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US running mates
clash in debate

BBC News [UK], by Mark Mardell Original Article

Posted By: Attercliffe- 10/12/2012 3:46:23 AM Post Reply

This was a serious, substantive debate between two men who were well briefed and on their game. It also had a superb moderator, Martha Raddatz, holding the ring between them covering a range of subjects from taxation to Iran, from abortion to Afghanistan. Most politically committed people will claim their man won and the argument can be made both ways. Mr Biden won on points, perhaps, but his manner may have put off some undecided voters. He was stronger, more aggressive, more certain of his position--but chuckled, laughed, smiled, grinned at his opponent, in a way that was certainly condescending

The vice presidential debate was
Biden’s smile vs Ryan’s eyes.
The eyes may have it – just

Telegraph [UK], by Tim Stanley Original Article

Posted By: Attercliffe- 10/12/2012 3:38:14 AM Post Reply

The world would’ve forgiven Paul Ryan if he had thrown his glass of water over Joe Biden last night. Throughout the vice presidential debate, Biden was aggressive to the point of rude.[Snip] Personally, I thought the Vice President’s behaviour resembled the evening life cycle of an amiable drunk. He started out happy and smiling, turned argumentative in the middle, and closed with a rambling statement that suggested it was time for a power nap on a park bench. Ten minutes longer and he might have got his second wind, slung an arm around Ryan’s neck and started

Biden: 'We Did Not Know
They Wanted More Security'

Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper Original Article

Posted By: PLPointer67- 10/12/2012 3:27:44 AM Post Reply

In regards to security at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, Vice President Joe Biden says "we did not know they wanted more security": VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: “Because that’s exactly what we were told by the intelligence community – the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened, they changed their assessment. That is why there’s also an investigation headed by Tom Pickering, a leading diplomat from the Reagan years, who is doing an investigation as to

Ryan won vice presidential
debate, Biden succeeded,
say polls and pundits

Daily Caller, by Neil Munro Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 1:40:38 AM Post Reply

Most polls and media talking heads gave the advantage in the vice presidential debate to GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, but said that Vice President Joe Biden also won by reviving Democratic morale following the disastrous Oct. 3 presidential debate. A quick CNN poll of registered voters said 48 percent thought Ryan was the winner, while 44 percent thought Biden claimed the title. Sixty percent of CNN’s respondents said Ryan was presidential, and 53 percent said he was more likable. A CNBC poll said that 56 percent thought Ryan was the winner, while 36 declared Biden to be the

Blustering Biden, Serene Ryan
Exchange Barbs in
Fiery 90-Minute Debate

Townhall, by Guy Benson Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 1:36:33 AM Post Reply

It was crystal clear tonight that Vice President Biden was determined not to reprise the president's passive performance in Denver. In that, he succeeded. He also succeeded in interrupting his opponent constantly, repeatedly laughing at strange moments, and playing the 'loud anger' card frequently. Rep. Paul Ryan's serenity in the face of the Vice President's behavior was almost supernatural. On actual talking points, the two men battled to a draw. Ryan excelled on economic issues, gave a fabulous answer on abortion and closed strong. He also held his own on foreign policy. Biden scored on Afghanistan and by pointing out

A Battle of Intellects --
and Temperaments

Townhall, by Carol Platt Liebau Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 1:30:38 AM Post Reply

Everyone already knew Paul Ryan has a first-class intellect. Tonight, he proved that he has a first-class temperament, too. That's what was required to tolerate the histrionics trotted out by Joe Biden. Granted, everyone's always known Biden's got something quite a bit dimmer than a first-class intellect; tonight, he tried to compensate by bringing heat where he can't shed light. As a result, he was grinning, snorting, smirking, sighing, grimacing, interrupting -- and winding the whole thing up with a whine about Paul Ryan's time (when he himself had actually gotten more).

