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The Untold Story Behind The
"Fast and Furious" Scandal

Univision News, by Staff

Original Article

Posted By:Robinsolana, 9/30/2012 9:31:03 AM

Who are the human faces of the U.S. government's botched "Fast and Furious" gun-walking operation? Often lost amid the rancor in Washington are the stories of dozens of people killed by guns that flowed south as part of the undercover operation, and later slipped out of view from U.S. officials. Univision's Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010.
Headline split, source corrected.

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Anyway you look at it, the callousness of the Obama administration toward these casualties of its 'gunwalking' of 1000s of weapons into the hands of the narco-terrorists in Mexico is stunning.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rat Patrol, 9/30/2012 9:39:32 AM     (No. 8900016)

Obama and Holder are criminals and they belong in jail.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: truthfetish, 9/30/2012 9:40:54 AM     (No. 8900019)

DVR alert - 7pm tonight.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: frodo, 9/30/2012 9:41:13 AM     (No. 8900020)

Watched the promo. Someone makes the statement that Americans don't care about deaths beyond their borders. That might be true to some extent, but the US Latino vote will be effected when this story airs.

The Univision special will air with English sub-titles. 70PM (EST)

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Reply 4 - Posted by: earlybird, 9/30/2012 9:43:49 AM     (No. 8900022)

This is a teaser for their special program tonight at 7 PM.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jimK1, 9/30/2012 10:05:05 AM     (No. 8900052)

In defense of the Americans that don't care, it's because the MSM has REFUSED to tell us about this travesty. They are so intent on protecting their boy a few hundred deaths means nothing to them.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: frodo, 9/30/2012 10:19:37 AM     (No. 8900074)

JimK. A valid point.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: veritas, 9/30/2012 10:31:18 AM     (No. 8900097)

1. It wasn't "botched" despite the media meme. The goal was to create a [phony but] believable "trail" of US guns into drug cartel hands.

2. The guns didn't "slip out of view," as there were never any tracking devices used by Holder.

3. That said, and risking mis-interpretation of how serious F&F is and must be taken, it must be said that Mexico is in a fight for survival against the cartels. But Mexico seems to lack both the needed "weapons" [enough honest military and police; honest courts that can survive the Cartels' violence] and the indispensable will. Most of al, the Mexican federal gov't seems to come short.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: annapolis2010dad, 9/30/2012 10:35:11 AM     (No. 8900103)

Wanna bet Obamby will try to prempt this stunt by Univision?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: quegley, 9/30/2012 10:37:40 AM     (No. 8900109)

Now I know why Univision was the only network to actually ask Obama tough questions.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: FormerDem, 9/30/2012 10:39:02 AM     (No. 8900111)

Like I said, trying to foment a US-Mexico war, but I really didn't think the ATF would be involved. They are made to do cartoon type stuff that plays to our stereotypes, and we are made to do cartoon type stuff that plays to theirs. Eventually somebody comes along and undertakes some provocative night time shooting and spreads some rumors and you have got yourself a war, which Obama will jump into and enjoy because it isn't about the big right-left narrative. There is no way to avoid being manipulated except to see the other side, now, early.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: frodo, 9/30/2012 10:43:54 AM     (No. 8900121)

The reason Univision is (so far) the only media company to air this is because the media generally is working to get President Obama re-elected.
I learned years ago while working in intelligence that the Arab translators were generally sympathetic to the Arab positions and the Hebrew translators to the Israeli positions. That is human nature.
Spanish speakers will care more about Mexican police deaths than US non-Spanish speakers will be. (obviously a generalization). However video has the power to move opinion. The interviews with the mothers of the teens that will killed by US supplied guns could very well move this into a campaign issue.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: RancherJack, 9/30/2012 10:44:22 AM     (No. 8900123)

The True Story Is This

The Mexican Drug War, and war it is, has it's other roots in Chicago. Bot are for control of distribution into America. Chicago is other end of this war.

The common denominator is The Obama Machine and the vicious gang that rules Illinois, known colloquially as Democrats.

