 PM     (No. 9005254)

It is as plain as the stank on the Leftist´s campaigning - They WANT us seniors to WANT to die. End of story.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 11/10/2012 12:25:32 PM     (No. 9005264)

It won´t just be the seniors. The 30 hour a week threshold for part time works is going to kill those working in two huge sources of jobs for those trendy urban singles who so love Obama- the hospitality industry and temp agencies.

The cutbacks to part time status are just beginning. 30 hours is a particularly difficult threshold. The loss of 10 hours a week strips you of most discretionary income but it´s hard to work two 30 hour a week jobs week in and week out. Also a lot of the places that employ temps to work IT projects prohibit one from worker for simultaneously working for someone else in the same industry.

The 20 something son of an old friend has already been reduced to part time status. Free health care is about to become very expensive for these people.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: toodles3956, 11/10/2012 12:44:42 PM     (No. 9005297)

Lay off the seniors. I worked till I was almost 74. I have a friend who is still working at age 77. We will eventually all die off but the welfare moms and their offspring will go on forever. How about some complaints about them?

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Reply 55 - Posted by: DaisyMae, 11/10/2012 1:25:37 PM     (No. 9005366)

What are you all talking about???? I´m a senior and I have paid SS tax and Medicare tax all of my life. So I get to use these benefits now and I will not be vilified for doing so.

All you trust fund babies and government pensioners can go pound sand.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 11/10/2012 1:31:42 PM     (No. 9005372)

Above poster was lucky to be able to work that long. My first age related layoff happened when I was in my mid-40´s. And after each one, there were fewer and fewer jobs available for us ´oldies.´

Amen on the welfare moms. I have a great niece who is as slutty as they come, she of course voted or Obama and is more than pleased to be the recipient of all the goodies offered by Uncle Sugar for her and her two ilegitimate kids and her never ending string of boyfriends. And she´s just one of legion.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Semper Vigilant, 11/10/2012 1:59:33 PM     (No. 9005421)

Expectedly, most of the follow-up posts simultaneously both miss and make my previous point.

Nobody is claiming you didn´t work, contribute, serve, struggle, suffer, or aren´t patriotic.

But to claim you´ve "paid your fair share" and were forced to pay all these years is incorrect and also discounts the vastly higher amounts that we younger (and I´m 56) continue to pay to support you. You may have paid what was asked, but it was never enough to provide the benefits you´ve voted for. How many of you will reasearch the numbers?

Only the evil rich wage earners have or will have paid their "fair share" into Medicare given that program´s current path to bankruptcy. The average retiree receives benefits something on the order of 3 times their amounts withheld.

Social Security you´ve received, especially if you´ve been retired for more than a few years, is likely to be far more than any real-world return would have yielded from invested dollars and they continue to be increaded with no further financial commitment from you.

Over the years, the majority of seniors, either uninformed, misinformed, blatantly ignorant or yes, greedy, simply reject any sensible reforms...most of which would not even apply to them...and will vote or have voted accordingly. There are strength in numbers, even when you´re wrong. The left knows this and successfully exploits it with the seniors every election.

I find few my age or younger who don´t recognize these troubles or who aren´t in favor of reforms that they, and not even the current recipients, will experience.

The country is headed for financial collapse because of the unsustainability of these social programs. They remain the best investments you´ve never made.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: DaisyMae, 11/10/2012 2:27:32 PM     (No. 9005468)

Cupcake, I never said I wasn´t laid off or fired because of my age--I have had to take jobs way below my capabilities just to make ends meet.
Don´t go attaching labels to people you don´t even know.
All I´m saying is, I paid and now I am collecting just like any other investment.
I did not pay in so PeggySue and her children could go on SSI for the rest of her life.
If Social Security was not going to pay out--they should never have taken my money--I could have gotten a better return on my money.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: Bumblebee, 11/10/2012 4:07:33 PM     (No. 9005659)

And all the "nasties" on this thread wonder why people don´t vote Republican?? You should hear yourselves! Grumpy, greedy, complainers all. Reminds me of the ´name calling´ Liberals with not much more sense. I wouldn´t vote for any of you either!

