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Against Despair
National Review Online, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:supersid, 11/7/2012 11:35:21 AM

Let’s not kid ourselves, last night was a bad night. (Snip) The fact that Barack Obama was reelected and how he was reelected, can only be seen as dispiriting news for conservatives. That Mitt Romney got fewer votes than John McCain is dismaying on any number of levels. We were told, by strategists and by what seemed like common sense, that the McCain coalition was a floor for Romney to build up from. The possibility that it was in fact a ceiling is pretty awful to contemplate.

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The cause is only lost if you leave it and choose to never find it again, says Jonah.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 11/7/2012 11:39:21 AM     (No. 8996373)

This election was the "free stuff" party vs the "eat your vegetables" party.

Since the "free stuff" people don't see any problem with the gravy train continuing...they voted accordingly. Let's face it, it won't be a problem until we become Greece in about 4 years.

Snice this is already happening at the local and state level faster than the national level...you've seen gains in the states by Republican Governors and Legislatures first. Expect national gains to follow.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: michellewsc2, 11/7/2012 11:40:26 AM     (No. 8996378)

Soooo not interested Jonah! I don't think despair has set in yet.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: dman, 11/7/2012 11:43:45 AM     (No. 8996397)

We're not leaving politcs, Johah, only the GOP. There are times to spackle the drywall, and then there are times to tear it down. It's time to tear down the GOP and replace it. It's time to stop listening to the Establishment "experts". They have been proven wrong.

It's not time to quit: it's time to start anew. It's time for a new wine-skin.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Udanja99, 11/7/2012 11:44:14 AM     (No. 8996404)

It feels like September 11, 2001 all over again. That level of stunned disbelief. That feeling of sickness for my country.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Emmajustin, 11/7/2012 11:46:45 AM     (No. 8996414)

I had hoped we would come in from out in the wilderness.
I was wrong.
We have to face 7 times 70 years.
I am so sad.
We need a Reagan that is nice and talks sense.
We have to have someone that can explain that we can't keep passing out the freebies, and that it will hurt, but will get better.
I fear though that the welfare freebie types now rule.
I don't know whether to just hunker down and hide or to fight. But who to fight?
They own the schools, courts, legislatures, media etc.
I feel horrible for my sweet children.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Italiano, 11/7/2012 11:47:22 AM     (No. 8996419)

Let's face it. We stood athwart history and yelled "Stop," and got our asses run over by the Entitlement Train. The fact that that train is heading for a cliff with all on board and no brakes is very little consolation.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: michellewsc2, 11/7/2012 11:50:56 AM     (No. 8996426)

"The fact that that train is heading for a cliff with all on board and no brakes is very little consolation."

--Are you serious?? Bonner is running for re-election 2014 he's not about to "not" find common ground to further his political career and f*ck the nation. Remember: he's from OHIO

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Reply 8 - Posted by: rileysmom, 11/7/2012 11:51:05 AM     (No. 8996429)

I am over this country that I once loved. The takers have won. Well, we are takin' our money and offshoring it and strategizing how to pay as little to the takers as possible through what will become stranglehold taxation levels. You own it takers, just don't rely on me and my family anymore.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All, 11/7/2012 11:52:54 AM     (No. 8996434)

So the stupid party has essentially two options if it wants to survive as a viable alternative to the socialists;

1) Take off the kid gloves and go for broke. Make a principled stand and oppose the socialists at least on fiscal grounds. Pass a budget in the house and agree to NO MORE conintuing resolutions. Shut the govt. down if the senate doesn't agree. Shut it down. That's one sure way to cut spending. Make the case, loud and often, that the runaway irresponsible spending must stop or we will soon be the Greece of the western hemisphere. Show some stones. Go down fighting if it comes to that.

2) Sit back and tell the free-stuff crowd, "OK, you wanted socialism, you got it". Give oblamer all that he wants, tax increases and everything. Then be prepared to pick up the pieces when the economy tanks again. Maybe, just maybe, the electorate will wise up when that happens.

