The intelligence and security failings that surrounded the murders of four Americans in Libya are coming into focus as far more fundamental than depicted in jousting between Republican Mitt Romney and President Obama. (Snip)The President and Secretary of State Clinton said they take full responsibility — but for what, exactly, is unclear. So, too, the question of how much of the onus Obama intends to bear. After saying he accepts the burdens of office, he tried to skate by the mortal debacle by declaring, “When four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal.” No, it’s an outrage that demands accountability.
There is a deep and unacknowledged Obama political motivation behind Obama's stubborn weeks of lies about Benghazi. The same thing is true about the Al Qaeda linked 'work place violence' in Ft Hood Texas, that left 14 dead.
Obama believes that he and his teleprompter, with the aid of the complicit media, can simply change reality. Imagine a mob of outraged movie critics in Benghazi. Ignore that 'terrorism' is still a threat. Just ban the word 'terrorism'. Never mention the words Al Qaeda.
There is an incredible deadly arrogance to Obama. Obama demands that you believe his lies.
Tragically the threat reports were correct. In hindsight the threat was real and imminent. In reluctant defense of the Administration one should point out that regular reading of intelligence reports will cause the reader to down play threats as there is a steady stream of pending attacks that never materialize. It is easy to condemn after the fact when the one among many threats materialize.
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Bad Dog, 10/20/2012 7:56:02 AM (No. 8947417)
There have been references made to our Embassy flag - the American flag - being the last flag flying. Everyone else had pulled out.
Ponder the symbolism of this.....
America has ALWAYS been the last to leave, in any war or situation. First in, last out. And now -
Because of Obama and his crew, the American flag is down, al qaida's is up in Benghazi, and all because he wanted to play nice with the islamists.... thinking they believed he 'understood' them and would play nice in return.
So... just how well DOES he understand them? He allowed our ambassador - HIS OWN APPOINTEE - to be rendered defenseless in a highly volatile location with increasing risk and danger, and as a consequence four Americans are dead ('bumps in the road', 'not optimal') due to his carelessness, and the American flag is down and gone. Burned.
On Fox last night, Bret Baier had an outstanding special that recreated the exact sequence of events in Benghazi. It included interviews with the former head of our security detail that was pulled out of there before the attack.
The inescapable conclusion of this special report is that it was a planned terrorist attack, that the State Department was negligent in removing the security detail, and that multiple cables requesting help during the attack were ignored too long to save them.
Bottom line...the malfeasance here is so serious that the gratuitous and very late acceptance of blame is insufficient. Heads should roll. This was dereliction of duty of the highest order. Both the Secretary of State and the President are unfit to serve.
The Obama Administration's story surrounding the Benghazi Terrorist Attack has more holes than swiss cheese. When you look at the timeline presented by Ambassador Stevens and the Security Team in Libya, one has to wonder if that obscured movie trailer wasn't planted by the Administration as cover.
Obie thought he had the ear of his muslim buddies in Benghazi. He thought that his opportunistic foray to take out Kadaffi would buy him easy political points and another great speech behind the teleprompter.
While Nixon had to resign due to an 18-minute gap on a white house tape, not likely to happen to Obie because he has only a few months left in this job. After Romney is inaugurated in January, these Benghazi murders and the failings under Obie's administration will continue I suspect.
#6's reference to relying on intelligence reports reminded me of my times in the Middle East (Egypt and Saudi Arabia) - any American who has ever lived in these countries or spent any amount of time visiting them knows beyond all doubt two things:
1. When the locals get themselves worked up any American is potential game to be hunted down by inflamed mobs. 2. The only way to be safe from #1 is to have U.S. military protection, preferably Marines, or to get out until things calm down. "Local" security will, and does, invariably join the mob as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
The fact that our State Department doesn't know what travelers to these regions know has resulted in unnecessary deaths and a Middle East about to blow sky high. The fact that Obama either thought or pretended that a youtube video was the sole cause of this incident is proof that he is completely out of touch with how the world works and is quite capable of letting his misunderstanding lead to multiple wars and thousands of deaths rather than admit he is wrong. The U.S. economy is another fine example of his ignorance coupled with arrogance. Typhoid Mary has nothing on Bubonic Barack.
"Two years previously, Obama appointed Tom Donilon as Chair of the NSC to replace Marine Gen Jim Jones. Mr. Donilon, close to Joe Biden, was an attorney rich in experience of directing public retlations for governing bodies. No particular military, diplomatic, nor intelligence background, he is selected to lead the NSC. a White House organ, to whom the disinterested President Obama has delegated a good deal of his authority to direct the nation's security .....remember he did not attend the majority of the daily intelligence briefings. Engagement in Libya was attributed to be a victory for Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Smantha Powers at the NSC level.
