Lance Armstrong’s fall from grace has been widely described as the tragedy of an athlete who succumbed to the temptation of doping to enhance performance out of competitive zeal. Now, though, the all-American boy is unmasked as a species far worse than the Olympians and baseball players who have boosted speed and strength via chemistry. He is a fraud to the jazzed-up marrow of his bones. He is a bald-faced liar to the public and under oath to investigators. And he is a thug who attempted to conceal his systemic cheating with threats and intimidation. So says the United States Anti-Doping Agency
Comments: We have no further money to pursue Armstrong as this piece suggests. Surely, his very public humiliation is sufficient.
From what I understand, after reading about doping in Smithsonian magazine, the blood would be tested for whatever drugs they had the ability to test for at the time. The athletes are always one step ahead of the labs, though, and are constantly trying newer and newer drugs. The problem for the athletes is that the authorities KEEP the blood, so even if it's clean of today's dope, they can test it years down the road for other dope that has been used for years but for which there was no test until the present time.
The New York Daily News is not a "Marxist" paper. It is an old line Irish liberal paper and always has been. Lupica is just one writer and he thinks like a knee jerk lefty not a communist. The News carries many right of center writers.
I don't know what to believe. Armstrong loves the sport and dedicated most of his life to it. Also has done wonderful things with helping cancer victims. I will wait for the proof. Someone is mad at Armstrong and has an axe to grind. Maybe some of his cancer medicine interferred in some way with tests?
I am not defending doping or Armstrong. But, I am tired of hearing about it for two reasons:
1. It is my understanding that no one can compete in elite cycling without doping because it is so rampant. If you do not participate in the practice, you get eliminated because your performance is not adequate. 2. If we worried about something important as much as we worried about cyclists and their bodily fluids--wouldn't that be grand.
Lance submitted to anytime/anywhere tests 500 times and passed them all. The USADA can apparently say anything they want to say with no restraints. As far as 'being one step ahead of the investigators' when the rules are constantly changing, that one step was called 'compliance'. That is "Sure, you followed all the rules we told you about... but did you know we created double secret probation?"
If you look down the list of all the cyclists who have stepped forward to admit they were doping, it's essentially a Who's Who of cycling. It certainly doesn't instill confidence in the sport's ability to monitor such use, nor in the character of its top participants.
As for Armstrong, it's sad to see the self-destruction of the epic, now mythic, image of the sport's greatest hero. His tale would seem best told by Aeschylus or Sophocles.
I could care less about performance enhancing drugs in professional bicycling-or any other sport for that matter. Lance Armstrong deserves a big 'attaboy' for his work with cancer patients, but his morals are a whole 'nother thing. I'm never overly fond of those who can't keep it their pants-male or female. Mrs. Cow
Armstrong did not pass every test he was given. He failed several but were covered up by the sport's governing body, UCI.
He bribed them.
His actions go beyond cycling. When he was being investigated by the DOJ for fraud and misusing taxpayer money, he had a meeting with Barbara Boxer. Soon thereafter, Livestrong gave Planned Parenthood (one of Boxer's pet programs) a donation of $100,000. Less than 30 days later, Boxer's friend and US Attorney Andre Birotte dropped the case - unilaterally with no input from the investigators.
He harassed and intimidated witnesses and intimidated the wife of one witness.
The testicular cancer he got? May have been brought about by his doping in the early 90s. At least that's what his doping doctor Michele Ferarri thought.
Not really sure what to believe - but I don't think I've seen any smoking guns from the USADA - just words so far - from people that could have an ax to grind or so other movitiations for saying things. Seems to me like they have put Lance in a stitation of being guilty until he proves his innocence - which is impossible - his only proof is the 500 tests he took - which they say really is not important to this case.
The Tour de France was only a sport designed to train the French armed forces in the art of personal high speed retreat away from German tanks on the way to, well anywhere the Huns weren't.