Bill Maher: "We Need
To Promote Death"

Real Clear Politics, by Ian Schwartz Original Article

Posted By: PChristopher- 10/12/2012 1:25:30 AM Post Reply

BILL MAHER: I have a lot of ideas that you might consider conservative. But, I feel like on [the death penalty], I’'m just consistent, like the Pope is consistent. The Pope is consistently pro-life. I am consistently pro-death. I am for the death penalty, although I do believe in more DNA testing. My motto is: Let’s Kill The Right People.

Cutter: I Didn't "Catch" the Exchange
When Joe Biden Lied About Libya

Townhall, by Katie Pavlich Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 1:23:37 AM Post Reply

Danville, Ky. - During the vice presidential debate tonight, when pressed about the lack of security at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi before the attack on 9/11,Vice President Joe Biden said, "We weren't told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there." Biden's statement is false. As I wrote earlier, documents, State Department cables and Congressional testimony just this week show more security for the consulate in Benghazi was requested as early as March 2012. All three also showed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens received death threats from Al Qaeda in July 2012. (Snip) After the

Ryan, Biden spar in lively
vice presidential debate

Los Angeles Times, by Michael Finnegan & Alana Semuels Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 1:17:18 AM Post Reply

Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin tangled over the Middle East, the economy, taxes and more in a scrappy back-and-forth Thursday night in their only debate. It was a remarkably lively exchange of scoffing, eye-rolling, smirking and mocking chuckles as the vice presidential rivals argued at a table (Snip) It started right at the top when Raddatz, a veteran foreign correspondent, asked Biden whether there had been a “massive intelligence failure” in the fatal assault last month on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi. “Whatever mistakes were made will not be made again,” Biden said

Biden Loses by a Smirk

American Spectator Magazine, by Jeffrey Lord Original Article

Posted By: Scottyboy- 10/12/2012 12:57:50 AM Post Reply

The other day Paul Kengor had a column about Joe Biden titled "Old Smirkin' Joe". Not for nothing the term "smirk." That smirk was everywhere tonight in the debate with Paul Ryan -- and one finds it impossible to believe that was anything but bad news for the Obama campaign. Not since the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon debate in which a pale Nixon, his shirt collar too big and his dark eyes darting around nervously on every black-and-white TV in America (as it was then) has a candidate had such a problem with his looks and mannerisms. Biden was Al Gore on steroids…

Biden Bombed

Weekly Standard, by Fred Barnes Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:45:21 AM Post Reply

You don’t win a nationally televised debate by being rude and obnoxious. You don’t win by interrupting your opponent time after time after time or by being a blowhard. You don’t win with facial expressions, especially smirks or fake laughs, or by pretending to be utterly exasperated with what your opponent is saying. That’s why Vice President Joe Biden didn’t win the one and only debate last night with his Republican rival, Mitt Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan. (Snip) There’s one person who should be delighted with Biden. That’s Al Gore. He had the honor of having delivered the most

Obama: 'Could Not Be
Prouder' of Joe Biden

Weekly Standard Magazine, by Daniel Halper Original Article

Posted By: Scottyboy- 10/12/2012 12:44:40 AM Post Reply

President Barack Obama says he "could not be prouder" of Vice President Joe Biden's debate performance. Via the pool report: As the president descended the stairs of Air Force One, your poolers en masse hollered to him to give his assessment of Biden's performance in the debate. The president came over to where your poolers were standing. "I'm going to make a special point of saying that I thought Joe Biden was terrific tonight. I could not be prouder of him. I thought he made a very strong case.."

