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Topic: Desperate and dirty! Obama goes for jugular in ugly clashes with Romney during fiery debate - but will it turn round his ailing campaign? |
Desperate and dirty! Obama goes for jugular in ugly clashes with Romney during fiery debate - but will it turn round his ailing campaign?
Daily Mail [UK], by Toby Harnden, Hugo Gye
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Posted By:Attercliffe, 10/17/2012 5:05:26 AM
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| A bristling Barack Obama went on a relentless attack in the second presidential debate, but his rival Mitt Romney gave no ground as the two men clashed repeatedly during angry and at times electric exchanges on Tuesday night. Clearly arriving with a different game plan after his lacklustre performance in Denver two weeks ago, Obama assailed Romney on his tax rate, his tax plan, his stance on the auto bailout, women’s rights and his plans to stand up to China. And this time he didn’t shy away from personal assaults on Romney’s wealth, his record at Bain
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Comments: The intervention by Crowley, siding with Obama on whether or not he referred to the Benghazi attack as a terrorist attack, had to have been arranged beforehand or, at the very least, anticipated by Crowley. It was just too pat. Even if it wasn't, she should not have stood in his corner. The Telegraph was quick to point out at the end of the debate that Crowley afforded Obama more time than Romney.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Deedo, 10/17/2012 5:45:01 AM (No. 8939156)
When pressed on who and why more security was withheld from the Benghazi consulate after repeated requests, the President got all indignant about Romney politicizing the tragedy. Then, without breaking a sweat, Obama brags about how he killed Osama Bin Laden (surely that's not political s/o).
Worse yet, Obama is bragging that the tireless action of countless intelligence officials, the military and especially Seal Team 6 don't count; that Obama gets all the credit personally. He claims credit for the deeds of others.
In stark and quiet contrast, Romney has countless personal acts of charity and humanitarianism that he actually did do, and never, ever discusses them, for he does these acts not for personal glory. If Obama gave to charity, he would undoubtedly keep reminding us. Obama may soon brag about the Girl Scout cookies he once bought.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Kurto, 10/17/2012 6:01:41 AM (No. 8939164)
The good ship 0bama hit an iceberg about two weeks ago, the whole side is ripped open, it has lost it's momentum, and it is going down slowly. Things will get much uglier before it settles on the bottom. By next week, the left will see that nothing can save the ship or the captain.
Three weeks until the election. The end of the 0bama's tyranny is in sight!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
lazyman, 10/17/2012 6:43:13 AM (No. 8939218)
Thought Mitt did well considering it was two to one against him when you count the fat lady.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
PChristopher, 10/17/2012 6:48:57 AM (No. 8939222)
Obama is more in his element when engaging a sympathetic mob...uh, town hall audience....sorry. I'll be curious to see how he does in the last debate when the format is supposed to be the same as the first.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
bmw50, 10/17/2012 6:59:10 AM (No. 8939240)
Obama is all about perception. But perception is not reality and that is where Obama fails. Notice what all the taking heads are saying; nothing about the substance of what Obama says, just how "HE'S BACK", how well he fought, and using terms like "jugular" "firey" and "turned around his ailing campaign" (words from the title of this article). If Obama gained ground, he did so because Romney blew past a couple of barn-door wide opportunities and failed to capitalize on them. Obama has nothing to make this country better, period. Obama is a small man with no character and a perverted ideology on how to run a country. His government was and always will be about Chicago croney politics, nothing more.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
kayjaymac, 10/17/2012 7:05:06 AM (No. 8939245)
He didn't SAY anything, but he didn't say it even louder than in the first debate.
All I heard was blah blah blah from him.
It was excruciating to watch. The worst part was his pleading, ''Candy, Candy..." whenever Mitt went a little long or he wanted to interrupt.
Like a toddler pulling on his mom's skirt to get her attention to tattle on his brother.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Lala, 10/17/2012 7:10:12 AM (No. 8939252)
It's a shame Obama is not as aggressive with Americas enemies. I am praying that Mitt asks him what he meant when he told the Russians that he would be more flexible after the election. I thought it was treasonous then and I still think it is treasonous.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff, 10/17/2012 7:14:29 AM (No. 8939258)
I gave this one an hour before I bailed out for the Yankees game. He did just what I expected - more energized and aggresive, but ugly, negative, pompous, arrogant, dishonest. I will give Barry credit for finally producing something shovel ready, because he was shovelling it deep last night. The questions from the bimbo undecided were inane, and the Phat Candy tag teaming with Barry was par for the course. May she never be allowed to moderate another debate again. Credit Mitt for holding his own against this nonsense.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
suziesuburbanite, 10/17/2012 7:21:46 AM (No. 8939271)
A most petulant performance
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Rob_NC, 10/17/2012 7:27:48 AM (No. 8939283)
..Mitt still gets my bet....but sadly the margin of victory tells me this a really sick country..