Since I made that up, I better get to Armstrong who never tested positive. It looks to me like the other bike riders cheated because they couldn't come close to him without being juiced up higher than hippies in the 60's. Envy is a terrible thing and makes people lie.
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Douglas DC, 10/11/2012 8:22:56 AM (No. 8925080)
#25 exactly. Doping with steroids causes TC I saw three young men die from it. All doping for football in College and high school... One back in the early 70's. When I turned out for football I quit the team (this is High School.) because I refused to take Steroids... Lance deserves what he gets for what he has done.. Never mentioned that until now..
Gee, as a kid I saw those ads that touted in order to be stronger and better at any physical activity/sport one tried, you needed to work out, eat right, etc. Then "extracts" came forward to "enhance" your capabilities. The game kept getting more "micro" in how the body works and how you could "help" the body perform to it's "Maximum Potential" in your sport.
On the other side were a group of people who wanted everything to be "natural" in these sports.
They set up a governing body with "state of the art" tests. Pass or fail became that reality.
Armstrong played the game, their game too and won...repeatedly...on a world stage with world players and world judges and world tests!
He tested positive at least six times. His blood from 2009 and 2010 indicates doping and transfusions.
That blood evidence, in addition to hard evidence like e-mails and financial records, plus the testimony of 26 people (not all of whom were riders) all add up. Some of these people testified in front of a Federal Grand Jury. Why would they risk going to jail for jealousy?
So Armstrong is smarter than all the doctors that devise the tests over the years. Is that really so? In that case he should be granted a doctoral degree in medical research, years later to replace all the cycling medals he earned years ago. The Lesson: If you cross a leftie they will hound you to the ends of the earth and till after you are dead to get revenge.
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O.S. Banker, 10/11/2012 9:45:31 AM (No. 8925304)
The eras of Jim Thorpe, Babe Ruth and Joe Louis are long dead. If anybody really believes that world class athletes are build strictly upon the genetic material that the good lord gave them, combined with incredible dedication to practicing the art of perfect performance and an indomitable spirit to win; well I'd like to join you in your delusion, but you are just too far out of my league.
Given the presence of so many cheats and liars in public office, the headline seems a bit hyperbolic. The charges specified by re:25 may be absolutely accurate, I don't know. What I do know is that our societies search for heroes is terribly skewed. Forget the atheletes who play childhood games through puberty into adulthood and ultimately adultery. Forget the attorney's who in lieu of boxing gloves, pummel their adversaries into submission with their briefs.
It is time to find heros in those who provide the opportunity for each of us to improve our quality of life via our own efforts, rather than by basking in the glow of endorphins released in passive observance of others.
I don't know whether Armstrong is guilty or not. I haven't been following it .. but if lying to the public is enough to get one lynched in the media and all their good deeds rendered meaningless, then Obama, Holder, Clinton and the entire administration should have no chance whatsoever of holding power for another term. They were unmasked as the worst kinds of cheats and liars long ago.
OK, this is kind of tongue in cheek because I don't condone it, but.... if 'everybody' was doing it, including Armstrong, and Armstrong won all those races, isn't he still the best cyclist in the world?? lol I mean, did it really give him an advantage over anybody else if the entire sport was doped up?? How can they resent him so much, in that case? He beat them.
Once again, he did not pass all the tests. He failed several in the late 90s and early 2000s. Also, his blood data for 2009 and 2010 also showed evidence of doping and transfusions.
His analytical positives at that time were gamed by the system. A positive for cortisone (a banned substance) was waived away by the UCI by providing a back-dated prescription for a therapeutic use exemption (TUE).
Armstrong received advance notice of tests and was either unavailable or was able to get an emergency saline IV to dilute the blood.
I've already mentioned the bribe, er um, dontation to UCI.
All of these items are included in the USADA document. It is a fascinating read.