Biden accused of being
disrespectful in vice presidential
debate with grins, laughs

Fox News, by Staff Original Article

Posted By: PLPointer67- 10/12/2012 12:43:25 AM Post Reply

Vice President Biden was aggressive in taking on Paul Ryan in their debate Thursday in a way President Obama wasn't last week against Mitt Romney, but Biden's smile may have stolen some of his thunder. The vice president, especially toward the beginning of the debate in Kentucky, could be seen grinning and laughing -- some have said smirking -- during Ryan's answers, as he prepared to dismiss Ryan's points as "impossible" and "malarkey." After the debate Republicans were quick to pounce on

Before a Wave of Meningitis,
Shots Were Tied to Risks

New York Times, by Andrew Pollack Original Article

Posted By: woofwoofwoof- 10/12/2012 12:42:02 AM Post Reply

Perry D. Clark says that a steroid injected near his spine to relieve persistent back pain instead left him “way, way worse.” Twelve years later, he still suffers from continuous stinging in his legs and feet and occasional bursts of excruciating pain. ... The outbreak of fungal meningitis that has killed 14 people and sickened 156 more has focused attention on the risk of infection from spinal injections. But the same injections have also long been linked to other rare but devastating complications, including nerve damage, paralysis and strokes. The Food and Drug Administration is already reviewing how to reduce

Martha Raddatz’s Approach
Should Be The Standard For
Future Debate Moderators

Mediaite, by Josh Feldman Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:40:59 AM Post Reply

Jim Lehrer tried to defend his performance moderating last week’s presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney by saying he wanted to “facilitate direct, extended exchanges between the candidates about issues of substance” and he wanted to make sure he was “stay[ing] out of the way of the flow.” But what tonight’s debate definitively proved is that a good exchange of ideas does not require the moderator to stay above the fray. Martha Raddatz not only asked better questions of the two candidates, but she asserted enough control so that the candidates did not go too far over their

RNC to DOJ: Investigate Obama
Campaign Contributions

Breitbart's Big Government, by John Nolte Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:37:01 AM Post Reply

Republican National Committee (RNC) Chair Reince Priebus fired off a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder today calling for an investigation into hundreds of millions of dollars in undisclosed Obama campaign contributions. In part, the letter reads:"[T]he President's campaign committee does not use the industry standard practices to guard against receiving fraudulent or excessive contributions via the internet," Priebus alleges in the letter. "As a result, the President's campaign committee is vulnerable to the receipt of prohibited contributions. Their failure to adhere to the industry standard has caused these questions regarding whether the campaign is deliberately inviting prohibited contributions."

Krauthammer: Biden’s ‘disrespectful,’
‘hugely condescending’ demeanor
undid potential debate win

Daily Caller, by Jeff Poor Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:29:16 AM Post Reply

Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer said after Thursday night’s debate that Vice President Joe Biden’s demeanor cost him a potential debate win over Republican Rep. Paul Ryan. “If you read the transcript, I think it’s dead even,” Krauthammer said. ”If you heard it on radio, Biden won. If you watched on television, he lost. In the transcript, if you just look at the raw arguments I think it was even because each side had points to make and made them. I think on balance, not one side was stronger than another.” (Snip) “He did a lot of interrupting as well.

Sports bar Biden vs. seminar Ryan

CNN, by Timothy Stanley Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:20:22 AM Post Reply

This was a strange debate, even an ugly one. The two men looked like they were taking part in separate discussions. Ryan was speaking in the economics seminar at some obscure think tank. Biden was shouting answers in the middle of a loud sports bar. The tone was so uneven that the candidates seemed to find each other's presence a nuisance -- Biden laughed his way through Ryan's answers and Ryan was often visibly irritated. The most surreal moment was when Biden picked a fight with the moderator, Martha Raddatz, about the Afghanistan War. We've never seen him this pugnacious.

Biden bites back! Smirking,
finger-jabbing Joe delights
Democrats as he lays into
nice guy Paul Ryan in big
debate...but will it help
Obama's flagging campaign?