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
StormCnter, 10/17/2012 7:54:59 AM (No. 8939344)
I'm sending the governor yet another donation this morning. He may not really need my money, but the action sure makes me feel I'm helping.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
LZK, 10/17/2012 7:55:16 AM (No. 8939345)
WE all knew going into this debate crowley was in obama's corner -- so what's new?
President Romney looked "Presidential" -- and explained his plan to get America moving again....
LZK
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
gwmcclintok, 10/17/2012 7:59:39 AM (No. 8939363)
Well, I saw the Islam ring was pointedly visible again. I watched Mitt do a great job about his economic plan. I laughed as Obama scurried off back to his stool when Mitt confrontd him about his turn to speak, making Obama look like a wimp(perception). I listened to Mitt make a great argument as to why he is not like Bush. He made Obama look little and silly. Great job Mr. Romney.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Grambo, 10/17/2012 8:02:54 AM (No. 8939372)
Crowley didn’t disappoint with her partisan performance and choice of audience questions. All thorugh the interview I couldn’t take my eyes off those huge scars on the left side of Obama’s head. I kept wishing Romney would say, “By the way, Mr. President, where did you (or Bari Shabbaz) get those scars?”
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Mermaid1, 10/17/2012 8:05:31 AM (No. 8939378)
Whose idea was it to have Meatloaf moderate this debate?
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Raristotle, 10/17/2012 8:11:57 AM (No. 8939392)
OP--I thought the same thing (that Crowley's intervention was prepared beforehand). Right after Crowley defending Obama's lie, the television camera went to crowd-shot. Michelle Obama, herself, was leading the instant applause.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Newtsche, 10/17/2012 8:25:42 AM (No. 8939422)
Favorite moment, Obama to Romney --
"Yours is bigger than mine." (laughter)
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Holeymoses, 10/17/2012 8:30:06 AM (No. 8939432)
Don't think he's gained a thing more than a few pats on the back by his media. Physically he looks underfed. The Chicago dudes have a name for it. They call it "the slims." They've seen it before.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
saucy, 10/17/2012 8:30:40 AM (No. 8939433)
First came LIE after LIE after LIE - then Bamster's whiney voice, his scatterbrained logic, his recollections from years on the teleprompter and finally the flashes of bitter anger followed immediately with a broad evil smile.
All - very offputting. Signs of a looser.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
3XALADY, 10/17/2012 8:31:10 AM (No. 8939435)
@16 I've seen comments this morning that Candy Crowley spent Sunday at the White House. It's fairly obvious. So true, #10 and so funny, #15.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
hadass23, 10/17/2012 8:37:17 AM (No. 8939447)
Obama, just like the Black Panthers who blocked white voters from the polls in 2008, Obama tried to intimidate and bully Romney last night. Mitt Romney is made of sterner stuff than liberal liars.
Romney won the debate because Mitt exposed Obama's failures in the economy, increasing deficits, and high unemployment.
70,000,000 Americans heard last night the plight of 23,000,000 million unemployed who are are looking for work to support our families. Republicans can help create work while Democrats insist on more tax and spend policies which has bankrupted the USA.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
This9, 10/17/2012 8:38:28 AM (No. 8939451)
When Romney got in BO face about energy. He was great. He absolutely made BO very small. Physically and mentally dominating our unqualified POTUS
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
stryker714, 10/17/2012 8:43:18 AM (No. 8939467)
Right #13. I was on the lookout for that ring but was not watching on a hd tv-could not discern. The camera team must have known the story, b/c whenever they framed Obama in the camera, with ring prevalent, they quickly changed shots/cameras so no time to analyze. Obama never carried the microphone in his left hand, which would have made his ring hand easier to see.
Did anyone hear the audience seem to gasp when Obama was talking about the price of gas? When he said, "we aren't going back to that....era"? He said the reason gas was low under Bush was b/c of the lousy economy! Ha! I'm sure the Saudi Royal family has nothing to do with it! Kickbacks couldn't possibly be the reason it's high. /s off.
