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Topic: Boehner Open to New Revenue to Avoid Cliff |
Boehner Open to New Revenue to Avoid Cliff
Wall Street Journal, by Corey Boles
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Posted By:JoniTx, 11/7/2012 4:36:59 PM
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| House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) on Wednesday said he is ready to negotiate a budget deal with President Barack Obama to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff that includes new tax revenue, as long as Democrats agree to cuts and changes to federal entitlement programs.Mr. Boehner's remarks, made one day after Mr. Obama won election to a second presidential term, signaled House Republicans may be more willing to negotiate a budget deal than was likely before the election. "If there is a mandate in yesterday's results, it is a mandate for us to find a way to work together
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
tomanderson61, 11/7/2012 4:41:55 PM (No. 8997562)
At what point Boehner do you just literally pull down your pants? I mean, might as well.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
fiddle ed, 11/7/2012 4:42:08 PM (No. 8997563)
Just shut up, John.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
jsanders, 11/7/2012 4:42:34 PM (No. 8997564)
Bend-over Boehner strikes again. Time to get this sob-sister out of leadership.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
mickturn, 11/7/2012 4:43:13 PM (No. 8997566)
Now he's a RINO...were are so totally screwed! As Rush said, The kids voted for Stanta Clause...Freebees for everyone.
Every so often adults need to take over to straighten out the messes then the kids want Santa back. We will never get ahead of this madness until those on the dole CAN NOT VOTE!
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
MattMusson, 11/7/2012 4:44:46 PM (No. 8997573)
Obama and the Dems are going to blame Congress anyway. Just accept it. Don't beg for scraps.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
nimby, 11/7/2012 4:45:12 PM (No. 8997575)
ARE YOU AN ASS?
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
jntsrgn, 11/7/2012 4:45:45 PM (No. 8997576)
Taxes will go up and the cuts will be phantom reductions in growth.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Grady, 11/7/2012 4:46:03 PM (No. 8997579)
Looks like cry baby boehner has taken reggie love's place.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
jimboendaatl, 11/7/2012 4:46:13 PM (No. 8997580)
How in the world does he come to this conclusion?
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Pros7767, 11/7/2012 4:46:19 PM (No. 8997581)
Ohio 2014 needs to get rid of this jerk. Then again they just gave Obama 4 more years.
Sick of them all.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
QRP, 11/7/2012 4:46:58 PM (No. 8997584)
Does it really matter? We know what Boehner and the rest of Republican leadership is - Democrats by a different name. Just remember guys, when people don't have a jobs income tax and payroll tax rates really don't matter. A larger percent of 0 is still 0.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Coy860, 11/7/2012 4:47:31 PM (No. 8997587)
I heard Beyonce say she was donating her entire fortune to the Federal Government. s/
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl, 11/7/2012 4:50:03 PM (No. 8997601)
Let the caving begin.....
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
alloysteel, 11/7/2012 4:51:15 PM (No. 8997608)
We are getting the 'new' taxes anyway, if NOTHING is done.
Any prior reduction in taxes done a decade ago, reflects the 'old' taxes. The reversion to the previous rate schedule, being automatic, demands nothing of the House of Representatives, but it does provide an enormous bargaining tool. The paired action of sequestration, and the absence of any deal on raising the debt limit, has the immediate effect of shocking the Current Regime into coming up with a compromise in the direction of the Republican majority in the House.
Play out the bluff. The Republicans have absolutely nothing to lose at this point. This cannot be used against the Republican nominee for the Presidency, and the House is for two years, at least, safely in the hands of the Republicans.
Bronco Bama gets the tax rates raised, as he seems to want, and he also has to face a stark reality.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
dman, 11/7/2012 4:52:07 PM (No. 8997614)
Yes, #13. It begins.
I'm leaning with those who just want the pubs to step aside and abstain at this point. At least they cannot be blamed by the Dems for what is about to happen. Don't give the Dems political cover by either dealing or opposing. Just abstain.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Redneck In NY, 11/7/2012 4:53:15 PM (No. 8997618)
Whats the point? Just confiscate all wealth, install a 50% income tax rate on all white people. Lets get it rolling, no need to prolong the death of this country any longer. The faster you RINO's get in line with the marxists, the quicker us patriots can get busy with the revolution...
