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Education chief wants
textbooks to become obsolete

Associated Press, by Josh Lederman

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 10/2/2012 3:44:56 PM

WASHINGTON — Education Secretary Arne Duncan is calling for printed textbooks to become obsolete within the next few years. Duncan says the U.S. is falling behind other nations that are aggressively moving from print to digital for educational materials. He says a small number of American school districts are moving in that direction, but that the country must move faster. Duncan's remarks came during an address to the National Press Club where he also criticized the Republican-controlled House for failing to adequately invest in education. Duncan says Mitt Romney and the Republicans see education as an expense

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Why keep forcing things on people? If the marketplace goes in this direction, so be it. But this will make buying second-hand books to save money a lot more difficult.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: mc squared, 10/2/2012 3:51:58 PM     (No. 8904874)

What a convenient way to put the Feds in charge of textbooks instead of local boards.

With a few key strokes in DC, information can be changed in hundreds of thousands of E-books. Remove dead white guys and replace them with Eric Holder and our Dear leader.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 10/2/2012 3:54:01 PM     (No. 8904878)

This means every school student must have the most current up to date computer w/software, at school and home for doing one`s homework. This will cost ?????, of course, but that`s just a small distraction mind you.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 10/2/2012 4:01:39 PM     (No. 8904899)

This will make it easier for the left who will change the texts to better fit their warped views and change history to what they feel is how it should have happened.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: GoDeacs79, 10/2/2012 4:07:16 PM     (No. 8904915)

I fully expect to hear that Mitt Romney clubs baby seals and eats kittens before election day gets here.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 10/2/2012 4:09:36 PM     (No. 8904924)

Number 2 is right. It's a whole lot easier to copy and paste than to print new textbooks. Getting rid of textbooks is not a priority. And it should be a state decision, not a federal disaster.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: nonsense, 10/2/2012 4:10:21 PM     (No. 8904926)

The core of Race to the Top is incredibly anti-parental voice and totally anti-freedom. It is entirely pro Big government control of every aspect of education. The administration will banish textbooks and supplant them with the Communist Manifesto. Forward into the hell of the Race to the Bottom.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: aintnojoke, 10/2/2012 4:19:22 PM     (No. 8904948)

Education Secretary soon to become obsolete.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: mijcraw, 10/2/2012 4:23:21 PM     (No. 8904956)

Hmmmm... let's say we have a school that has 1,000 students in it. When we go digital for that school we will need about 1,200 digital readers (20 % overage for broke, stolen or misplaced readers)...so that will cost that school about $720,000 in some sort of electronic reader device (IPAD, laptop and etc @ $600 each), then we need to purchase the same number of books in electronic licensed format....so that's another $200,000 (est.). Now with some much electronic equipment going into use we are going to need an Wi-Fi infrastructure upgrade ....there's another $100,000), and then we need someone to keep are these gadgets working around the clock so we will need add staff (let's say one additional person with benefits...So that's another $60,000)......quick total is $1.1 million...just in that one school. My favorite question is who is going to pay for it? Now don't forget some cost may seem to be one-time in nature, but actually are re-occurring (salary is annually, replacement equipment is annually and new books and readers every 3-4 years if your lucky)

Sometimes embracing the future in everything we do is not in our best interest, remember what the 10 year cost of replacing books will be.....somewhere in the cost of $3.0 Million every 10 years....that's a stupid ideal!


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Reply 9 - Posted by: old north state, 10/2/2012 4:24:15 PM     (No. 8904961)

I've nothing against e-books but this is nothing but another gimmick - and excuse. Student didn't need e-books before they were invented and they don't need them now. Reading from a screen does not magically aid comprehension just as having as computer did not magically produce better students. The problem is not and never has been devices.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: KTWO, 10/2/2012 4:26:25 PM     (No. 8904965)

Textbooks should become obsolete and will. They cost more to produce and distribute and in a decade will be gone. Awkward and heavy and unneeded.

School libraries will remain, staffed with the heavily credentialed awaiting retirement. Unvisited, most students won't be able to locate theirs and certainly won't be sure why it exists. If they are now.

Public libraries, same thing.

But the Twilight Of The Books is just about technology. Gadget changes are not important. We all struggle along fairly well w/o phonograph needles.

The problem, as others sense, is that nothing escapes the attention of those born to regulate. It is in their genes. Nothing is better than one truth as Orwell told us.

The Memory Hole for the first time seems possible, not yet probable, intangible and not yet real.