When asked about F&F, Obama threw a herring about Romney voting for/not some gun law, then changed the subject to education.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Freeloader, 10/17/2012 8:49:38 AM (No. 8939492)
Turn around Obama's ailing campaign? This debate confirmed again what any reasonably prudent man or woman, who has been paying attention the last six-years, has known all along.......Barry is simply an undocumented, dishonest, petty, professional street agitator who has never held a regular job in the real world and doesn't have a clue!
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
NorthernDog, 10/17/2012 8:53:06 AM (No. 8939503)
CNN had a poll that asked if undecided viewers changed their minds about whom to vote for after the debate. 25% moved to Obama, 25% moved to Romney, and the rest were unmoved. Obama only slowed his decent.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
fed-up, 10/17/2012 8:54:16 AM (No. 8939506)
Romney missed so many opportunities though. I was hoping to hear him mention all the failed green energy plants that wasted tax payer money. WE have heard the same talking points now for every debate. The last debate he must hone in on the juglar. Repeat as necessary, wasted money, emtpy chair foreign policy, lies on Lybia.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
dman, 10/17/2012 9:21:54 AM (No. 8939593)
NerØbama obviously had similar debate prep to what Biden had, with similar effect. Watching him simply reminded me of Uncle Joe.
Yes, there were missed opportunities and unforced errors on both sides, as well as a bad call by a corrupt "referee". Unlike a sporting event, however, the "game" didn't end when the clock ran out. Victory or defeat will be determined not by points and rules, but by the credibility of the candidates. That process continues through NOvember 6th.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Eheu Fugaces, 10/17/2012 9:26:27 AM (No. 8939609)
Sorry. I turned the thing off about 9:20 pm, being unable to stand Obama's fusillade of jive b.s., not to mention the sound of his voice. Glad to read Romney held his own, however.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
beca, 10/17/2012 9:26:44 AM (No. 8939610)
lies dont win debates and o told plenty of them
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
saurkrut, 10/17/2012 9:31:12 AM (No. 8939622)
I find it truly disturbing that anyone reviewing this administration's record for the past four years, and who has true love for this country would even consider voting for this affirmative action president.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
bpl40, 10/17/2012 9:52:10 AM (No. 8939683)
Why was Benghazi held till the end of the debate? So Poison Candy could step in and declare the debate over if things got out of hand. If you don't see an Axelrod/Crowley inter connect here look me up to sell you a bridge.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
pineledger, 10/17/2012 9:56:19 AM (No. 8939698)
17, did he really say that?
After Duh Wun's middle-finger salutes and his previous history of tacky double entendres, it would not surprise me in the least.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
privateer, 10/17/2012 10:09:40 AM (No. 8939748)
I wish some gifted cartoonist like Ramirez et. al. would draw one of : a toddler-sized Zero, hanging onto a mother's skirt wailing :Candy, Candy!"
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
trapper, 10/17/2012 10:10:09 AM (No. 8939750)
"That tense moment saw the audience burst into a round of applause - despite rules meant to restrict any displays of partisanship from the crowd."
Nope. That was MICHELLE. Not the audience. She was clapping very loudly in an obvious attempt to get others to join in. Real Clear Politics has the tape.. Watch the bottom of the screen:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/17/michelle_obama_broke_agreed_upon_rules_clapped_at_debate.html
However, while people talk about Crowley and Libya and the WSJ editorializes about Obama not having a plan, everyone seems to have misssed what I believe was the most important statement of the night, made by Obama during his closing. Obama again stated that everyone is "entitled to their fair share."
NO, we are NOT. Neither America nor Christianity has ever been about guaranteeing outcomes. Neither America nor Christianity has ever been about making sure everyone gets the same size piece of the pie. No one is ENTITLED to a FAIR SHARE. That's socialism.
And if the Wall Street Journal's editorial writers want to know what Obama's plan is, they need look no further than that statement to divine it. It says all you need to know about his ideology and his intentions.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
TinCan, 10/17/2012 10:37:04 AM (No. 8939844)
#26 et al, Not missed opportunties; saving the good stuff for the last "Hoo - Rah" Monday. Broadsides, expend all ammo!
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
Butch59, 10/17/2012 11:18:36 AM (No. 8939980)
The wife and I were out last night, so we missed most of the debate, but did get home in time to see the last part about Libya. I simply couldn't believe my ears when Obozo said that he did call the attackers "terrorists" and was even more astounded when the fat lady jumped in to back him up. Do these people really believe that we can't simply call up the speech and read it for ourselves? And I was disappointed when Romney didn't come back and state exactly what Obozo did say.