Read Dr. Joseph Douglass' RED COCAINE for the definitive work on communist strategies to raise vast sums for themselves while destroying America from inside. And we all here know Obama is a communist.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Drive, 9/30/2012 10:49:41 AM     (No. 8900133)

Thanks for posting this. We wouldn't have known about it otherwise. Univision is a great outfit - suddenly.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 9/30/2012 11:00:23 AM     (No. 8900151)

Zero and Mooch do a much better job tracking lobster and champagne shipments to the WH kitchen.....

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Malia2012, 9/30/2012 11:11:17 AM     (No. 8900164)

Amazing but not surprising.. Obviously they have a vested interest in getting this information out to the public, still UNIVISION is the ONLY network to broadcast the real story of F & F! and the drug-cartel-enabler-obama. FNC has made a few tries at it, but not like this one. Hope all those hispanic voters-for-obama will be watching!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: waynedavis, 9/30/2012 11:20:27 AM     (No. 8900179)

I take the pessimistic view and I hope I'm wrong.

ABC is no friend of conservatives, so why would anyone automatically assume ABC/Univison would do anything that would damning to Obama? Don't kid yourself, This is a vehicle to exonerate Obama. This show will provide reassurance to the Hispanic community that Obama is their only hope.

Sure, the show will criticize Obama, but its main objective will be to provide excuses for everything it presents. Obama will go scot free and if anything. He and his staff will look like angels looking out for the rest of us.

Don't let one critical interview of Obama set you up for disappointment.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Yephora, 9/30/2012 11:23:32 AM     (No. 8900182)

Will the report even mention President Fake & Spurious much less implicate him?
I highly doubt it.
That is what we have to hope for, because Hispanic voters won't make the connection on their own.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: nigella, 9/30/2012 11:29:30 AM     (No. 8900190)

Sorry to dash hopes here but this will go nowhere...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: jimK1, 9/30/2012 11:30:34 AM     (No. 8900192)

Drudge now has a link (in red) about this story tonight. I will be interested to see the ratings for Univision tonight. I am also a little worried that ABC has a hand in this.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: metalman2, 9/30/2012 12:12:42 PM     (No. 8900246)

I'm not surprised that it's Univision making this effort. I was in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico when this story first started to break. I was sitting at a conference table in a major manufacturing operation with a half dozen Mexican engineers and we were supposed to be working on some engineering issues. The meeting dissolved into an angry discussion about fast and furious. They were very upset about this then and still are to this day (I work with these guys every week).

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 9/30/2012 12:24:37 PM     (No. 8900272)

Zippy and "With" Holder have the perfect defense - - one that no prosecutor could possibly possibly pierce - - total incompetence.

How can you convict anyone who hasn't the slightest clue as to what's going on?

Don't laugh, folks - - that's their actual argument. "We dint no nuthin!" - - how can you convict them?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: coyote56, 9/30/2012 12:34:41 PM     (No. 8900283)

If this is the previous interview with Obama seen before it doesn't mean much. I saw the person who interviewd O on some talk program & he was for Obama all the way.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: gator, 9/30/2012 1:11:45 PM     (No. 8900339)

Agree with most above, if it could be damaging to the zero, it would not be aired.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: chicodon, 9/30/2012 1:30:43 PM     (No. 8900356)

I wonder if they will say the program began under Bush?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: texsupreme, 9/30/2012 2:13:24 PM     (No. 8900403)

DISH Network channel 270. 7 o'clock central.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: frodo, 9/30/2012 3:18:15 PM     (No. 8900486)

Tex:

Unless Dish is doing a delay, that should be 60 Central Time.

This will be the first time for this program to air.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 9/30/2012 3:46:30 PM     (No. 8900550)

We have Verizon FIOS, but don't have access to the Univision channel, so I hope that FOX will relay this as a special.

I'd like to think that when the Hispanic community sees this, it will not support 0bama.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: 4Justice, 9/30/2012 4:11:09 PM     (No. 8900598)

I set my DVR. I wonder how it will be covered...

