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Topic: An ‘Appropriate’ fiasco |
An ‘Appropriate’ fiasco
New York Post, by John Podhoretz
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Posted By:StormCnter, 10/11/2012 5:27:58 AM
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| At yesterday’s incendiary, four-hour hearing in Washington, congressional Republicans ripped into two high-ranking State Department officials who struggled to explain away the administration’s utterly baffling behavior before and after the murder of four Americans in Benghazi on Sept. 11. The spectacle was agonizing. The officials — Charlene Lamb and Patrick Kennedy — basically said everything they’d done before the terror assault and everything the administration had said afterward was appropriate, “based on what was known at the time.” Lamb and Kennedy said they’d done the right thing as they sat next to two security experts
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Comments: It seems to me that Benghazi will be the final stake in Obama's reelection bid. How differently he might have been perceived by the country if immediate action had been taken during those hours of battle. The ambassador and others might not have been saved, but the ongoing dumb regard for Libya's feelings doomed any idea that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton can move quickly and decisively in an emergency.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
EnsignO'Toole, 10/11/2012 5:43:53 AM (No. 8924802)
John Podhoretz knocks it out of the ball park. Excellent summation of the incompetent handling of a very sad chapter. Should be a Must Read. Maybe it will help some people sitting on the fence. FTA: Obama and his people went for the YouTube play. In so doing, they not only deceived the American people and inappropriately deferred blame, they inflicted on themselves an entirely unnecessary wound.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
truthfetish, 10/11/2012 5:47:14 AM (No. 8924803)
Must read!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Trigger2, 10/11/2012 5:57:59 AM (No. 8924811)
I watched part of this hearing yesterday. It was devastating to the incompetents in the incompetent cesspool of a State Dept.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
tren9, 10/11/2012 6:58:19 AM (No. 8924887)
Incompetent? But I followed the instructions in the book...
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Hank Reardon, 10/11/2012 7:07:51 AM (No. 8924903)
Hang them!
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
suziesuburbanite, 10/11/2012 7:53:24 AM (No. 8925015)
Bluster, bluster and fluster - in the end no one except maybe some low level serf will be fired or even reprimanded, even though someone is dead.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Patchy Groundfog, 10/11/2012 7:53:36 AM (No. 8925017)
FTA "It’s unclear why these career civil servants, who are not beholden to the president for their employment, felt it necessary to defend an Obama appointee’s shockingly misleading and now entirely discredited talking points"
No, it's very clear. The State Dept is to the left of even the Obammies.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
FenwayFrank, 10/11/2012 8:05:45 AM (No. 8925045)
IMHO, there is more to this video angle than has been dredged up so far. Something evil is going on, besides the "self-evident" 9/11 anniversary terror attacks.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
JAN, 10/11/2012 8:22:27 AM (No. 8925078)
Heart breaking to hear.
Not often that anything on CSPAN makes me want to cry. This did.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
happywarrior, 10/11/2012 8:25:02 AM (No. 8925092)
You just can't make up characters like that Lamb woman and the Kennedy in name only ambassador! Two creepy, incompetent people.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Blue-Z-Anna, 10/11/2012 8:32:13 AM (No. 8925111)
And the "Tape" is being held by another government agency that we can't talk about ??
What is THAT all about ???
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
engrpat, 10/11/2012 8:38:45 AM (No. 8925131)
The State Department was following the Obama book for the election. Obama wants to run as the bin Laden killer and the one that destroyed al-Qaeda with the deaths in Benghazi there goes his foreign policy chops. The coverup was pure politics.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
jasmine, 10/11/2012 8:41:53 AM (No. 8925141)
Agree with #10. There was something "off" about those two State Department employees.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Halfvast Conspirator, 10/11/2012 8:47:56 AM (No. 8925160)
Long as I get my obamaphone why should I care about something in Libya?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Maybeth, 10/11/2012 8:48:09 AM (No. 8925162)
These two certainly don't live up to the image Hollywood gives us of the intelligence community! Harrison Ford and Meryl Streep they ain't.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
chicodon, 10/11/2012 8:55:11 AM (No. 8925179)
Here we have the umpteenth "well, can you imagine that?" moment. Yes, I can imagine. It would be inexplicable if we had a patriot in the White House. We don't. We need to look at the cumulative effect of what Obama's policies (strangely they are policies) have wrought. I'm afraid that what we fear Obama is doing to the Middle East is true. It is also no accident.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
NYMom, 10/11/2012 9:00:27 AM (No. 8925200)
Check out the video on Hillbuzz.org of Rep. Trey Gowdy. Powerful.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
jackie, 10/11/2012 9:09:02 AM (No. 8925213)
Patrick Kennedy should be made to resign along with Lamb. She heard that going on for 6 hours and STILL she lied and took the Obama message to the nation along with Hillary and Rice and others..... I also was happy when Issa told the 2 whistle blowers..I hate that label... if they had any problem with their careers to come back..they will be protected... They were brave to to step up.. I hope Bite-me tries to explain this away tonight...Ryan will nail him.. I too felt like crying thinking about the fear they must have felt in those 6 hours with the animals coming at them...