It must seem so near yest so far to the thugtyrants who accumulate at bureaus like DoED.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 10/2/2012 4:34:11 PM     (No. 8904988)

And what about the poor kid whose degenerate parent/older sibling/uncle/etc. decides to pawn the device? Or what if it repeatedly gets stolen? Do they fine the kid? How will the poor kid's family pay? There are tons of unintended consequences with this and the kids will absolutely be no smarter.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Japanorama, 10/2/2012 5:01:41 PM     (No. 8905060)

While we're at it, who needs the Dept. of Education. They have never educated a single child. Close down the money pit and cut taxes, so more money remains at the local school level, where it belongs (and used to be in the first place).

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Reply 13 - Posted by: country boy, 10/2/2012 5:09:53 PM     (No. 8905084)

Big powergrab in here somewhere for King obeyme. Either he wants to publish all the textbooks (edit all the digital content), or just run everything online (internet). Probably both.

When is this nightmare going to stop!!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: wi cynic, 10/2/2012 5:57:10 PM     (No. 8905203)

Change for the sake of change, with no redeeming features.
1 - The readers would become obsolete almost immediately.
2 - The readers would never be replaced for obsolescence, as they'd be destroyed by regular exposure to a teenager within a year. Take a look at a 16-year-old's phone for reference.
3 - The theft rate would boggle the mind. Few people steal a calculus text book other than out of just plain meanness, but an ereader can be hocked.
4 - The cost, as posted above, would be staggering.
5 - Ereaders work ok for reading TEXT, which you find in a novel, but are absolutely the pits for images. Things like graphs, pictures, diagrams, math problems... you know, all those things you find in a school book.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: silencedogood, 10/2/2012 6:07:30 PM     (No. 8905229)

The Department of Education employs appoximately 60 to 70 thousands persons in DC. Plus, they have a budget of approximately $80B annually.

I suggest closing the Department and letting those 70,000 employees create new businesses.

In addition, of the $80B in savings, I suggest $30B go toward debt reduction annually and $1B go to each State anuualy for year one, and, a 20% reduction each succeeding year until the after 5 years the amount is zero.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: jalo1951, 10/2/2012 6:09:41 PM     (No. 8905235)

How strange? Most of us here would like to see the federal Dept of Ed disappear.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: KTWO, 10/2/2012 6:12:49 PM     (No. 8905246)

second post. I believe the costs concerns will evaporate.

Readers will cost almost nothing. to0 cheap to matter, disposable. Not worth stealing. And with better graphics. Better in every respect.

Clearly if they remain rather costly they will be stolen or pawned.

50" LCD TVs are selling for $500. Two years ago they cost about $1500. Ten years ago you couldn't buy them.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: veritas, 10/2/2012 6:15:56 PM     (No. 8905255)

1. For the 1/3 of the student population that's illiterate, dead-tree or e-reader makes no difference.

2.There's no Constitutional authority for the Department. Bam. Game over [if law matters].

3. "He who controls the past controls the present. He who controls the present controls the future." Figured out why that thought matters here? Hmmm?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 10/2/2012 9:12:51 PM     (No. 8905572)

We all know -everybody knows- the main reason South Korea and other countries outperform the U.S. in public education. It's not because they use e-books and we don't.

Further, the human race somehow managed to make it all the way into the 20th century without the benefit of a vast bureaucracy of specialized "educators." None of the great minds of the past had the benefit of the insights and knowledge of people like Mr. Duncan. They did not even have e-books.

Now we are told that basic education is such a complex, difficult, costly enterprise that it is simply impossible to spend enough money, hire enough teachers, fund enough education programs, purchase enough sophisticated equipment, provide enough free lunches (and now also free breakfasts) merely to achieve basic proficiency in the 3Rs. Enormous, unprecedented, hitherto inconceivable amounts of time, energy and resources have been devoted to the problem and we are STILL unable to equip large numbers of students with basic literacy and calculating skills, never mind giving them elementary knowledge of history and other subjects needed for good citizenship and informed political choices.

What on earth is going on? The more we spend, the harder we try, the worse the results.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: chefrandy, 10/2/2012 9:39:52 PM     (No. 8905637)

Sorry 11/19 but I disagree about the need for textbooks--especially for math. Once upon a time I was an A student in algebra, geometry, trig. But when I need to help one of the kids with homework this dinosaur still needs to look back into the text to refamiliarize myself with the concepts in order to be of help. Checking out the examples from previous lessons is much easier with a textbook than leafing through an unorganized mess of worksheets or trying to go back and forth with an online textbook.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 10/2/2012 10:47:35 PM     (No. 8905739)

It seems the education chief needs to justify his existence.

More ways to control US.

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