In two years (appointed October 8, 2010) Tom Donilon appears to have been effective....suddenly leaks of classified information flattering the campaigning President appear....such as the triumphalism of Osama Bin Laden's assassination and the details of stuxnet cyberwar. Robert Gates in retiring from leading the DoD was quoted as telling Tom Donilon 'to shut the ......up'.
Now the stiffing of the bad news from Benghazi. Much of the difficulty in ferreting out the details of the Benghazi cover-up is failing to understand just how pervasive the NSC has been in manipulating official news releases. In autocracies, this role is reserved for the Minister of Propaganda....and Americans are not use to being so dishonestly treated.
Not an inadvertent 'screw-up' as Obama is now saying."
That's a pretty gentle assessment, #6. Just say "no" to more affirmative action forgiveness for administration dereliction. No more softballs! There was plenty of time for the US to take action, once the violence started in Benghazi.
The question still remains why this all unfolded the way it did. I could imagine as many as 4-5 ulterior motives along with the possibility of just general dereliction. It's hard to pinpoint.
The real question, the rub is, why did the key administration "players" call it a night, go to bed and allow those poor Americans to perish like that? It'll all come out in the wash eventually.
We do NOT leave Americans hanging like that, donkey swinging in the breeze, for target practice! How about that one brave US soldier who returned in a humvee again and again and again under heavy fire, to rescue that squad that had been hit in Iraq? That kind of bravery is beyond this president.
Obama is not capable of learning from experience. The word enemy is not in his vocabulary. Muslim brotherhood and Al Queda are enemies and prove it every day yet Obama clings to the ideas he had in his inaugural speech where we show them we mean no harm, open our hand and they will unclench their fist! He is far more worried by domestic political adversaries than foreign enemies. With this mindset in our C in C there is no point in having any military. That is why it is the only branch of government to ever be cut under Obama. Obama is what went wrong in Benghazi!
I don't think there is anything he can do now that will not look desperate to show strength. There are too many facts already out there, and testimony under oath before congress. We all saw the denials and lies on TV.. this isn't a story with facts that need to come out.. investigations that need to complete in a year or so, that will show details that can exonerate him. Kind of justice in a way. He got to power by using politics instead of having a love of country. And the one thing he didn't want to really deal with, is going to be the thing that brings him down.
What really went wrong in Bengazi is that we shouldn't have been in Bengazi or any other part of Libya in the first place. We foolishly helped replace a stable- although unfriendly- government in Libya with chaos... and that without approval by our Congress.
The article starts by mentioing intellegience failings, but when they warn the administration several days in advance that something appears to be planned, when the leader of Alqueda publicly calls for it, that Libya is Al Queda trouble, that there have been other attacks in Libya ... that's quite a bit of intelligence success and a lot failure by The Won who cares about other things. For cryng out loud, if you read the newspapers,you knew they were going to try something.
Is the accepted requirement that the CIA identify the time, place, people and particulars of attack before Obama has to do something? I reject the failed intelligence narrative as any kind of excuse or reason whatsoever.
It would appear that if you're in Libya and have at least recently been trying to do what the U.S has been asking - you can be Quadaffi or you can be Stevens - but if Obama's involved, you're dying from an Islamic bayonet where the sun don't shine. The fruits of Obama policy are something to behold.
This really goes to the heart of what America needs in the Commander in Chief. It's not someone who just looks cool in a leather bombardier jacket with the presidential seal on it. What is needed is someone with both the judgment and the readiness to act quickly when American lives are in danger. And clearly, this series of events over several weeks confirms that Obama has failed his principal duties as Commander in Chief.
I've been following this tragedy very closely. Allow me to offer a thought-provoking timeline:
* Sep 5 - An Egyptian TV station shows a segment of the anti-Muhammed video. * Sep 11 - Before the attack on the Cairo embassy even begins, the U.S. embassy puts out a despicable apology e-mail apologizing for the video. * Romney responded to that e-mail before the news of Benghazi even broke * The administration caused the e-mail to disappear down the memory hole almost immediately * When Benghazi happened, the administration immediately - AND INTENTIONALLY - connected it to the video. *This accomplished at least three goals: 1. It allowed Obama to once again come down on the side, and in defense of, Islam. 2. In hyping the spontaneous mob story, it covered the Administration's specious claim that al-Qaeda was "decimated" and "on the run." 3. It attempted to cover for the disgusting lack of security in Libya. * Obama chose to treat this as a criminal issue. His DOJ ordered the FBI to investigate. It took more than two weeks before the FBI even got to Benghazi * This was a deliberate delaying tactic to push the issue beyond the election. * Clinton did a similar delaying move when the U.S.S. Cole was attacked on Oct 12,2000, to help Al Gore. http://tinyurl.com/8ufznsr
I am no fan of radical Islam, but I have serious misgivings about sending a homosexual (Libya) and a female (Egypt) to represent U.S. interests in these homophobic and misogynist countries. [Note that the female U.S. Ambassador was not even in the Cairo Embassy on Sept 11, 2012. I wonder why not.]