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
cyberspace cadet, 10/11/2012 9:18:46 AM (No. 8925232)
This same State Department and government sent the USS Cole into Aden Harbor in Yemen because it was striving for normal relations with terrorists. After the attack and deaths President Clinton thought this was a crime and sent in the FBI?
So, October 11th, and twelve years after the 17 Cole sailors were killed, the local in charge of security in our embassy there is murdered by the same Islamic hatred.
The hearing yesterday proved again that you can't have a successful foreign policy by lying, wishing and hoping.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Mobyclik, 10/11/2012 9:26:46 AM (No. 8925250)
But, but, but, Bin Laden is dead!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
pgvoisin, 10/11/2012 9:29:31 AM (No. 8925256)
Progressives lie. People die.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
BarryNo, 10/11/2012 9:32:11 AM (No. 8925266)
Considering his favorite Uncle is a member of an Al Qaida affiliated organization, and that he appears to wear a ring that is inscribed with the Shahada, the Islamic call to faith, his behavior is understandable if he is an Islamic Agent.
After we get rid of this bum, we'll have to start the War on Terror all over again. Every gain Bush and our courageous volunteer Armed Forces made has been negated.
And yes I do read WND. Try it. The stories today are quite enlightening.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Holeymoses, 10/11/2012 9:34:15 AM (No. 8925274)
I have no confidence we will ever get to the bottom of this, nor that anyone will be exposed.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
nonsense, 10/11/2012 9:37:43 AM (No. 8925284)
Another site that has some interesting suppositions mentioned that this might have been planned as a faux hostage crises, resolved just before the foreign policy debate to foist cred on the potus. You just never know where the plotting of this regime will end up. Although, sadly, tragedy seems to follow the Harvard smartest people in the room as if it is the Karma they deserve.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Grambo, 10/11/2012 9:41:50 AM (No. 8925293)
For six hours the embassy staffers faced their certain murder. Meanwhile, in DC, for those same six hours the Obama team worked out their cover stories.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
mabelkitty, 10/11/2012 9:46:12 AM (No. 8925307)
Talk to anybody who has had dealing with anybody from the State Department. They are Communist radicals and militant Muslims that have been infiltrating that place for decades.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
indccc, 10/11/2012 9:49:26 AM (No. 8925319)
Interesting that everyone has stopped asking why the Ambassador was there with the two former Seals...and no protection. Wasn't it something to do with the weapons we gave the rebels/brotherhood? People were starting to question that until the State Dept. admitted they lied about the video. This Administration is getting very good with their "Ewww, something shiny!" distractions.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Pepper Tree, 10/11/2012 9:55:38 AM (No. 8925333)
Trey Gowdy was good, #17. He's been smoking mad over this from the start. The better moment for me was when the blond congresswoman from Fla went after Charlene Lamb posing yes/no questions and demanding answers. The congresswoman should been given time to go after that slippery weasel Kennedy.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
TheMotherCO, 10/11/2012 9:57:52 AM (No. 8925343)
Aww, people, people, don't you realize that the black prez had a fund raiser in Vegas to go to and a date to be on the view? Way to busy to take care of his real job. The dims have no excuses, there are those hours that will live on and on and on.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
fed-up, 10/11/2012 10:05:22 AM (No. 8925361)
I watched the entire hearing on C-SPAN yesterday, and wanted to scream. The few Dims that did show up were only interested in trying to make this whole inquiry a political ploy of the Republicans to cast a bad light on the administration... right before the election!! As if, the president and SOS werent playing politics in the whole frikkin mess to begin with. Makes my head want to explode. People are dead. I hope the family members are outraged and come out screaming. The MSM will not be able to hide it.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
whyyeseyec, 10/11/2012 10:28:58 AM (No. 8925466)
Where is the call for Hillary to resign? We have the head of the State Dept whose incompetence got 4 Americans killed, an Atty Gen who is in contempt of Congress, a Treasury Secretary who didn`t pay his taxes, Ambassador Susan Rice who lied about Benghazi on a national television show, a Labor Sec who fudged the unemployment number, a First Lady who meddles in our schools, restaurants and grocery stores, a WH Press Secretary who lies daily and a Vice President who is crazy, all lead by Barack Obama who accepts no blame for all the mayhem going on in his regime.