I prefer option 1. Otherwise I might just forget about the stupid party once and for all. They couldn't field a candidate to oust the weakest and worst president of my lifetime. Big time fail, again.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Emmajustin, 11/7/2012 11:53:00 AM     (No. 8996435)

#8 I am with you but don't know how.
I have a small biz and don't want to pay for freeloaders anymore.
I will take care of my family and my church.
The welfare babies can fend for themselves.
But how do I send it overseas? Where is it safe?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: plumnellie, 11/7/2012 11:57:24 AM     (No. 8996455)

Jonah has good points. I too am over the USA. It is not my country anymore sadly. Actually, as a Christian I am in the world but not of the world. So really, nothing has changed. I will just be more distant than I was to the country's direction. We can all remember when the downfall of our country began: when God was taken out of the schools. How long ago that was. We did not do anything but whimper. Why would the left not be empowered to take more and more of our freedom. We did not put up much of a fight. We have long been too focused on money and things. Now we will lose them. I see the future and it is full of redistribution and enslavement. Fortunately, I don't have to be a slave to anyone but the Lord. Our poor children and grandchildren. They can sure blame us for their loss of liberties.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 11/7/2012 11:57:55 AM     (No. 8996459)

Jonah is right, there is hope, but it's no longer a few months away. It's now at least a decade away (if at all).
Just think -
The SCOTUS is gone for a generation.
0bamacare is permanent
Dodd-Frank is permanent.
Our economic engine is beyond a major Mitt tune-up and will need an expensive complete overhall and that won't happen until the thing seizes and that's not going to be pretty or be evident to those in charge anytime soon. . . and by that time there may not be enough working parts to put the thing back together.

Sorry, I'm the eternal optimist, but not today.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: reilly, 11/7/2012 11:58:00 AM     (No. 8996460)


It's time for Atlas to shrug. I think I'm beyond caring. They own it, it will crumble, let it happen. Go play cards and keep safe.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: WAN2, 11/7/2012 12:00:28 PM     (No. 8996473)

Do not blame Willard, poor sod. Jesus Christ would have lost since He'd have promised fewer goodies than Obama.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: msjena, 11/7/2012 12:02:23 PM     (No. 8996481)

Reagan couldn't win in this current environment. What happened was unfathomable. Obama and the Democrats did better than Bill Clinton did in 2002. Fewer voters voted for Romney than did for McCain! Conservative Republicans like Mia Love lost in Utah! This is like a reverse of the miracle wins we saw with Bush in 2000 and 2004. It's actually kind of scary.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: MMC, 11/7/2012 12:03:03 PM     (No. 8996485)

I too may become an ex-pat... However, I think of the lady who was under House Arrest for 25 years.. She will become my role model for perserverance.

I am not going to start a business, will work hard, live debt free, and keep options open. I do not like the debt this country has accumulated.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: sunsong, 11/7/2012 12:07:24 PM     (No. 8996502)

The GOP is stupid! That's why they lost. The voters do NOT want what the GOP is selling. So what to do? Talk and listen to the people.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: RayLRiv, 11/7/2012 12:08:42 PM     (No. 8996509)

Positives, people. I like where Mr. Hanky was going with this.

What do we have left in the rubble?

* 30 out of 50 states under conservative / GOP control.

* A crop of young guns (Rubio, Ryan, Jindal, Haley, etc) who can help make the case for conservative principles to minorities and those who will eventually tire of Socialist overreach (DemoRATS WILL - it's a matter of time.)

* Middle America. Strengthen and rebuild from within and outward. As conservatives refuse to ascribe to, believe in, or follow what 'enlightened progressives' on either coast think is best for us. Cut out the rubbish passing for 'entertainment,' spend more time with things that DO matter - God, family, useful education.

* Embrace being a conservative guerilla. Progressive are now the majority - THE Establishment, if you will.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: rileysmom, 11/7/2012 12:10:47 PM     (No. 8996520)

#10, not sure how to do it, but am going to be investigating options seriously. Sure looks like the stock market is speaking, boy the sh.. is already hitting the fan. You go takers you go. I am John Galt.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: mickturn, 11/7/2012 12:13:00 PM     (No. 8996534)

Not to whine, but I feel that the voting machines were heavily rigged....now to prove it! There can't possibly be that many stupid people in the US!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: fljack, 11/7/2012 12:29:29 PM     (No. 8996606)

If it wasn't Obama, it would be someone just like him.