Who cares? Aparently the majority of competitors used some form of performance enhancement. Go check on how many top ranked riders have been dinged for it the past 10 years. Did he lie about it? Yeah. Is he a prima donna pick_a_name? Yeah. To paraphrase the liberals when BC was caught lying about sex: "It's just about bike riding".
It's hard to believe so many people were in on it and nobody, for a whole decade, spilled the beans. Nobody got mad and walked off and told, nobody mentioned it to a friend or wife or relative who talked, Then boom, every single one of them talked all at once. Amazing.
This is a sad day for me. I like Armstrong and I'm also still reeling for when Marion Jones got caught for being a dope, er, I mean doping. Seriously though I hope that this cheater continues to get what's coming to him. Poster #44 you hit the nail on with your assessment and I couldn't agree more.
This does not pass the smell test; If the evidence now is so strong, the mob of LA associates involved were so numerous, the drug "Lord" Ferrari was so busy pedaling (excuse the unintended pun) his wares, including large quantities of drugs, blood transfusions, huge vans filled with illicit medical equipment- And, Lance was so vicious with his threats and bribes, how in the world did it take twenty years to uncover it- and just now it is suddenly 'bursting' out with the so called truth? The French were intensely investigating, interviewing, debating, and even involved Interpol when Armstrong won his first race- and they went crazy on his fifth- the seventh was a hysterical flurry of investigations that produced not one single shred of hard evidence at the time. Now, suddenly, there are whole encyclopedias of proof that Armstrong and fifty others were all doping! I say it's total nonsense! My heart breaks for Lance- a true American hero.
If Armstrong was such a genius that he managed not to be convicted on any tests and it took over 10 years of research and testimony from other cyclists who were pardoned for their testimony has there been a single winner of any major cycling event in the last 20 years that hasn't been using drugs?
I don't know what to think. I just know that I have always been a fairly good judge of character and I never liked Armstrong. Something about him bothered me from the first day I saw him. He always seemed like a cocky jerk to me. If this is true, then people should be disgusted by him. That would make him unscrupulous, a liar, a cheat, a thug, a bully, and everything else that good people purport to dislike about leftists and this administration.
The French have always HATED Armstrong. There is an element of French xenophobia in this case. However, it does appear that Lance was doping at a very high level. So was virtually EVERY OTHER RACER IN THE TOUR DE FRANCE!
Either permit doping or cancel the darn race if you can't keep cheaters out! Cheating in cycling is VERY sophisticated and much harder to detect than steroids in baseball, football, or track and field. In the end it IS just about a bike race that is impossible to police.
All this is BS as far as I am concerned. I am not an Armstrong fan, but neither am I an Armstrong hater. He has passed all drug tests. Yet, there are those in authority who have it in for him. Other competitors even his teammates seem to be jealous of his success. He may be a jerk or he may be a wonderful guy. I don't know and I don't care. This doping doesn't interest me at all. I don't care if athletes use steroids, enhancement drugs or whatever. If a person doesn't have the talent and training for his sport, then all the drugs in the world isn't going to help him win. Period.
I have to hand it to any cancer survivor that reaches the absolute pinnacle of his sport after that kind of abuse to the body. Lance Armstrong is guilty of only one thing that I know of: He made them all look bad. He has my respect.
I don't think I've heard of a sport where some kind of doping/cheating doesn't occur and I've lost interest in same because of it. I decry the culture of the media who at once are so ready to exault someone while poised to tear them down. Was it Nero who said:'Give them Bread and Circuses!'.. referring to the public. Boy, we certainly don't seem to be without it in any walk of life today, do we?
Serial poster and lonely Armstrong hater, if he's so dirty, why did it take so long to get him? And only now by a "wannabe" organization called the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which clearly wants to become some type of ruling authority in the world, much like Al Gore's Carbon Exchange. And please, spare us with the, "He bribed them," b.s.
You claim he failed tests, yet present NO evidence including dates, locations, witnesses, etc. You'd better watch it, the courts have ruled there is no identity protection on Internet blogs when it comes to libel.
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