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Emmajustin, 11/7/2012 4:55:40 PM (No. 8997625)
Boehner, shut up or I will make you cry again. DO NOT RAISE TAXES. The media and flaming libs will blame you and Bush regardless of what you do, so at least stand up to them and protect America. If you cave, we will get tax increases, no spending cuts and you will still be blamed and voted out of office. Raise taxes you lose. Hold firm America wins. Make you choice.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
artsy, 11/7/2012 4:55:49 PM (No. 8997626)
If you read the article carefully you'll see that he said to raise revenue by closing loopholes, NOT raising taxes. And it was good strategy to be proactive and explain how he would solve fiscal problems. Then he is the leader playing offence, and 0bama is the follower playing defense. Give us more of this, John. Go with Simpson Bowles.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Blue-Z-Anna, 11/7/2012 4:55:50 PM (No. 8997627)
Violation #1- It appears to have taken Mssr.Boner almost an hour to say absolutely nothing. At least Joe Biden blurts out his foolishness without a lot of hemming and hawing and wasting the time of good people. If we can't do better that this country club back slapper then we deserve what we get.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Johnny Angle, 11/7/2012 4:56:59 PM (No. 8997635)
Bachman should challenge Boehner.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
someshoes, 11/7/2012 4:57:41 PM (No. 8997639)
Disagree posters. I think he should get out in front on all the big issues: immigration reform, fiscal plan, environmental matters, energy matters...everything. Start by resurrecting some of the Simpson-Bowles suggestions. He must refuse to be played as the foil.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Emmajustin, 11/7/2012 4:57:51 PM (No. 8997640)
#18, as a tax attorney, I believe there are no loopholes. All of the tax code is codified social policy. Some things are rewarded, some things are punished.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
flowerladytoo, 11/7/2012 4:58:02 PM (No. 8997641)
Boehner needs to be replaced...first order of business. We need someone with a real backbone in his position, not a wimpy, crying baby!
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
artsy, 11/7/2012 4:58:42 PM (No. 8997645)
..also, it is important to continue to hold these press conferences. A meeting behind closed doors will result in lies and distortions when told to, or translated by the MSM.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
formerlyphelps, 11/7/2012 5:01:35 PM (No. 8997657)
It doesn’t matter what the GOP does, it will be blamed for bad results. Democrats will take credit for anything good. With the complicit media, perception is reality. -0-bama is still not accepting any responsibility for the current state of the economy, other than to say it would be worse without his “bold action”. According to exit polls, voters still blame Bush for the CURRENT economy.
If the GOP does nothing, they will still be seen as obstructionist. If the Democrat plan fails, it will be because the GOP didn’t back it. If the GOP participates and the economy rebounds, the Democrats will take full credit and claim the GOP ideas as their own (see Exhibit A: Bill Clinton). Face it, the GOP can’t win this one – just do what is best for the country.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Scribelus, 11/7/2012 5:02:03 PM (No. 8997659)
Rep. Bachmann would be a superb Speaker!
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
rabbit, 11/7/2012 5:02:22 PM (No. 8997662)
Boehner is absolutely making the right choice. Get out in front of this and talk about bipartisanship. If Obama refuses, the Obama is the one who looks bad. And if Obama agrees, then the country just might end up better off than with two sides simply spitting at one another.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
railroadwoman, 11/7/2012 5:05:26 PM (No. 8997673)
Let's send some more tea to all of the so-called statesmen in Washington - it got their attention 4 years ago - looks like they need to be reminded
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
steveracer, 11/7/2012 5:10:02 PM (No. 8997691)
John, Obama owns this mess not you. Stop trying to take ownership. Republicans are so stupid. "May I have another sir". Why don't you guys have that tattooed on your foreheads.... Ya stupes.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
artsy, 11/7/2012 5:11:10 PM (No. 8997693)
Hopefully, Romney will not get involved. All 0bama needs is another Republican to blame for the next 4 years! After spending these many months demolishing Romney's character, 0bama does not deserve Romney's respect or help.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
mmdemimonde, 11/7/2012 5:12:18 PM (No. 8997697)
boner...go take a drink and bend over. if you cooperate with the punk in the white hut, you're complicit in the destruction of our america. we have gone over the edge....we will never have the chance to elect another republican again. the demographics have destroyed this country and we can't recover.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
plex, 11/7/2012 5:14:51 PM (No. 8997703)
There is no wining position. As #25 points out the GOP will be blamed no matter what they do. If the citizens of Detroit don't understand that voting Democrat lost their city, Californians their state, how do you expect anyone to accept voting Democrat lost the county.