Overall, the portion that I did see, Romney was capable and did a good job. But, as I read the morning headlines, the whole thing is being reported as I expected. If you are a Dims, Obozo hit one out of the park (he didn't) and if you are a Republican, then Romney came out on top. As many of us here at LCom, I will wait until Nov. 6 (or 7th) to see how the majority view all of this.
Lastly, here's praying the Mitt CAN slam one out of the park next Monday.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
zbogwan2, 10/17/2012 11:19:56 AM (No. 8939984)
Gov. Romney pointed out all of Obamas broken promises and the true condition of the economy under Obamas watch. Same was devastating at the least. Obama just sang the same old out of tune songs,so to speak.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
rileysmom, 10/17/2012 11:32:54 AM (No. 8940017)
Obama was a racist!! When speaking of illegal immigrants with criminal records, he threw out the "gang banger" phrase. Racist! Doesn't he know that Hispanics and Blacks think that phrase is code for them? I think he should apologize immediately!! s/
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
lylacat, 10/17/2012 11:50:20 AM (No. 8940077)
I was happy to see the Luntz focus groups see all the wonderful potential in Romney after the debate. Unlike the owners of "0bama phones," all these people who possess these FREE phones used them to Tweet they want to kill Romney, because they might lose their Food Stamps and Free Phones. How sick has this society become?
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
Newtsche, 10/17/2012 12:11:37 PM (No. 8940147)
Yes, #32, in talking about financial portfolios, a lame attempt to point out Romney's wealth.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
mathman, 10/17/2012 12:26:14 PM (No. 8940180)
With Obama, what you see is what you get. His promises? We know now he will not keep them. His opinions? We know now that he makes them up. His own history? It's the fault of Bush. Jobs? The fault is in the rascally Republicans. Energy? we must believe in his vision, despite his manifest ability to see nothing. Petulant, whining, constantly tugging on the skirt of the moderator, cannot hold his own, running on an empty record. What a waste of egg and sperm!
Should be the permanent end of affirmative action.
And, by the way, blame Bush. And the typhoon. And the Euro crisis. And those nice Muslims who refuse to believe that he is a nice guy. And those intelligence folks at State who messed everything up. And any other straw man he can think of. Excuse me. I mean, that his advisors can think of, since he doesn't think (he is so smart he does not need to think).
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
formerlyphelps, 10/17/2012 12:33:27 PM (No. 8940203)
FTA: “And Obama even suggested that his rival would lower gas prices only by taking the economy to 'the verge of collapse'.”
0-bama actually stated the reason gas prices were $1.86 when he took office was because the economy was so terrible. He then elaborated that gas prices are high now because he has expanded oil and gas production and the economy is recovering.
So to 0-bama high prices = good economy, low prices = economic crisis. No one in the audience laughed at this absurd economically illiterate notion.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp, 10/17/2012 12:34:40 PM (No. 8940208)
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp, 10/17/2012 12:36:33 PM (No. 8940215)
It was all over when the fat lady sang. The debate was rigged. I'll bet Obama knew every single question ahead of time.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
mickturn, 10/17/2012 1:01:20 PM (No. 8940268)
The nastiness in the man comes out. He has absolutely nothing to run on so he gets into a snit and disrespects everything and everyone. Yea, we need to give this bad actor another 4 years...yea, right! Oh, he lies about almost everything.......
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
simple simon, 10/17/2012 1:22:33 PM (No. 8940331)
Last night I go this feeling that Romney's eyes have been opened and he is no longer fighting for an election but rather fighting for justice and righteousness. It's flipped from a competition in his eyes to a battle against evil - I think he really gets it now and that steel jaw against Obama is real.
I'm personally more encouraged than ever before about the right man in the right place at the right time - can you imagine if we had a 'politician' in there fighting for us right now?
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
butch, 10/17/2012 2:15:59 PM (No. 8940474)
#3 nails it. Mitt Romney had to debate two opponents last night, and he did pretty darned well.
Candy Crowley disgraced herself with her "correction" of Gov. Romney's statement about Libya with that ridiculous bit about Obama's Sept. 12 announcement in the Rose Garden when Obama actually used the word "terror." (No matter that the entire administration lied for weeks thereafter about what happened in Libya.)
Ms. Crowley telling Gov. Romney to sit down was crass and rude.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
bighambone, 10/17/2012 4:33:49 PM (No. 8940789)
Look, Obama's entire campaign is premised on calling Romney names and trashing sound business oriented proposals that Romney has made to get the economy back on track and create millions of new jobs. Obama has no economic plan of his own that he can speak of, other then borrowing money from China and then spending it, thus further ramping up the deficit.