Romney/Ryan 2012 & 2016 Ryan/???? 2020
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
zek, 10/11/2012 10:34:48 AM (No. 8925487)
They need to keep asking who told them that the video was the reason for this. Who put that story out there and why. Lamb watched in real time and still went with the video story. These are the keepers of America's security. Sad times for America when the top security people lie and the media won't report it because it might harm the very person who is setting up the lies. It is just stunning to me that this is not the headline on every newspaper and TV newscast.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
RancherJack, 10/11/2012 10:37:48 AM (No. 8925495)
October Surprise was on them this time
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
tnorling, 10/11/2012 10:42:05 AM (No. 8925506)
This stinker of a fiasco has Valerie Jarrett written all over it.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
jerseygal, 10/11/2012 10:49:45 AM (No. 8925541)
There is more here than meets the eye. Someone is covering up something. Ambassador Stevens came out of the political swamp that is Chicago.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
lanczos, 10/11/2012 10:54:04 AM (No. 8925555)
Simple explanation: No one in The Obammunist administration can tell the truth unless they think they're lying even if the truth would be infinitely more helpful to them.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Razorgirl, 10/11/2012 10:54:36 AM (No. 8925558)
The video excuse sounds like something Valarie Jarrett would come up with. While the O was jet-setting around in Air Force One, someone had to make a decision. I hope when we win, there will be a total purging of the State Dept. Down to the janitors and lawn keepers.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
lakerman1, 10/11/2012 11:11:46 AM (No. 8925619)
harlne Lamb and Patrick Kennedy are career civil service with the state department. The state department is full of people like this - I know and have worked with some of them. President Romney has got to clean up that mess at State.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
gman244, 10/11/2012 11:22:11 AM (No. 8925657)
Libyan authority said it was a terrorist attack, other other foreign sources knew it was a terrorist attack even right after the event. So why did President Obama and his administration call it a riot cause by a video? Even after the event and the evidence showed it was a terrorist attack, they continue to call it a riot. Obama on TV and at the United Nation refered to the attack as a reaction to the video. I guess Obama was to busy campaigning to attend any national security meeting. Oh yes, bin Laden is dead and Al Qaeda is no more! WRONG! Americans lost their lives because campaigning is more important than national security
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
JonR, 10/11/2012 11:25:27 AM (No. 8925671)
Another fine example of Hope and Change! This is a Pig in a Poke President and everything he touches turns to crap! Moreover, the State Department needs a top to bottom housecleaning as it is infested with communist cockroaches and anti-American fools that have no use for this country!
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
IfUAskMe, 10/11/2012 11:56:08 AM (No. 8925768)
Imagine that the Zero administration had a fraction of the intel that an abortion clinic was at risk of attack? Yeah! Now, imagine the media outrage should such an attack occur.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
peterfleming, 10/11/2012 12:02:50 PM (No. 8925787)
The protected government workers trash all running about in the marble hallways and endless rooms of non productive tinkerers with our live. A town gathered around the big printing press where they can all take a shot at unearned fake paper money on a daily basis. Except for the black slums right there in their midst, the money stealing droids Beltway have no real estate crisis. Easy come easy go. And knowing that the Diane Sawyer Protection Racket is there for them 24/7, there is nothing they cannot get away with. Even these hearings, where a few of the "fall buys" take a temporary beating, will go nowhere. Nobody will be punished for the comitting of this massive covered up crime, and within a few weeks, the Diane Sawyers will have already looked the other way and the RepubDemcrats will continue to cover each other's asses 24/7. It'll all just disappear. After all, we musn't embarass the kings and queens of the Old Media either. The good news is that New Media will continue on and it is growing and cutting into Diane's dirty territory, step by Drudge Breitbart Lucianne step.