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Reply 29 - Posted by: The Patriot Code, 9/30/2012 4:11:55 PM     (No. 8900602)

I hope that I am pleasantly surprised, but I wouldn't be surprised if they said that the Fast and Furious program was developed and initiated by Mitt Romney while he was at Bain Capital.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: 4Justice, 9/30/2012 4:23:56 PM     (No. 8900627)

If you think you can't get the show because you don't have Univision, check listings for the name of the show "Aqui y Ahora". I don't get the station called "Univision" on my DirecTv but the show is on ch. 14 KDTV locally.

I think some posters may be right...they may just make it look like incompetence with no knowledge or accountability attributed to Holder or Obama. But, I will still hope (just won't hold my breath!) that it is presented as it should be.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: loveUSA, 9/30/2012 4:57:13 PM     (No. 8900666)

Obama and those around him who echo his marxist/socialist/communists thinking are very COLD hearted. How else can you explain their response to Mexicans and Americans dying because Fast and Furious, going to Las Vegas on the day we learned our Ambassador to Libya's was murdered?

Obama only thinks of himself and he's evil.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: baxter1, 9/30/2012 7:07:34 PM     (No. 8900860)

Darn no subtitles!

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Reply 33 - Posted by: NancyD, 9/30/2012 7:19:29 PM     (No. 8900870)

I'm still watching it, but I wish there were sub-titles. Makes me mad... How are we supposed to inform ourselves if our media refuses to do it?!?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: pacman333, 9/30/2012 7:21:21 PM     (No. 8900872)

No Habla Espanol!!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Ladyhawke, 9/30/2012 7:24:13 PM     (No. 8900875)

Does anyone know how to get this in english?

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Reply 36 - Posted by: nonsense, 9/30/2012 7:32:57 PM     (No. 8900886)

I remember reading that some drug lord who was incarcerated in Chicago wanted to spill the beans that F and F was about drugs. If Chicago is the drug hub, no wonder there are so many murders every weekend and Rahm does nothing about it.

I am ready to hear the dirty truth about F and F and have someone in the W.H. or DOJ pay for their crimes. No wonder Daley bailed on his Chicago pals on the Potomac.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: oh-heck, 9/30/2012 7:52:26 PM     (No. 8900915)

I got it in Spanish with Spanish sub-titles. From what I translated, it hit pretty hard. Hopefully, someone will do a translation by tomorrow morning.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: lana720, 9/30/2012 8:22:15 PM     (No. 8900952)

I wish I'd gotten on line an hour ago - we missed DVRing it.
Does anyone know if it will be rerun?
I can't believe the Mexican government hasn't pursued this harder against our government, but then they are the recipients of our money thru their relatives living here and lots of our tax dollars known as foreign aid. Their politicians are like ours, filthy (mostly).

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Reply 39 - Posted by: jimK1, 9/30/2012 8:40:37 PM     (No. 8900982)

I went nuts trying to get subtitles - nada and my Spanish is pathetic at best. Hope someone gets this translated.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: annie xango, 9/30/2012 8:48:14 PM     (No. 8900989)

I kept trying to find it on Time Warner cable.couldn't..and then could not get thru to TW on my local phone number. said they were experiencing a high number of calls and to call back later.but maybe it wasn't on there...?? frustrating.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: PLPointer67, 9/30/2012 10:13:02 PM     (No. 8901099)

There is a page at Univision that has some vidios of this. Don't know if this is what is airing tonight... However it is in Spanish. If many of us ask, perhaps they will subtitle it in English. The site is at:

http://noticias.univision.com/aqui-y-ahora/videos/video/2012-09-30/operacion-rapido-furioso-aqui-ahora-parte-1-masacre-salvarcar

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Reply 42 - Posted by: flatwater, 9/30/2012 11:23:02 PM     (No. 8901183)

The President and the Attorney General get hundreds of people murdered, and it's an "untold" story.

Romney should be hammering Wise King Barky on this.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: danu, 10/1/2012 12:48:33 AM     (No. 8901276)

Americans don't care?? Nooooooo.
The Administration adored by the media, as well as the Latino vote wranglers and Dem bosses don't care.
There's a difference.
We care alot and feel anguish for every life lost--and those that will be killed in the future by these psychos.

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