Obama has perfected rhetoric designed to make his socialist oriented policies look seemingly reasonable to the uninformed, but anyone with a brain and an education has figured out that socialism, no matter how Obama describes it, in terms of "fairness" and "giving everybody an equal shot" has never worked anyplace where it has been tried, because the socialists have failed to answer the question, what do they do when they run out of everyone else's money?
This is a very important election indeed!
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
larryp, 10/17/2012 4:34:12 PM (No. 8940790)
so what is Obama going to say about the Muslim man that wanted to blow him up? that he is a nice guy but mis-directed?
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
gone2pot, 10/17/2012 5:23:28 PM (No. 8940887)
#15 get it right and stop insulting Mrs. Jabba the Hut
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
Ida Lil, 10/17/2012 5:50:01 PM (No. 8940922)
#49 that man( stupid 18 year old) may have plotted to blow up the NY fed bank but the Obama was the first target addition is merely a quick wag the dog ploy to gain sympathy for an endangered Obe. Poor dog may become lunch if it doesn't work..
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
Charactercounts, 10/17/2012 6:08:24 PM (No. 8940949)
Candy Crowley was obnoxious and obviously partisan. If Obama needs her help to win a debate, he's showing his weakness vs. Romney.
#47, Of course Crowley was crass and rude to Mr. Romney when she told him to sit down. She will, however, remember that tiny "victory" with satisfaction for the rest of her life.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy, 10/17/2012 9:08:51 PM (No. 8941159)
While Romney could have made the empty chair statement last night, may as well save it for next week and really go for Obie's jugular.
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
danu, 10/17/2012 11:57:24 PM (No. 8941380)
All the interactions between Blubbing Barri and his Dear block-and-tackle Mummy, the questions, the Michelle outburst, the handy-dandy Rose Garden transcript all point to the fact that they had the entire bit 'wired'.
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An attorney whose firm represents two Benghazi whistleblowers said Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, lied to the Senate when he said there was never a “stand down” order during the Benghazi attack on Sept. 11, 2012. “What was fascinating is that he explained his lie to them,” Joe DiGenova, an attorney representing one of the whistleblowers, told CNSNews.com. “He actually said they were sent to Tripoli. They were needed in Benghazi,” said DiGenova, a former U.S. attorney, now with the Washington firm of DiGenova & Toensing.
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Barbara Walters Defends Maher Calling Trig Palin Retarded: ‘I Don´t Think He Intended it to be Mean-Spirited’
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Newsbusters, by John Nolte
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Posted By: JoniTx- 6/17/2013 5:19:02 PM
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As NewsBusters reported last week, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin called out vulgarian comedian Bill Maher for referring to her Down Syndrome son Trig as "retarded." On ABC´s The View Monday, co-host Barbara Walters astonishingly defended Maher saying, "I don´t think he intended it to be mean-spirited" (video follows with transcript and commentary): WHOOPI GOLDBERG: At a recent standup show in Las Vegas, comedian Bill Maher apparently called Sarah Palin’s five-year-old developmentally-challenged son Trig retarded. And Sarah blasted him on Twitter as a bully. Is that, is it, is he a bully? Is he a bad, what is he?
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Jeb Bush labels conservative critics ‘the chirpers’
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Washington Post, by Aaron Blake
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Posted By: KarenJ1- 6/17/2013 1:22:30 PM
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Jeb Bush says he’s not worried that his work toward comprehensive immigration reform and his ties to the GOP establishment will alienate conservatives and negatively impact a potential 2016 presidential campaign, referring to critics as “the chirpers.” “If I decide to run for office again, it will be based on what I believe, and it will be based on my record,” the former Florida governor said in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody. “And that record was one of solving problems completely from a conservative prospective.” Bush (R) pointed to his conservative
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Obama: You Can´t Fathom ´Complexities´ of Syria Policy ´If You Haven´t Been in Situation Room´
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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper
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Posted By: Desert Fox- 6/18/2013 5:30:04 PM
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Charlie Rose last night asked President Obama his new Syria policy. The president first objected to it being called a new policy. "I´m not sure you can characterize this as a new policy. This is consistent with the policy that I´ve had throughout," he said. Obama then explained the goal is regional stability, and especially in Syria. "Really, what we´re trying to do is take sides against extremists of all sorts and in favor of people who are in favor of moderation, tolerance, representative government, and over the long-term, stability and prosperity for the people of Syria," said Obama.
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