Even those of us with the strongest stomachs are going to hurl when the truth about this administration finally comes out. AND IT WILL.
What really went wrong in Benghazi is that in 2008 the American Idol Addicted Takers went to the polls and elected a Quasi-Muslim Marxist who has been shoveling Bravo Sierra down our throats, and playing golf for the last three+ years.
I want to know how much information about the previous terrorist attacks at Benghazi was reported in the Daily Briefs that the Marxist ignored, and instead, spent time on the golf course, and being feted by Ghetto Thug Rappers, with his hand out, begging for money so he can get reelected and finish the job of destroying the nation.
I want to know exactly what intelligence the Marxist was ignoring that got four Americans killed in Benghazi.
It seems to me, that's question that's not being asked. What was it? 46% of the daily briefs that 0b@$tard ignored?
Al-Quaeda has flown their black flag over our embassies in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya. Gaza, West Bank and Syria in flames. Iran making a bomb. Remember the unpunished Somali Pirates? Obama is good for Muslims. Vote for the American this year.
What went wrong in Benghazi was Obama's anti-American Middle East Foreign policy. He encouraged the Arab spring which was suppose to bring 'peace' and 'Democracy' throughout the Middle East. The problem is they are replacing Arab dictators with Islamic Extremists who are no better than the dictators. On the eleventh anniversery of 9/11, Americans were murdered, and the Benghazi embassy went up in flames. When that happened, Obama's anti-American foreign policy went up in flames, but Obama does not want to abandon it, and he is lying through his teeth to protect it and himself.
There was probably no security at the embassy because our anti-American state department was more sympathetic to our enemies than our own people, and thought Americans either should not be there or were safe if they kept a low profile.
When Oblamer & PIAPS, the 2 most corrupt polititions of our generation are in charge bad stuff will happen. I hope Mitt ask him why pResident defacto Jarrett has SS protection & ambassador Stevens was given squat although he was begging for it for months up until the day he was murdered.
They can study this situation to death but it has been obvious since 9/11 what al Qaeda did. They mounted a coordinated attack using heavy weapons and they accomplished their objective, which was destruction and murder of American officials and security people.
As for what the U.S. Government did, it will turn out to be one version or another of extremely stupid foreign policy that will be a contender for the Jimmy Carter Charlie Foxtrot award. That's all we need to know.
Right on, right on, right on #25. Perhaps Monday night's debate will shed more light on what the Once thinks about this. His appearances all over TV on Letterman and those other "intellegent" programs does show how he likes to appear intellegent and in charge. Ugh.
We found out in the last encounter with Obama that Romney has a handle on economics and how it works. Obama's economic thinking is absolutely wrong and naive'
His foreign policy suffers for the same reason(and also Hillary for promting it) His policy was so bad that he had to lie about it and then sent others out to do the same.
Any type of October Surprise will fall with a thud because no one believes him or thinks his policies are successful. Is there anyone left on the planet that thinks he is competent? Not many.
Øbama thought by keeping our ambassador in Benghazi defenseless would show our enemies we meant no harm and they should be nice to us. He wants to apply this same crazy thinking to all Americans by gutting our nuclear arsenal and leaving us defenseless to our enemies and they will be nice to us? We need to get this crazy man out of our White House ASAP.
There is something very sinister in play here. Did Obama make a private agreement with The Muslim Brotherhood before intervening in Libya? The whole intervention in Libya struck me as bizarre from the very beginning. He's had their leadership at the White House for God sake. WHY would any American president do such a thing? They hate and want to kill us as the four dead Americans know only too well. We need to start connecting the dots starting at the beginning of our involvment with this third world cess-pool country.
Actually, Romney should NOT latch on to the "not optimal" thing. When put in context, Obama was responding to Jon Stewart's comments about "optimal security", or some such. Obama's response was kind of sarcastic, "well, when you have 4 Americans dead, it's not optimal". If Romney were to use it, it would end up backfiring because the context makes it clear that, FOR ONCE, he wasn't trying to be flip or callous. I'll try to find the context again....
Also watch Judge Jeanine. She had a host of military experts, previous station chiefs and the CIA on. SOP and methods debunk Obama admin assertions.
Sadly, we could've had the cavalry there in a matter of a few hours...and the drone that was there while it all went down likely could have suppressed the Jihadists until military Rapid Response got there. The outrage also includes why generals, the CIA director (Petraeus) and so many others are mute.
Heads must roll over this debacle...Watergate pales in comparison. Obama lied; people died!
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