Daily Mail (UK), by Toby Harnden & Hugo Gye Original Article

Posted By: JoniTx- 10/12/2012 12:10:08 AM Post Reply

A finger-jabbing Joe Biden assailed Paul Ryan tonight in a high-octane vice-presidential debate that will delight Democrats after President Barack Obama's poor showdown with Mitt Romney. But the restrained, reasoned and mature performance of his much-younger rival during the often brutal 90-minute confrontation limited any clear claims of victory for Biden and the Obama campaign. The big question in the next few days will be whether Biden's energetic display will be enough to turn around the Obama campaign, which has been struggling ever since last week's limp performance in Denver. While Biden’s animated demeanour, punctuated with

Obama: 'could not be
prouder' of Biden debate

CNN, by Staff Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:08:18 AM Post Reply

President Barack Obama called Vice President Joe Biden shortly after Thursday's vice presidential debate, and told reporters that he "could not be prouder" of his running mate. "I'm going to make a special point of saying I thought Joe Biden was terrific," he told reporters after Air Force One landed near Washington. "I could not be prouder of him. I thought he made a very strong case. And you know I really think that his passion for making sure that the economy grows for the middle class came through so I'm really proud of him."

Romney calls Ryan with
congratulations after debate

CNN, by Staff Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:06:48 AM Post Reply

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney called his running mate to congratulate him following Thursday's vice presidential debate, a campaign spokesman said. Romney campaign traveling press secretary Rick Gorka told reporters that Romney called Rep. Paul Ryan approximately 10 minutes after the debate concluded to offer his congratulations. While the candidates debated in Kentucky, Romney was campaigning in Asheville, North Carolina

RNC: Biden interrupted
Ryan 82 times

Washington Examiner [DC], by Joel Gehrke Original Article

Posted By: JoniTx- 10/12/2012 12:04:24 AM Post Reply

Vice President Joe Biden interrupted Paul Ryan 82 times in a 90-minute debate with rival Paul Ryan, while CNN reported that women preferred Ryan. “FACT: Final Count: Biden interrupted 82 times during the entire debate,” the RNC’s Joe Pounder tweeted after the debate. CNN’s Gloria Berger said that she would have liked Biden to show less “condescension” and “eye-rolling.” Even MSNBC’s Chris Matthews — who thought that Biden won the debate — said that Biden “was openly contemptuous and disrespectful”
Staff has corrected text.

Poll: By Wide Margin, Democrats
Want Biden in All Remaining Debates

New Yorker Magazine, by Andy Borowitz Original Article

Posted By: NorthernDog- 10/12/2012 12:02:41 AM Post Reply

DANVILLE, KY — In a poll of Democratic voters taken immediately following Thursday night’s Vice-Presidential debate, a wide majority said they wanted Vice-President Joe Biden to appear in all remaining 2012 debates. According to the constitutional scholar Davis Logsdon, of the University of Minnesota, the scenario of Mr. Biden appearing in all the remaining debates, while surely unorthodox, is within the realm of possibility: “According to the Constitution, the Vice-President steps in when the President is unable to fulfill his duties. Based on the first debate, that seems to be the case.” Mr. Biden got off to a strong start

Poll: Biden takes debate
over Ryan, uncommitted
voters say

CBS News, by Staff* Original Article

Posted By: BuckeyeRon- 10/12/2012 12:02:34 AM Post Reply

Fifty percent of uncommitted voters who tuned into Thursday night's vice presidential debate in Danville, Ky., said they see Vice President Joe Biden as the winner over Mitt Romney's GOP running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., according to an instant poll taken by CBS News. Of the 431 polled immediately following the debate, 31 percent deemed Ryan the winner, and 19 percent said they felt it was a tie. Party-wise it's a switch from last week's presidential debate, which uncommitted voters handed easily to Romney over President Obama. Both Biden and Ryan gained ground on relatability and knowledge.

Ryan pokes fun at Biden's gaffes
while defending Romney

The Hill [Washington, DC], by Daniel Strauss Original Article

Posted By: Photoonist- 10/12/2012 12:02:16 AM Post Reply

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) poked fun at Vice President Biden's propensity for making gaffes during Thursday night's debate in Danville, Ky. Ryan made the dig after Biden went after Mitt Romney's comment during a fundraiser that 47 percent of the country would never vote for him or take responsibility for their lives. "Mitt Romney's a good man. He cares about 100 percent in this country, and with respect to that quote, I think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way," Ryan said to laughter in the debate hall.

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