We must destroy the MSM. Cancel your newspaper. Do it now! If all conservatives cancelled their subscriptions the papers would be out of business by the end of next year, just in time for the next election cycle.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
michellewsc2, 11/7/2012 5:21:29 PM (No. 8997720)
Remember, Bonner is already running for re-election 2014 so he would sell his mother's soul to the devil
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
GreatPlains, 11/7/2012 5:22:20 PM (No. 8997724)
Boehner did not say he would agree to raising taxes. Just the opposite. He wants to lower rates for everyone , reform the tax code , close loopholes and grow the economy to generate more revenue.
FTA-"Mr. Boehner stuck to his position that raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans wasn't an effective solution, but he did say Republicans would be open to new tax revenue from closing loopholes in the tax code as part of a wider overhaul."
"Does the increased revenue come from government taking a larger share of what the American people earn through higher tax rates?" Mr. Boehner asked. "Or does it come as the byproduct of a growing economy, energized by a simpler, cleaner, fairer tax code, with fewer loopholes, and lower rates for all?"
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
whyyeseyec, 11/7/2012 5:23:10 PM (No. 8997727)
The MSM will now begin hammering the GOP for their inevitable loss in 2014. Pelosi smells blood already.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
cobieone, 11/7/2012 5:23:23 PM (No. 8997728)
I'm sure I will catch grief for this, but... How can we blame the Republicans in the House? In 2010 we sent them to Washington to shut down the out of control dems and they did a pretty good job. They were waiting for help and we Americans did not deliver. Sorry guys, but this is what America voted for and the Republicans will not continue to stand in the way. I don't blame them, I blame us.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
judy, 11/7/2012 5:29:13 PM (No. 8997743)
The tear jerker is what's wrong with the repub party.....Boehner..the worst leader in history
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
gesundheit, 11/7/2012 5:30:32 PM (No. 8997748)
Since Obama won re-election by only 2%, he is not considered to have won a mandate.
On the other hand, the Republicans won the House yesterday by almost 10% -- 234 Republicans to 193 Democrats. John Boehner and the Republican Congress DO have a mandate, and they should act like it and negotiate with the Democrats like it. Don't give in.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
yuban, 11/7/2012 5:36:59 PM (No. 8997767)
We went over the cliff last night.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
kTWO, 11/7/2012 5:43:11 PM (No. 8997785)
Poor John. He probably thinks he still matters. Or that the House matters. He will be lucky if Obama doesn't lock him out of the Capitol building and his office.
w/o help from the Senate run by Reid all the House can do is whine.
Over the last two years Obama has learned he can rule w/o a budget and w/o House approval of anything. Just issue executive orders and have the Fed print money. No one can stop him.
The Fiscal Cliff is meaningless. The Treasury and the federal departments and employees will do as they are told. And Obama will be doing the telling.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
olcap, 11/7/2012 5:47:11 PM (No. 8997800)
I'm afraid that the reality of the damage that was done to the republican brand (and party) during this election cycle has yet to be revealed. Extreme damage was done by certified idiots Akin and Mourdock. Unfortunately, a misguided rallying of support for both of these clowns assured there would be no senate gains for the republicans. Add to this the damage that was done by Romney himself, with the 47% comment, and a contest that was going to be difficult was made impossible.
This is lasting damage, too. It will be a very long time, and, like it or not, but it is definitely true, before the republicans would have anything even approaching a majority of the female vote. This election cycle gave the left enough ammunition to attack the republicans, and, (very sadly), conservatives by association forever, if they choose.
In my opinion, to the people who make up the very top level of the RNC/GOP, survival is the key. They are sure that now, more than ever, they need to forcibly move the party to the left, so that leftist policies that are winning elections for the dems, can also be embraced by the GOP, because, really, the important thing is the win. Winning means you can create policy, losing means you can't.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
gloating, 11/7/2012 5:50:27 PM (No. 8997808)
Michelle Bachmann should challenge Boehner for Speaker. Please do it Michelle! The Tea Party will back you . We need someone who will be able to articulate Conservative views.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
Wetlandz, 11/7/2012 6:00:20 PM (No. 8997839)
We will lose the house next
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
MarinMike, 11/7/2012 6:01:32 PM (No. 8997845)
well, that didn't take long
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
franq, 11/7/2012 6:05:30 PM (No. 8997855)
I guess we all need to acquire a taste for borscht. We've got strong leaders on our side. Not.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
pineledger, 11/7/2012 6:06:35 PM (No. 8997858)
It will be a quid pro quo. Boehner's not going to give away the store.``
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
ColonialAmerican1623, 11/7/2012 6:08:56 PM (No. 8997866)
Does John's pants come with built in knee pads ?