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
Douglas DC, 10/11/2012 12:21:02 PM (No. 8925839)
What is about to happen-one of the Drones at State will suddenly squeal. Seeing their career going down at the stern. Then we will find out who is loyal or not. Also the whole MSM is not in the tank anymore. Cooper,Tapper in particular and, others... There is blood in the water... Also we have the Spooks on our side too.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
Nimby, 10/11/2012 12:29:50 PM (No. 8925856)
I watched this agonizing spectacle yesterday. Why does Lamb still have a job that we the tax payers are paying with? The worst offenders in this were the democrats, Cummings and Lynch, who were trying to foist the entire debacle on the republicans. I hope Ryan and Romney will use this as a cudgel to pummel the foreign policy of this administration in the next debate. Fat lot of help Biden's "so-called foreign policy experience" has done to prevent the preventable deaths of 4 Americans!! Let NOT the democRATS not open their gobs about "lack of experience" anymore.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
truthfetish, 10/11/2012 12:50:02 PM (No. 8925897)
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
truthfetish, 10/11/2012 12:51:48 PM (No. 8925900)
I'm with #34. That commie harridan is behind all of this and has the blood of 4 Americans on her hands.
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
Ida Lil, 10/11/2012 1:07:04 PM (No. 8925924)
Why play ennie minee moe when the entire fiasco blame belongs completely to Barrack--middle name Huessein --Obama?He would have been more believable had he remained Barry Soetero.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
MassJim, 10/11/2012 2:34:27 PM (No. 8926153)
"It seems to me that Benghazi will be the final stake..." Nah. With Obamaniacs it is nothing but turtles - all the way down.
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
Heraclitus, 10/11/2012 3:26:04 PM (No. 8926311)
Like most everyone here, i watched the c-span spectacle and i vascillated between rage and tears.
Charlene Lamb said they watched the events in "real time." And yet, she would not nor would Kennedy admit the plain fact: this was terrorism.
When questioned point blank about the nature of the attack, they could not and would not say the words. It was shocking and horrifying to watch... in real time.
Now think back to Hillary's various performances: that languid, slow, painfully articulated rationalization.
Years ago, when Clinton was finishing up his second term, it became clear that the media had discovered that they could be much more active "players" in politics. I remember telling Hubby that we'd see more of this and more extensively and that this would be the real danger for our Republic.
We now have about half of the citizenry who DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. I have an intelligent cousin, but she is completely ignorant because she relies on the so-called MSM.
This is why Ryan and Romney absolutely must bring this up, attack the "video" meme, tell the truth, expose the quislings.
Will bloviator Biden bring up BO's foreign policy "successes"?
All is utterly outrageous. We are, as we here have said since 2008, we are in great peril.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
loveUSA, 10/11/2012 3:40:44 PM (No. 8926354)
This is what we get when we have an imperial president who decides without congressional support to go to war in Libya. A lawless president who has no regard for the constitution or any other restraint.
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
Teleologicus, 10/11/2012 4:58:59 PM (No. 8926574)
The State department has been a thorn in America's side for a long time. The combination of the Obama gang and the State department is almost more than the republic can bear. It was embarrassing to watch these government officials do their best to lay down a protective smokescreen for the administration. One wonders who they think they are working for and what their priorities are.
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
ocho reales, 10/11/2012 5:40:49 PM (No. 8926641)
I agree with the comments about Trey Gowdy's statement. Extremely powerful. That man has a very bright future in the Republican party.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
Philipsonh, 10/11/2012 6:28:01 PM (No. 8926715)
I did not find the testimony "baffling". It appeared to me that the two bureaucrats were in cover-up mode, particularly Mr Kennedy, a piece of scum. How can a person who has no memory of anything be in a high ranking position. No, he was just lying, and under oath. At least Ms Lamb showed emotion, whether because she was under stress, or she knows the two of them are lying, or she really feels empsthy for the dead men and their families, or a combination. It apeared to me that Mr Issa was WAY too kind to them. At least some of the Congresspeople let loose. We need Mrs Clinton to testify under oath, but you watch Obama insulate her.