If any of these things come true that you believe ´will´ then write letters to the editor, but till then they are just internet stories, left and right.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: OregonBoomerGirl, 11/10/2012 5:24:51 PM     (No. 9005787)

I don´t know what #5 is talking about. I´m 66, and the way it works is that when you turn 65 you are funneled into Medicare, you have no choice. I also carry Blue Shield and pay a monthly premium for it because I wasn´t sure how Medicare would work out.

This summer I had an accident which required surgery and a lot of follow-up care. Nearly all of it was covered by Medicare and a small amount by Blue Shield. I received top-notch medical care overall and I thank our medical system. However I´m very worried how Obamacare will change the care we get, and Medicare being broke, etc.

Already my doctor doesn´t take anymore Medicare patients, because he is paid very low for them. I have read that thousands of doctors will retire, they don´t want to work for the government and be told what to do. It´s all very scary to me.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 11/10/2012 5:36:40 PM     (No. 9005820)

I have kept very well informed regarding Medicare, healthcare, and 0care. Just moved, and volunteering at local civic organization. (Trying not to be too obvious) They had a speaker from a conservative free-market think tank, who spoke on 0care. He gave an excellent summary of major parts of the piece of bull excrement, and the members were SHOCKED. Asked questions that showed they knew nothing, and just realized they had been impaled by a male organ. If not so achingly sad, I would have laughed out loud. Had a word with the speaker afterwards, told him how much I appreciated his info, and joined the think tank. Whatever.........

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Reply 62 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/10/2012 6:19:23 PM     (No. 9005929)

#62. I am #5 and you may well be right about how I got into Medicare.

I was still working at 66 and my employee may have just put me into Medicare since it would affect the company paid health insurance.

I wouldn´t have noticed another form to sign on my desk. I signed a lot of forms. And for years afterward I had no medical needs and saw little or no paperwork.

About Social Security itself I am sure. A couple of years after I retired I finally began drawing it. My daughter drove me to the office and a jolly fat lady signed me up.

A printout she gave me showed paid SS for 54 years. That made sense. I had a regular job at 12 or 13, forget which.

I was impressed with their records.

As far as Medicare payments. I think it paid about $10 of an $150 test in 2010. Clearly I didn´t care very much but I was mildly surprised.

My former wife has been very happy with Medicare payments and some of it was expensive care.

I prefer a plan that only pays when things get expensive, say over $2000/year. Simple and protective.

Others prefer coverage for all sorts of things and apparently ObamaCare requires all plans to cover specific items, making them complex.





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Reply 63 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 11/10/2012 8:07:26 PM     (No. 9006099)

As a senior, I don´t know if I should be more afraid of Zippycare or the posters today. Most days you confest to be Christians.

As a self employed person I paid double taxes and paid over a $1000 a month for insurance. If you worked for somebody else and had paid benefits, I´m happy for you however clueless you may be about the real world.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 11/10/2012 10:35:25 PM     (No. 9006263)

I guess these freebirds that voted for Bronco Bama don´t think they will get old someday. Forever young, they believe. Boy, will they be surprised. Due to the free abortions and birth control that we were forced to pay for, they will have aborted the next generation and there will be no one left to cover their expenses for them. They won´t even be able to move in with their children because they won´t have any. It gives me a little compensation, I guess, knowing they have messed in their own nest.

I work at a company where the average age is 58 yrs. old. People don´t retire, we just die off. There are a few younger ones, but the layoffs start with them. We all joke that we are financial hostages and will continue to work while dragging our IV poles to work with us. The owner comes to work every day. He is 88 yrs. old.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: intolerantfox, 11/12/2012 3:03:55 AM     (No. 9008262)

This is making me very sad. This is what socialism does. It turns us on one another because you realize...everyone is out for themselves and so I need to look out for me and mine so screw you! This is not the way we should he reacting. We need to band together...start communities with actual values...stop spreading out so far across the map and decide on states we can invade and actually make a difference in the electoral map. Our ground game sucks and we need to get better. This is life and death. I´m angry too but pointing fingers at each other is only going to make it worse. We need to form conservative places of refuge for times of crisis with laws like "if a man won´t work he won´t eat." And learn to survive outside the government until we can rebuild. Man up people. Liberty is under attack. This ain´t a drill. This is it boys so what are u going to do? Fight with eachother or form a more perfect union. ? Our forefathers didn´t pledget their honor or their fortunes for this. And I don´t intend to watch what they built get destroyed without resistance.

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