Americans need jobs in order to pay taxes, unlike illegal immigrants.
IF PR becomes a state, let them pay taxes for a change.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
gijohn, 11/7/2012 6:14:44 PM (No. 8997892)
Not even 24 hours and this dumb butt is busy selling us out.
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
noproblems, 11/7/2012 6:29:40 PM (No. 8997937)
the republicans need to draw a line in the sand. that line is the nationak debt.
let the democrats own the economy. let them raise taxes as much as they want. tell the house republicans to vote presentt on any democratic tax bill. they own the result.
however, the republicans need to say they willolonger agree to increasing the debt limit. they will no longer agree to deficit spending that will burden our children.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
FL_Absentee_Voter, 11/7/2012 6:38:10 PM (No. 8997956)
Don't worry, folks. The Won won't listen to what he says because no matter what he says, the only response he'll get will be, "I won."
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
LanieLou, 11/7/2012 7:20:43 PM (No. 8998047)
Boehner keepin' it public... He knows Obama will EO everything & blame him for not negotiating. I think it was smart to get in front of the curve.
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
gunnut13, 11/7/2012 7:25:12 PM (No. 8998058)
Try this. Don't do anything. Let the fiscal cliff arrive and let's see how the welfare queens and their clan survive when the money dries up and they have no food. I'm stocked with ammo and hopefully y'all are too. Sooner or later it has to happen so bring it on.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
OhMy, 11/7/2012 7:33:10 PM (No. 8998074)
I agree that the cry baby is no leader and he will fold on the debt limit and not get any concessions from Obama on spending. The entire tarp and stimulus spending should be cut from the base line budget as a minimum.
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
SouthSanAntonio, 11/7/2012 7:56:10 PM (No. 8998113)
No deal. None. Just sit back and watch us go over the cliff.
I'm not kidding. The sheeple voted for 4 more years of NØbama. NØbama has been leading us to that cliff since the day he took office. Since the sheeple knew that and still voted for him, it would be unnatural to keep NØbama from going right where his ''leadership'' has been taking us for the last four years.
Over the cliff. Crash and burn, and take the rest of the world with us. I just don't freakin' care any more. The USA died on November 6, 2012. It's time to just bury the corpse and take our place as just another third-world cesspool. We can call it NØbamaville!!!
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Reply 55 - Posted by:
TXknitter, 11/7/2012 8:17:19 PM (No. 8998170)
If Pubbies actually keep Boehner as Speaker, or believe he is going to FIGHT, when he hasn't thus far then we are dead as a party.
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Reply 56 - Posted by:
hoosiergirl71, 11/7/2012 8:56:29 PM (No. 8998237)
I disagree on Boehner's plan...I say, let's just go on over the cliff. Everyone will pay the price instead of just Repubs. It's going to happen anyway, get it over with and when the dust settles, start over. Yes, it will be painful but I refuse to put more tax money in Obama's hand to waste, while we all struggle to cope with the financial horror of Ocare
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Reply 57 - Posted by:
mmdemimonde, 11/7/2012 9:00:20 PM (No. 8998242)
#36. ....what were WE supposed to do? we sent them,in good faith, to work for us. they failed us and so did everyone else. we will NEVER have the opportunity to elect another fiscal conservative....NEVER, we are finished and part of the blame should go to fools like akin and mourdock who were more concerned with abortion and birth control than the economy. we had a chance to replace akin, but we dug in even deeper. yes, the media betrayed us but we didn't have to make it so easy for them to do so. also, picking ryan as his veep cost us florida and lots of women's votes. choosing a woman as veep would have been a game change....nikki haley, susana martinez (i'm sure i could name others, but i'm shell shocked today). i don't know where we go from here.
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Reply 58 - Posted by:
Rumblehog, 11/7/2012 9:25:56 PM (No. 8998278)
Kick the can down the road, traitor.