We did it to ourselves: in our culture; in allowing the complete takeover of our educational system by radicals to fully indoctrinate our children; in forgetting that 'feeeeellliiiings' is a poor way to govern.

We've given away our rights, piece by piece. Now we are in despair with no real way out. There are too few to fight with us.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: bluehouse, 11/7/2012 12:42:59 PM     (No. 8996679)

From the Marine's hymn lyrics: To the shores of Tripoli. That was almost 200 years ago. Good thing the Marines don't let their defeats defeat them or we would have no country. Our military has suffered devastating defeats many times. But they did not quit. Seal Team 6 did not take out Bin Laden for a president. They risked their lives for us. Suck it up, thank G-d for what you got, and get to work.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: laotzu, 11/7/2012 12:43:00 PM     (No. 8996680)

Thoughts running through my head this morning:

- The comment boards in recent years often lapse into citing how fascistic this administration is. At least the Euro fascism was a step toward order and functionality in the face of economic collapse. Yesterdays vote looks far more like afro-centric tribalism and a vote for a better seat at the trough -- while there is still a trough.

- Joe Biden has proven himself the world's best insurance against impeachment. They could find a dead boy in Obama's bed tonight and the nation would be reluctant to act for fear Joe Biden would someday become President.

- When a majority of Justices turn their back on original intent, there will be no governing principal that limits the federal government. They will do whatever they want, however they want. The only driving thought among politicians will be how to get a bigger piece of the pie.

- The market value of my firearms just rocketed. The focus now should be on buying used guns from private sellers so as to leave no public record of ownership.

- Gold, bullets and toilet paper are looking pretty good this morning .

- Time to study how whites survived, physically and economically, under Mugabe's ad hoc land confiscations in Zimbabwe.

- Where in the historical record is the model for stopping these cretons?. Have we sailed off the historical map? Are we in completely new waters?

- Russia's national debt is on the order of magnitued of $100 billion. That's the lowest in the G20.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: country boy, 11/7/2012 12:44:31 PM     (No. 8996687)

Voting machines were gamed. It's just a computer software change. Who will challenge??

Why any surprise. this is the guy with a photoshopped BC.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: get er done, 11/7/2012 12:58:06 PM     (No. 8996740)

I agree with posters @0 and 25 -- the voting machines were gamed, rigged. That many Republicans do not split their tickets to vote for a Republican House and a Dem faux president.

It is high time that that the House leadership "manned up" and exposed Obama's true identity/paternity, and then pursued a full investigation of the Benghazi massacre/terror attack.

Five hundred former flag rank officers endorsed Romney and 5 endorsed Obama. Obama is planning to severely cut military spending, as though he and his partner do no spend enough on entertaining and travel already.

This article should be titled "Against Disgust."

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Reply 26 - Posted by: starboard, 11/7/2012 1:05:49 PM     (No. 8996777)

I've been following the austerity programs going on in Europe and it's not pretty. Spain, one of the most progressive countries is a mess with talk of possible secession by the northern region where all the manufacturing is located. They are tired of supporting Madrid and Barcelona and all the pensioners and their baby booming population. We are not that far away from a similar situation here. The first people who will be screaming bloody murder when this happens will be the Unions and the Gimme Mine crowd.

I hope our young guns, especially Marco Rubio, will emerge as the true leaders we need to escape from the tyranny.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: Laotzu, 11/7/2012 1:37:39 PM     (No. 8996927)

With regard to the voting machine issue, compare your personal sense of your local electorate with yesterday's results in your locality. I can see that Obama lost 20% from 2008 in my locality. That is consistent with my subjective impression.

If there were shenanigans, I have to assume there was a rational business decision to limit their antics to the swing states. (Now if they could just apply the same rational decision making in how they rule our country.)

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Reply 28 - Posted by: kelty, 11/7/2012 1:41:07 PM     (No. 8996944)

@1

As long as you acknowledge that corporate banks are part of the "free stuff" party, getting basically free no interest money for the last four years and not passing it on to small businesses and personal loans, so grandma can get a few dollars interest on her retirment CDs, then yeah.

It's a vicious circle. The more you do that, the less the populace can survive in a private way, and the more they need "free" stuff just to get by.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 11/7/2012 4:05:40 PM     (No. 8997430)

Must agree with Jonah... Against Despair.
It's a choice...

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