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
Philipsonh, 10/11/2012 6:39:42 PM (No. 8926729)
I do not entirely agree with the author. If the President had admitted it was a terrorist attack, that would have undermined his whole tact, having ridden the killing of OSB to state that the terrorist organizations were decimated and incapable of inflicting harm on the U.S. His own line of B.S. would have gone into the cesspool. Either way, his talking points were proven false.
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Reply 55 - Posted by:
TruthandJustice, 10/11/2012 7:53:06 PM (No. 8926869)
55 you may want to read General Vallele's just released statement....
Obama would not give permission for four months to get Osama when they knew where he was...Thus Panetta, Gates, Clinton went ahead without telling him...or Brennan...And informed Obama on the Golf course.
In light of the story that me forth yesterday from Corsi, with pics of Obama's ring, and a Duke professor translation of the inscription...that reads "there is no god but Allah"....
Perhaps many should rethink Obama's national security claims....He s a fraud and a lar.
Important!
WND has a post that is either from WHI or another inside-source. http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/oblivious-obama-not-behind-osama-raid/
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Reply 56 - Posted by:
steveW, 10/11/2012 8:22:38 PM (No. 8926932)
Democrats = bad intentions
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Reply 57 - Posted by:
bdog, 10/11/2012 9:02:42 PM (No. 8927006)
#14, if you have an Obamaphone, you don't even know where Libya is.
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The Washington Post on Monday reported that Obama’s Department of Justice was investigating journalists before they started wiretapping the Associated Press – for one, Fox News correspondent James Rosen in 2010. Their headline wasn´t "Obama Team Also Spied on Fox News." Fox wasn´t in the headline, on A-1 or on A-12, where the story continued. Newly obtained court documents “reveal how deeply investigators explored the private communications of a working journalist — and raise the question of how often journalists have been investigated as closely as Rosen was in 2010.” Reporter Ann Marimow began:
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Candy Crowley: Is it Possible This Isn´t Political and IRS Didn´t Intend to Harass the Tea Party?
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Newsbusters, by Noel Sheppard
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Posted By: JoniTx- 5/19/2013 3:54:02 PM
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"Can you see in your mind´s eye a way that this might not have been political, that this was a misguided stupid way to sort, but that they didn´t intend it to be some kind of political attempt to harass the Tea Party?" So actually asked CNN´s Candy Crowley of her guest Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) concerning the Internal Revenue Service scandal Sunday (video follows with transcript and commentary):CANDY CROWLEY, HOST: Moving on to the IRS problem at this moment, which is really sort of in its infancy. There will be lots more hearings coming up this week
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White House Aide calls Criticism of Obama ´Offensive´
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New York Times, by Brian Knowlton
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Posted By: FlyRight- 5/20/2013 7:01:33 AM
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A senior adviser to President Obama mounted a combative defense of the administration on Sunday, saying the controversies enveloping the White House were the result of Republican lawmakers’ trying to “drag Washington into a swamp of partisan fishing expeditions, trumped-up hearings and false allegations.”The remarks came from Dan Pfeiffer, a member of the president’s inner circle, as he appeared on all five major Sunday morning talk shows in an effort to move the administration past what commentators have described as a “hell week” of controversy and missteps.
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If Your Doctor Asks You About Guns, Do You Have to Answer?
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Fox News, by Staff
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Posted By: KarenJ1- 5/20/2013 1:12:07 PM
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Stuart Varney said this morning on "Varney & Co." that one of his producers was given a questionnaire with some surprisingly intrusive questions on it when he switched doctors. One of the questions was whether he/she was concerned about unsecured weapons in the home. Another asked whether he/she was "in a relationship in which you have been physically hurt or are you afraid of your partner?" Judge Andrew Napolitano explained that the question about guns comes out of a post-Sandy Hook executive order by President Obama, but it will be required under Obamacare. Varney expressed amazement
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