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Reply 59 - Posted by:
sanchin, 11/7/2012 9:35:42 PM (No. 8998293)
The Republican party has been adrift since President Bush's second term (some may argue longer). There has not been effective leadership from any corner within the party, and Boehner's success has been his ability to consistently fail. He has accomplished nothing as Speaker. Every time Republicans fail to stop the Democrats from pushing their policy there is a loud mournful cry from many stating they are finally done with the Republican party (I must confess myself included). After some time the realization that 3rd parties can't work in the current system and so we come back willingly or grudgingly to support the Republican Elite's choice of a moderate, with the belief this time things will be different. And the cycle repeats!!
The Elected Republican Elite do NOT care one bit about YOU or me! They hate the Tea Party and truly believe Conservatives are the undesirable cousins they must tolerate during elections. These politicians have a job and they have a source of income for life. Plus they have great lifetime benefits. They will never be censored, they will always have protection and they will always be freer than us to do as they wish. Oh and obamacare doesn't impact them one bit. Even if they lose their next election they will be safe and secure unless they do something egregiously illegal and get CAUGHT! Emphasis on CAUGHT!
Boehner is happy to throw us under the bus behind closed doors. He will come out saying he did his best and we have to work together for the betterment and well being of the United States. Not doing so would be unpatriotic. Well, many will buy this and again in a few months stand behind the Republican party. It is very sad and the future is bleak indeed.
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Reply 60 - Posted by:
Trigger2, 11/8/2012 4:39:12 AM (No. 8998654)
Boehner is falling for the same demonrat trick. Raise taxes but the cuts never seem to come to pass, only more spending.
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Eva Longoria is backing up her beauty with a whole lot of brain. The actress graduated with a master´s degree Wednesday. Longoria, 38, took home a real degree (not an honorary one) in Chicano studies from Cal State Northridge, where she physically attended classes for three years, according to TMZ. "Big day today!!! Very excited to graduate for my master´s degree in Chicano studies! You´re never too old or too busy to continue your education!" the actress wrote on her Who Say site Wednesday, sharing loads of pics of her big day, posing with her family, cohorts and diploma.
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Why was the Department of Homeland Security monitoring Tea Party IRS demonstrations?
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American Thinker, by Sally Zelikovsky
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Posted By: magnante- 5/23/2013 8:09:21 AM
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What´s so interesting about 60 tea partiers protesting the IRS in San Jose, California on Tuesday, May 21st? The fact that this bit of information was conveyed to the protesters by a Department of Homeland Security officer who was also in attendance. What was a DHS agent doing at the San Jose Tea Party protest? (snip) they weren´t just spying on us in San Jose and monitoring us in San Francisco, they were watching us throughout the entire state
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The Mystery Night
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Politico, by Rich Lowry
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Posted By: RappVol- 5/23/2013 7:36:59 AM
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On “Fox News Sunday” last weekend, White House aide Dan Pfeiffer was asked about President Barack Obama’s whereabouts the night of the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi. This was the night when we lost our first ambassador in 30 years, and when three other Americans were killed in an attack that lasted all night long at multiple locations within the eastern Libyan city. Since the president is commander in chief, one would think where he was and what he did during such an event would be of obvious public concern.
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Darrell Issa: Lois Lerner lost her rights
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Politico, by Rachel Bade
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Posted By: JoniTx- 5/22/2013 3:34:05 PM
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House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said embattled IRS official Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights and will be hauled back to appear before his panel again. The California Republican said Lerner’s Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination was voided when she gave an opening statement this morning denying any wrongdoing and professing pride in her government service. “When I asked her her questions from the very beginning, I did so so she could assert her rights prior to any statement,” Issa told POLITICO. “She chose not to do so — so she waived.”
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Barack Obama is rapidly losing his halo
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Telegraph [UK], by Peter Foster
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Posted By: Attercliffe- 5/23/2013 1:35:55 AM
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Is the worm turning against Barack Obama? After four-plus years of being given the benefit of the doubt by the bulk of the US media, the President now suddenly feels more vulnerable. Today both the New York Times and the Washington Post have run prominent and angry editorials and columns slamming the administration for its attempt to criminalise a Fox News reporter James Rosen for working a State Department source to obtain a story. The "Rosen Affair"--as it is now known--is poisoning the well in Washington at an alarming rate for Mr Obama, with an indignant White House press corps
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